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Anyone look at/calibrate technicolor mode yet or compare it to isf modes?


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They basically look the same. Need the similar adjustment in the same levels of IRE. But I’m not a professional so I’m interested as well.

You can set all the basic setting the same for each mode and switch back and forth and leave with the thought I’ll never get that time back lol.

I’ve ran though the greyscale and CMS and the pictures are very similar. I bet you could switch a picture mode on someone and they wouldn’t know the difference.


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I tried researching and it basically sounds like Technicolor option is suppose to be a finer tuned color setting graded by Technicolor studios. But agreed. They look nearly identical to isf


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Anyone look at/calibrate technicolor mode yet or compare it to isf modes?


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WB is the same as ISF before calibration , colour is the same as isf with colour control on 53 on isf
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Is there an optimal black level override I should set? D-Nice mentions 0.0001fL is close to the recommended setting on the first page of this thread. In another thread (for 2016 OLEDs) Chad B gave a recommendation for 0.001fL (0.0034 cd/m2). Should there be different values for different gamma targets?
The 2016's don't come out of black very well and this was a trick to help them show more detail.
AFAIK the 2017s don't require this tweak. Set black level to 0.

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The 2016's don't come out of black very well and this was a trick to help them show more detail.
AFAIK the 2017s don't require this tweak. Set black level to 0.

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That makes sense. However, if I set black to 0, BT.1886 is the same as gamma at 2.4. If I enter a higher value, the calibration software creates a curve. I wonder if there is a recommended value for the 2017 screens, but I guess it all comes down to preference at that point.
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anyone using the calibration from ratings and then using a disk to tweak it further from there? Are you seeing a lot of changes?

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anyone using the calibration from ratings and then using a disk to tweak it further from there? Are you seeing a lot of changes?


What model do you have? If you don’t have the gear I’d just use the out of the box settings. The tvs are pretty good out the box. I’d choose a gamma you like best and then you’ll be good to go.

Personally I prefer bt.1886 (I’m sure 2.4 would be about the same) for satellite and 2.2 for higher quality sources.


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Is there a comprehensive post that describes the features for Motion Settings?

LG OLED65C7.

Based on my Panel I keep switching between the following:
1. Clear [some Motion artifacts are introduced, but my eyes are more relaxed]
2. User: De-Judder 4 / De-Blur 0 [some Motion artifacts are introduced, but my eyes are more relaxed]
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What model do you have? If you don’t have the gear I’d just use the out of the box settings. The tvs are pretty good out the box. I’d choose a gamma you like best and then you’ll be good to go.

Personally I prefer bt.1886 (I’m sure 2.4 would be about the same) for satellite and 2.2 for higher quality sources.


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I have the 65" LG C7...you are right it is not bad out of the box. Currently i'm 2.2 and am on satellite. I bought the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark disk, just havent popped it in and was wondering if it provides a good before and after.

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I have the 65" LG C7...you are right it is not bad out of the box. Currently i'm 2.2 and am on satellite. I bought the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark disk, just havent popped it in and was wondering if it provides a good before and after.

Just the basics. In the advanced menus it only has 11 point greyscale so you’d need another source to do a 21 point.



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Is there a comprehensive post that describes the features for Motion Settings?



LG OLED65C7.



Based on my Panel I keep switching between the following:

1. Clear [some Motion artifacts are introduced, but my eyes are more relaxed]

2. User: De-Judder 4 / De-Blur 0 [some Motion artifacts are introduced, but my eyes are more relaxed]


I know there is one for the 2016’s and haven’t looked for the 2017 thread but this particular topic seems to be user dependent. I turn mine off. While it doesn’t resolve every show 100% it’s best for me so I don’t have to keep messing with the settings.


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Not sure if I missed it or not but for HDR10 calibration what are the best slides to run the 2pt calibration? Is it the same concept as rev.709 where you use 5/100 but using the 2017 coded slides from Ryan?

Also is there a best one and done nit level to calibrate too since LG gives 540/1000/4000 values?

Would rather have one I don’t know where to get the nit level that each movie is graded to.


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Hello Everybody,
after weeks of consolidating the recommended settings from Rtings.com, this own Community, A/B testing and direct Calibration for my 55B7V, I'd like to share the setup I've finally settled with.

