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Hello all tech savvy you,

I am interested in getting a 65C8 or 55C8 and I'm quite sensitive to oversaturated colours. I'm a pro photographer so I am used to tweak images to my liking. In photo editing software like Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop I get massive control over my picture settings. I can get from b/w to oversaturated and all in between.

My question is: can I tweak a C8 to my liking like an image in photoshop? Do I get similar controls like saturation or even saturation per colour channel?

The reason I ask is that I have seen the C7 and C8 panels a couple of times and every time I found the image very saturated, the reds in particular. I mean to the point that it can't be real. I watched a concert scene containing a lady singer in a red dress. No way that dress could have been so red.

Basically I would like to turn down the saturation to realistic values.

Is that possible? I'm not asking how, I'm asking if.

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You can, if you use LightSpace and DeviceControl for LG calibration, and use the LUT Image capability of LightSpace.
See: https://www.lightillusion.com/lut_image.html

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You can, if you use LightSpace and DeviceControl for LG calibration, and use the LUT Image capability of LightSpace.
See: https://www.lightillusion.com/lut_image.html

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Thank you Steve for you info and link. Just to be sure: what settings can I control out of the box? I mean without additional equipment or software?

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You can, if you use LightSpace and DeviceControl for LG calibration, and use the LUT Image capability of LightSpace.
See: https://www.lightillusion.com/lut_image.html

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Thank you Steve for you info and link. Just to be sure: what settings can I control out of the box? I mean without additional equipment or software?

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You can adjust the colors with the TV's color management system. And yeah, red is oversaturated at default. So is green
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You can, if you use LightSpace and DeviceControl for LG calibration, and use the LUT Image capability of LightSpace.
See: https://www.lightillusion.com/lut_image.html

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Trying to sell software is one thing, but it's entirely another thing to make someone feel like they need it to make basic adjustments.
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Hello all tech savvy you,



I am interested in getting a 65C8 or 55C8 and I'm quite sensitive to oversaturated colours. I'm a pro photographer so I am used to tweak images to my liking. In photo editing software like Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop I get massive control over my picture settings. I can get from b/w to oversaturated and all in between.



My question is: can I tweak a C8 to my liking like an image in photoshop? Do I get similar controls like saturation or even saturation per colour channel?



The reason I ask is that I have seen the C7 and C8 panels a couple of times and every time I found the image very saturated, the reds in particular. I mean to the point that it can't be real. I watched a concert scene containing a lady singer in a red dress. No way that dress could have been so red.



Basically I would like to turn down the saturation to realistic values.



Is that possible? I'm not asking how, I'm asking if.



Thanks!


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I want to point out to this group that not everybody has autocal, and some want to calibrate their TV's the old fashioned way. Autocal is nice, but it's not the end all be all like some of you make it out to be. The sense of elitism stinks on this page. I was going to share my settings (which I spent 10+ hours dialing in for SDR and HDR), but someone will inevitably say its not accurate because I didn't use their software of choice. We should all encourage calibration, regardless of how it's accomplished; We should not be pushing a product that adds a ton of expense(videoforge, calman/lightspace license) to our already expensive purchase, or talking down to those that don't have said product. Just my two cents worth.
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Trying to sell software is one thing, but it's entirely another thing to make someone feel like they need it to make basic adjustments.
What?
I answered the question - exactly.
Using Photoshop to make changes.
Not just using the basic TV controls - as that is what was asked, was it not?

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Thank you Steve for you info and link. Just to be sure: what settings can I control out of the box? I mean without additional equipment or software?

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Ah - if you just want to adjust the TV settings, you can indeed just do that with the TV's in-built controls.
It was the reference to using Photoshop I was responding to.
But, it does look like the way I read the original question was incorrect.

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I want to point out to this group that not everybody has autocal, and some want to calibrate their TV's the old fashioned way. Autocal is nice, but it's not the end all be all like some of you make it out to be. The sense of elitism stinks on this page. I was going to share my settings (which I spent 10+ hours dialing in for SDR and HDR), but someone will inevitably say its not accurate because I didn't use their software of choice. We should all encourage calibration, regardless of how it's accomplished; We should not be pushing a product that adds a ton of expense(videoforge, calman/lightspace license) to our already expensive purchase, or talking down to those that don't have said product. Just my two cents worth.
This is not for argument, just clarification. When you say old fashioned way, how long back do you go. I can see your point on expensive license(I do own Lightspace, to be clear) but do you also feel the same way about someone making adjustment to the picture by making sure colors look " right" vs someone having an actual instrument to measure the color, and make sure it is right?

