Originally Posted by jrref
Everything you have said, from what I understand from D-Nice explaining it all to me since I've only been "around" for a couple of years, is true, and I don't disagree, BUT its also interesting. Besides LG, and Samsung, now Sony has an agreement for CM autocal. That said, while we will never know the business reasoning, there must be some good business decision for these agreements. If it were only LG and Samsung, OK, but from what I understand Sony is petty much the "king" in this space and they are a respected brand in the industry so there must be more to this then we can see. Not disputing your post, just looking at it from a different perspective.
there is a reason for the brand discussed here, but it don't matter, because even if LS, CM and Argyll (and I'll throw in CP for good measure ;-))) ) had direct hw access, it would still only make sense for any manufacturer to provide a free, in-house solution.
But especially with CM - and we all wish it would be different (because we all paid for it) - LG cannot put their ONLY access into the hands of these folks... please. That is idiotic and very naive, at best.
Btw, a separate upload app from the manufacturer would also remove some stress from CM... some users cannot upload their LUTs... besides that CM LUT are subpar anyways... and some of these users only bought CM for their new B8/C8.. or some other users only renewed their old license because of their new B8/C8... an old license that had to be paid up even for the years that they did not use the sw.... extortion ? almost.
CM will never provide proper sw, forget that, unless there is a seismic shift in ownership. It's been too many years with the exact same issues over and over.
You cannot trust the LUTs, you cannot trust the meter handling (and profiling), and you cannot trust the dE calculation.
(read this again, understand, prepare, and cross reference with free Argyll if u don't own CP or LS)
All of this has been busted a billion times, everybody on here who cross references (with other apps) knows this, for a decade. I'm not saying that every CM version has these issues, but SC have accumulated over the years a very complex piece of software (spaghetti code on top of spaghetti code, it's almost Lasagne - a dev reference, not good), that was never built properly (architecture wise) and they have no proper means of QA/QC.
For example, a very simple module like the "meter profiling" tool (it would be a "module" in proper architecture), would never ever fail again, if u put a simple unit test on it. This particular one is so freaking simple to test for on every new build. So is the standard dE calculation.
They don't do that. It is beyond amateurish, considering all of this has failed more times that anyone here can count.
Now, other cal apps also have issues, don't get me wrong and u can ask Steve how we get on his case when certain things aren't working as advertised, but because LS is in professional post-production the industry standard, he better haul ass when things don't work...
With CM, on every new release, 100 new bugs pop up, or old bugs... they have too many features, that they don't control properly... they built this thing like a kid in a candy store, who sees all these cal gimmicks/features that they want, but they don't know how to do the job (--> coding) properly...
all of this don't matter though, as long as a B8/C8 owner can actually LUT calibrate the freaking expensive LUT capable consumer OLED that they purchased.... ergo, we need a free LG upload app
if CM gets their stuff together, lots of people will use it (especially for HDR cal etc), but I know the free LG upload app, will relieve them of some stress and some users here are pretty pissed to say the least...
u can see, Tyler doesn't even respond to half of the inquiries... because there is nothing to say, because his devs are already 3 weeks behind on baby stuff...
for example, the out-of-gamut issues: that took them what ? a month ? yeah, cause the $15/hr CM dev had no clue why/where... I guaran-freaking-tee
u, LI would have fixed same day... but they know their code and they know what they're doing, ergo it is very quick for them to find and fix specific issues if u can tell them how to consistently re-create the issue...
nex example: the current blue/yellow deviation/distortion in the CM LUT.... exact same thing... a proper dev that specializes in color science would need 1 or 2 profiles that exhibit the issue and fix immediately... users have already provided this in this thread weeks ago...
AVS has all the threads/posts from the last 8 years... just read up on CM vs. LS vs. Argyll back in the day, it's a lot of fun, lots of talk, lots of drama... ;-)
same story though today..................
LG, let's do this !!!