This setup is specifically optimized for Gaming and Media Consumption both for SDR and HDR Modes (Xbox One/S/X - WebOS, but should also work for PS4/Pro and PC Gaming):



> Xbox One/S and/or SDR Mode (Fall Creators Update Dashboard OS and above)
INPUT
HDMI1 Input Mode: GAME CONSOLE

GENERAL
HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Color: ON

PICTURE
Picture Mode: GAME (USER)
Energy Saving: OFF
OLED Light: 60
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 51
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temperature: W45

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Dynamic Color: OFF
Super Resolution: OFF
Color Gamut: WIDE*
Color Filter: OFF
Gamma: MEDIUM

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction: OFF*
MPEG Noise Reduction: OFF*
Black Level: LOW
Motion Eye Care: OFF

OLED PANEL SETTINGS
Screen Shift: ON

XBOX ONE/S - CONSOLE SETTINGS:

VIDEO OUTPUT
TV Resolution: 1080p/4K
TV Connection: AUTO-DETECT
Color Depth: 10-BIT
Color Space: Standard (Recommended)
Advanced settings: ALLOW 50HZ/24HZ
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> Xbox One S/X and/or HDR Mode (Fall Creators Update Dashboard OS and above)

INPUT
HDMI1 Input Mode: GAME CONSOLE

GENERAL
HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Color: ON

PICTURE
HDR Picture Mode: GAME (USER)
Energy Saving: OFF
OLED Light: 100
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 0
Color: 55
Tint: 0
Color Temperature: W45

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: LOW
Dynamic Color: OFF
Super Resolution: OFF
Color Gamut: AUTO
Color Filter: OFF
Gamma: MEDIUM*

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction: OFF*
MPEG Noise Reduction: OFF*
Black Level: LOW
Motion Eye Care: OFF

OLED PANEL SETTINGS
Screen Shift: ON

XBOX ONE S/X - CONSOLE SETTINGS:

VIDEO OUTPUT
TV Resolution: 1080p/4K
TV Connection: AUTO-DETECT
Color Depth: 10-BIT
Color Space: Standard (Recommended)
Advanced settings: ALLOW 50HZ/24HZ/HDR/4K

*Not editable in Game Mode
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Give it a spin if you want, and let me know how it looks also for you

Cheers,
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EDIT1: Minor adjustments
EDIT2: After official release of Fall Creators Update for Xbox One, Picture Quality has changed, so settings were slightly re-calibrated!
EDIT3: Re-adjusted Color Temperature to match the default "Warm2" reference of ISF Dark Room preset.
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When calibrating HDR is the a menu on the LG where you can tell it what nit level you want to calibrate to? I am using Ryan's slides and they don't seem to numerically line up with the code values in the WB menu.

Also when adjusting the Luminance in the CMS is there a rule of thumb guideline as to how much luminance you can and can't add? When I looked at the CMS the luminace errors where quite high. I added luminance and the overall errors went down as well as the saturation errors. This seemed to pick up more detail between color transitions especially in greens and yellows and reds mainly in that order.

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Hi guys

My C7 does not have the screen dimming feature as my 930,950,c6 or e6 did when a still image was on screen for a prelonged period of time .
Tpc is on in the S/M but still if I leave sky q on pause for 30 mins nothing happens at all no screen saver or dimming happens to stop screen burn .
I just call LG about this and they said 2017 sets do not do this and it?s down to the connected devices to do so .
This is with any HDMI sources app are ok as the screen saver kicks in .
Are you finding the same thing ?
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Following the 4.7 firmware update I have noticed significant improvement to Motion Handling on my LG OLED65C7.

I was close to getting it exchanged, but the improvement is very obvious and I realise now that previous Motion was awful in comparison.
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HDR-10 NOTE: In order to make settings changes to HDR,

HDR Picture Mode: Cinema (User)

Customize

OLED LIGHT: 100

Contrast: 100

Brightness: 50

Sharpness: 0

Color: 60

Tint: 0



EXPERT CONTROLS

Dynamic Contrast: Low

Super Resolution: Off

Color Gamut: Wide

Color Filter: Off

Gamma: 2.2



WHITE BALANCE

Color Temperature: Warm2

NO CHANGES TO ANY SETTINGS



COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM

RED - Sat: 27, Tint: -2, Lum: 28

GREEN - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0

BLUE - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0

CYAN - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0

MAGENTA - Sat: 4, Tint: 12, Lum: 0

YELLOW - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0

For HDR10 I didn’t have any luck adjusting saturation and tint to reduce the CMS errors and x-y location on the gamut. The only thing that lowered the errors on the gamut boundary and the saturation sweeps on my end was adjusting the luminance. With this I was able to gain more detail in greens, yellows, and reds. The other colors it was hard to see any significant difference.