Generally speaking, people with an instrument feel that the other method by just making sure the colors look right(or, for that matter using a blue and other colored filters) is not as good( I wouldn't call it talking down).
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This is not for argument, just clarification. When you say old fashioned way, how long back do you go. I can see your point on expensive license(I do own Lightspace, to be clear) but do you also feel the same way about someone making adjustment to the picture by making sure colors look " right" vs someone having an actual instrument to measure the color, and make sure it is right?

Generally speaking, people with an instrument feel that the other method by just making sure the colors look right(or, for that matter using a blue and other colored filters) is not as good( I wouldn't call it talking down).
Indeed. Do you "guess" by eye, or do you measure accurately with an instrument. Same question whether you're adjusting a TV, or cutting up wood to make some shelves, or putting the shelves up to be exactly horizontal.

Another way of asking the same thing - if you had to put all these pictures up and they had to look perfect, which is the best way to do it?
  • With a spirit level, or
  • Without a spirit level?



How do you react to the person who insists that it's "just as good" to try without a spirit level? How is it possible to explain to them they are wasting their time, without offending them? Is the person who tries without the spirit level silly, or deluded; or just having harmless fun?

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I want to point out to this group that not everybody has autocal, and some want to calibrate their TV's the old fashioned way. Autocal is nice, but it's not the end all be all like some of you make it out to be. The sense of elitism stinks on this page. I was going to share my settings (which I spent 10+ hours dialing in for SDR and HDR), but someone will inevitably say its not accurate because I didn't use their software of choice. We should all encourage calibration, regardless of how it's accomplished; We should not be pushing a product that adds a ton of expense(videoforge, calman/lightspace license) to our already expensive purchase, or talking down to those that don't have said product. Just my two cents worth.


Either party that happen to be behind calibration software don't attack people on here for whatever calibration method they choose, they are offering options to people that ask questions. Many use hcfr because it's free. Most others in this particular thread have either calman or lightspace or both.

Heck I use to criticize a guy on YouTube quantum apotheosis because he would literally post a video every few days about the "perfect calibration" for his Sony mid range tv. All he ever did was tweak main user settings brightness, contrast, color and then some extra options like dynamic contrast and such...but it would tick me
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I want to point out to this group that not everybody has autocal, and some want to calibrate their TV's the old fashioned way. Autocal is nice, but it's not the end all be all like some of you make it out to be. The sense of elitism stinks on this page. I was going to share my settings (which I spent 10+ hours dialing in for SDR and HDR), but someone will inevitably say its not accurate because I didn't use their software of choice. We should all encourage calibration, regardless of how it's accomplished; We should not be pushing a product that adds a ton of expense(videoforge, calman/lightspace license) to our already expensive purchase, or talking down to those that don't have said product. Just my two cents worth.
This is not for argument, just clarification. When you say old fashioned way, how long back do you go. I can see your point on expensive license(I do own Lightspace, to be clear) but do you also feel the same way about someone making adjustment to the picture by making sure colors look " right" vs someone having an actual instrument to measure the color, and make sure it is right?

Generally speaking, people with an instrument feel that the other method by just making sure the colors look right(or, for that matter using a blue and other colored filters) is not as good( I wouldn't call it talking down).
Obviously I was talking about using a meter and the TV's internal calibration settings. It was in my first sentence. Don't over think it...

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My reaction was mostly based on Steve and another guy saying you needed Lightspace or Calman to reduce the oversaturation of red. That's a complete fallacy. You can get amazing results if you have HCFR and a good spectro/colorimeter. I posted my results a few days back and was immediately discredited because I didn't use Autocal. Apparently your shouldn't touch the code values in HDR mode. I was told to only use the 2 point calibration...yeah right. If you don't know what you're doing then that's probably a good idea. The attitude that you have to use autocal to get good results is pretentious and condescending... IMO
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Would anybody like settings that don't require you to load a 3d lut file onto your TV?
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Thank you all for your replies! As I do calibrate my photo gear (dSLR bodies) by shooting a color chart and using the colour profile in photoshop I have an inkling of a future desire to calibrate my TV.
However as a father of 3 with a crazy weekly schedule including work and household tasks, I may not have enough time shortly to master the TV calibration methods, so my preliminary objective is to dial in a set of realistic color settings.