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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) [ however from several things I’ve read, these should work well with any “X”7 model ]
FW: 04.70.07

For those who are not familiar with me in the LG OLED threads, I have done something similar in the 2016 Vizio M series thread. To that extent, these are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

NOTES: This TV was a dream to calibrate. I thought that the Vizio M series ( M70-D3 ) was an accurate and consistent responder until I had the pleasure to work with this set. As with all calibrations, getting the 2 point white balance as close to perfect meant that the 20 point needed no adjustments. ( Screenshots attached if you don’t believe me. )
An almost perfect 2 point white balance and reference white also paved the way for super accurate colors and smooth tracking through each of the color percentage reference points.
You should enjoy superb looking natural flesh tones and a nice color contrast and pop even with SDR content. Black levels are also excellent which one should expect from an OLED. I have read some post where there were complaints regarding grey backgrounds in letterbox images. This should not be an issue with these settings. HDR-10 is spectacular without any of the color or luminance exaggerations.

For those of you who like to try these settings out, I would appreciate feedback - good or bad. Personally, I am loving them. I’m posting this in both the calibration thread and the owners thread ( https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post55037420 ). If I make any modifications they will be done within the same posts so this will become a living post - so to speak. I will also supply a link in my signature.

Here we go and enjoy!

START WITH the: “ISF Expert (Dark Room)” Picture Mode
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 40 ( SDR ) 100 ( HDR-10, DV )
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
H Sharpness: 0
V Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0

SDR
EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low ( Personal preference - set to what you like )
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
Edge Enhancer: Off
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: -3, G: -2, B: -4
Low - R: -3, G: -3, B: -1

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED - Sat: -12, Tint: 8, Lum: -4
GREEN - Sat: -7, Tint: -30, Lum: -1
BLUE - Sat: -3, Tint: 9, Lum: -1
CYAN - Sat: -11, Tint: 5, Lum: 0
MAGENTA - Sat: -3, Tint: -7, Lum: 0
YELLOW - Sat: -6, Tint: -6, Lum: 1

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: User - De-Judder: 0, De-Blur: 10 ( Personal preference - set to what you like )

HDR-10 NOTE: In order to make settings changes to HDR, you need to be playing HDR content.
HDR Picture Mode: Cinema (User)
Customize
OLED LIGHT: 100
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 0
Color: 60
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
NO CHANGES TO ANY SETTINGS

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED - Sat: 27, Tint: -2, Lum: 28
GREEN - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0
BLUE - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0
CYAN - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0
MAGENTA - Sat: 4, Tint: 12, Lum: 0
YELLOW - Sat: 0, Tint: 0, Lum: 0
Your CMS adjustments, especially for saturation are way too much. Best leaving them at default for HDR and just tweak a little, if necessary for SDR. If you have to move any control say 27 for example like you did, it means the control isn't working and is just going to create artifacts. Saturation should only be adjusted +-2 ish.

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Your CMS adjustments, especially for saturation are way too much. Best leaving them at default for HDR and just tweak a little, if necessary for SDR. If you have to move any control say 27 for example like you did, it means the control isn't working and is just going to create artifacts. Saturation should only be adjusted +-2 ish.
With LCD panels, if I adjust the Luminance with certain primary colors ( red or green ), it will introduce block noise with certain shades of yellow or green. And that's just when making a small + or - 1 adjustment. Are you saying that with an OLED, making any Saturation adjustments greater than + or - 2 will introduce artifacts? How do you get the saturation sweeps to play nice and therefore get a great color checker result if you can't change saturation? Without adjusting the Red saturation, I get an orangish red at 100%. Shouldn't really matter at that level since most content will never put out a 100% red shade, but the scans now indicate really good color accuracy.

With the CMS in HDR, Red was the only color that was giving me fits. You may notice that I have most of the colors zeroed out. I haven't noticed any artifacts at this point, but I will certainly keep my eyes pealed. This is my first OLED, so I'm open to suggestions and pointers. Thank you for your feedback.