The basic settings used in the TV stores appear to boast demo videos with massive brightness, contrast and colour saturation apparently to lure customers into buying the units. After reading so many praise for the LG OLED panels in online reviews I was convinced I wanted one, but once inside the TV store, to be honest these horrifying image settings had the opposite effect on me: they scared me off and blew me out of the TV store.

Hence my question here.
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My reaction was mostly based on Steve and another guy saying you needed Lightspace or Calman to reduce the oversaturation of red. That's a complete fallacy. You can get amazing results if you have HCFR and a good spectro/colorimeter. I posted my results a few days back and was immediately discredited because I didn't use Autocal. Apparently your shouldn't touch the code values in HDR mode. I was told to only use the 2 point calibration...yeah right. If you don't know what you're doing then that's probably a good idea. The attitude that you have to use autocal to get good results is pretentious and condescending... IMO


I don’t know what your problem is but we were all getting along fine here till you started posting . The “guy” giving you tips is a professional calibrator and he is the farthest thing from condescending , he has helped me many times here and over the phone . As far as your “magic” settings , settings don’t transfer from set to set and that’s really not what this thread is about . If you would open your mind you might actually learn something here . You are the one that is arrogant displayed many times in the C8 thread .




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@WiFi-Spy with the newer lg cal home, there is now a workflow page that allows manipulation of contrast/brightness/oled light after the lut screen. Doesn't the lg still need to be in bypass to run the lut? Speaking for a 2018 c8. Does the 2019 not require cr85br50?


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I can’t say that I’m new to calibration but I’m not expert. From my home user perspective it is quite annoying that we don’t really have alternative. I know you going to say. We have Calman for 149 we have HCFR that is free and we have LightSpace. Then I read all the comments I get upset to say the least. Some say that Calman is not accurate use LightSpace because it is better but it cost whopping 380 ( plus vat?) pounds for home license. What I’m annoyed is that api of LG Oled is locked and I can ether buy software that is 149 us( not accurate? )or other that is 380 or do manual free calibration (not sure if it is worth) because 2 companies have some sort privileges to access lg tv. My message is for us home users we want to have something that’s is reliable yet doesn’t ruin our budget and try 3dlut. Or maybe I’m overreacting and all that fuss about 3dlut is not worth for home use.
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I can’t say that I’m new to calibration but I’m not expert. From my home user perspective it is quite annoying that we don’t really have alternative. I know you going to say. We have Calman for 149 we have HCFR that is free and we have LightSpace. Then I read all the comments I get upset to say the least. Some say that Calman is not accurate use LightSpace because it is better but it cost whopping 380 ( plus vat?) pounds for home license. What I’m annoyed is that api of LG Oled is locked and I can ether buy software that is 149 us( not accurate? )or other that is 380 or do manual free calibration (not sure if it is worth) because 2 companies have some sort privileges to access lg tv. My message is for us home users we want to have something that’s is reliable yet doesn’t ruin our budget and try 3dlut. Or maybe I’m overreacting and all that fuss about 3dlut is not worth for home use.


CalMAN is the only official LG supported calibration software for direct access to the 3D LUTs inside the TV. LightSpace has worked with a developer to reverse engineer CalMAN’s integration. Which I have said before is not guaranteed to work forever.

You can get a perfectly good calibration without a 3D LUT. These TVs are used in professional settings in Hollywood that is why LG has given access to the internal 3D LUTs. That way people don’t have to use external 3D LUT boxes To get that extra bit of accuracy needed when using these TVs as a professional monitor or client viewing monitor.
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I can’t say that I’m new to calibration but I’m not expert. From my home user perspective it is quite annoying that we don’t really have alternative. I know you going to say. We have Calman for 149 we have HCFR that is free and we have LightSpace. Then I read all the comments I get upset to say the least. Some say that Calman is not accurate use LightSpace because it is better but it cost whopping 380 ( plus vat?) pounds for home license. What I’m annoyed is that api of LG Oled is locked and I can ether buy software that is 149 us( not accurate? )or other that is 380 or do manual free calibration (not sure if it is worth) because 2 companies have some sort privileges to access lg tv. My message is for us home users we want to have something that’s is reliable yet doesn’t ruin our budget and try 3dlut. Or maybe I’m overreacting and all that fuss about 3dlut is not worth for home use.
So here is another perspective. At a high level, the "accuracy" for a Home calibrator using CalMAN Home, Light Space, HFCR or any other reputable calibration software is basically the same. When you dig deeper, yes there are some things Light Space does better like generating more accurate 3D LUTs and certain things that CalMAN does better like giving you the ability to calibrate HDR and DV and if you want free, then you use HFCR or equivalent. Given most Home calibrators won't be using reference equipment to calibrate, all these solutions will work just fine and although experts can show differences between them, to your eye, the end result will be very similar. A lot of what you read on AVS are deep details which are more of a concern to professional calibrators or Enthusiasts who are interested in the underlying technology and ways to use it.

And as Tyler says in the post above, CalMAN Home for LG gives you the ability to calibrate all the picture modes just like is done professionally with a nice result but a professional calibrator will use reference equipment and experience to get you the best possible Picture Quality accuracy.
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I have had my 65 inch C8 for about a month and have a little over 100 hours on it. I was planning to wait until I got to 200 hours and then hire a profession calibrator. I have to say I think the picture is stunning as it is and I hear it even gets a little better as you approach 200. I run in ISF Light/Dark and Cinema for DV. Is it really worth the money and would I actually notice a difference after professional calibration? Can it get that much better?

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I have had my 65 inch C8 for about a month and have a little over 100 hours on it. I was planning to wait until I got to 200 hours and then hire a profession calibrator. I have to say I think the picture is stunning as it is and I hear it even gets a little better as you approach 200. I run in ISF Light/Dark and Cinema for DV. Is it really worth the money and would I actually notice a difference after professional calibration? Can it get that much better?

Anyone doing video and audio calibration in the NYC area?


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Try Kevin Miller(isftv.com) , also post in calibrators where are you located sticky .


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I have had my 65 inch C8 for about a month and have a little over 100 hours on it. I was planning to wait until I got to 200 hours and then hire a profession calibrator. I have to say I think the picture is stunning as it is and I hear it even gets a little better as you approach 200. I run in ISF Light/Dark and Cinema for DV. Is it really worth the money and would I actually notice a difference after professional calibration? Can it get that much better?

Anyone doing video and audio calibration in the NYC area?


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My reaction was mostly based on Steve and another guy saying you needed Lightspace or Calman to reduce the oversaturation of red. That's a complete fallacy. You can get amazing results if you have HCFR and a good spectro/colorimeter. I posted my results a few days back and was immediately discredited because I didn't use Autocal. Apparently your shouldn't touch the code values in HDR mode. I was told to only use the 2 point calibration...yeah right. If you don't know what you're doing then that's probably a good idea. The attitude that you have to use autocal to get good results is pretentious and condescending... IMO


I don’t know what your problem is but we were all getting along fine here till you started posting . The “guy” giving you tips is a professional calibrator and he is the farthest thing from condescending , he has helped me many times here and over the phone . As far as your “magic” settings , settings don’t transfer from set to set and that’s really not what this thread is about . If you would open your mind you might actually learn something here . You are the one that is arrogant displayed many times in the C8 thread .




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Implying that you need certain software, and that have to use Autocal reeks of elitism. Your comment was more of a dig on me, and less of a response to what I said.
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Implying that you need certain software, and that have to use Autocal reeks of elitism. Your comment was more of a dig on me, and less of a response to what I said.


The only elitism here is in your head imo, you seem not very confident in your abilities , if you were you wouldn’t react the way you have . I have found everyone here to be very helpful take care .

I have a high opinion of hcfr have used it myself , you can get a very good result using manual calibration no one here is disputing that . However , there are certain issues that auto calibration with a 3D lut addresses , they can’t be totally mitigated with manual calibration imo




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