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@jrref ,

For the HDR10 CMS how do you adjust the chomaticity errors for each primary and secondary colors (in particular the green and blue). Is this accomplished with the tint and saturation adjustments? It seems only the red chromaticity error for each primary and secondary color is adjusted by tweaking the luminance.

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FW: 04.70.07

For those who are not familiar with me in the LG OLED threads, I have done something similar in the 2016 Vizio M series thread. To that extent, these are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

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An almost perfect 2 point white balance and reference white also paved the way for super accurate colors and smooth tracking through each of the color percentage reference points.
You should enjoy superb looking natural flesh tones and a nice color contrast and pop even with SDR content. Black levels are also excellent which one should expect from an OLED. I have read some post where there were complaints regarding grey backgrounds in letterbox images. This should not be an issue with these settings. HDR-10 is spectacular without any of the color or luminance exaggerations.

For those of you who like to try these settings out, I would appreciate feedback - good or bad. Personally, I am loving them. I’m posting this in both the calibration thread and the owners thread ( https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post55037420 ). If I make any modifications they will be done within the same posts so this will become a living post - so to speak. I will also supply a link in my signature.

Here we go and enjoy!
Did you create a meter profile using a spectrophotometer?
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Red/Magenta in HDR is "broken" and it's been like that since the sets first came out. It was reported to LG but nothing has been done. For that reason alone, it's best to leave the HDR CMS at default. You can make some adjustments but it's debatable if it's really worth it given the risk of artifacts with some content. As far as the luminance errors, that's a characteristic of these OLEDs.

FYI, at the shootout, the HDR CMS was left at default on the LG and to the eye, it won as best match to the reference monitor.

Now I will say that on the 2016 LGs, you could adjust the CMS slightly to align it a little better but something changed on the 2017 sets.
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Did you create a meter profile using a spectrophotometer?
If I had one of those in my back pocket, I'd also have a Klein for a meter. lol

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Red/Magenta in HDR is "broken" and it's been like that since the sets first came out. It was reported to LG but nothing has been done. For that reason alone, it's best to leave the HDR CMS at default. You can make some adjustments but it's debatable if it's really worth it given the risk of artifacts with some content. As far as the luminance errors, that's a characteristic of these OLEDs.

FYI, at the shootout, the HDR CMS was left at default on the LG and to the eye, it won as best match to the reference monitor.

Now I will say that on the 2016 LGs, you could adjust the CMS slightly to align it a little better but something changed on the 2017 sets.
Thank you for the excellent explanation. I now have a better understanding with the why/how on these beasts. The errors were more saturation based than luminance, but HDR is still a moving target, so I thought I would give it a spin, and the graphs look good - but I definitely understand how artifacts seem to appear when you least expect them to. lol

For SDR, I'm pretty pleased with the results, and the adjustments are relatively minor. I'll reset the HDR CMS back to zero and go from there. I just don't dig that red looks a little too hot.
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Following the 4.7 firmware update I have noticed significant improvement to Motion Handling on my LG OLED65C7.

I was close to getting it exchanged, but the improvement is very obvious and I realise now that previous Motion was awful in comparison.
What source and what motion settings do you select?

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Following the 4.7 firmware update I have noticed significant improvement to Motion Handling on my LG OLED65C7.

I was close to getting it exchanged, but the improvement is very obvious and I realise now that previous Motion was awful in comparison.
I agree
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^I've run a few suspect scenes and think I agree. I see less artifacts.
This is actually quite a revelation
They are still there but seem to be less intrusive. I have not adjusted my motion settings lower (or higher) to experience positive or negative changes yet.
Dejudder 2, DeBlur 10 has been my preferred previous config for all sources, including 24p.

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Did you do any calibration with Dolby Vision--is it different than HDR 10?
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What source and what motion settings do you select?
I use very different Motion settings on my current LG OLED65C7 compared to the previous model which I exchanged due to banding.



I now use De-Judder 4 and De-blur 0.
By keeping De-blur to 0 it minimizes artifacts which occur as De-Judder is on 4.



My previous set was fine on De-judder 1 or 2 and De-blur i kept changing.
This set had much better Motion handling for some reason.



PS. Prior to 4.7 firmware i had to use Clear settings on my current model otherwise my eyes were strained.
It was like spinning around on the spot for 3 minutes and then trying to focus on a a rotating fan - mad.

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Did you do any calibration with Dolby Vision--is it different than HDR 10?
I have not attempted HDR or DV calibration yet, although I have bought a HDFury.

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