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That's not permitted in this thread.
I certainly want to respect your wishes, John. However, in the past I have placed a link in my sig to the settings I am using on my 940D, including gray-scale settings. I am aware that displays differ, so my settings may not be optimal for another user’s set, but my question is, would making the settings available in a link be an ethical violation from your perspective? I have received many compliments from 940D owners who tried my settings successfully.
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I have new to account forums and struggle navigating, I would hugely appreciate if you could share some AF9 recommended picture setting threads please.
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I certainly want to respect your wishes, John. However, in the past I have placed a link in my sig to the settings I am using on my 940D, including gray-scale settings. I am aware that displays differ, so my settings may not be optimal for another user’s set, but my question is, would making the settings available in a link be an ethical violation from your perspective? I have received many compliments from 940D owners who tried my settings successfully.
I would prefer that you didn’t since this is a calibration thread and in the Sony’s case specifically any copied settings will most certainty make the set look worse since the default out of the box calibration is pretty good. And I don’t want to spend endless time and energy proving it.
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Thank you, John, for the detailed explanation. One missing piece of information is the CalMAN software version. I am using CalMAN Home Enthusiast—is that the version that will work? And I am looking forward to Tyler’s answer WRT whether MobileForge will work. I have used MobileForge before using Airplay through an AppleTV, and it works quite well.

So, if all I will need is the C6 meter, that puts it within what I am willing to spend for what looks like an interesting capability.
MobileForge should work for SDR, with the caveat that you will need to verify the levels coming out of whatever player hardware you are using it with.
Right but we need to check with Tyler in this since I’m not sure if it will work with the Sony app.
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Are you able to mentioned what default settings works best with what content? I.e what viewing content would you use *standard* for and same for cinema and custom. thank you .
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Talking about user setting such as brightness, etc., is fine just not the 2 and 20pt and cms settings.

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Right but we need to check with Tyler in this since I’m not sure if it will work with the Sony app.
John, if I understood Tyler's earlier post correctly, that app only allows CalMAN to communicate with and control the set wirelessly as it does with the LGs...

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That's correct. And it should work with the Amazon Fire Stick but we just need to verify with Tyler because I haven't tried it.

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That's correct. And it should work with the Amazon Fire Stick but we just need to verify with Tyler because I haven't tried it.
Yes, I wish Tyler would spend the time to write up an Autocal guide. I don’t want to spend money on useless purchases. For example, the X-Rite i1Display Pro is a reasonably-priced meter that is supposed to be similar to the C6. I would like a statement that this meter will indeed work with the new automated calibration.

It is disappointing to me that I have sent three emails to SpectraCal customer support over the last several weeks concerning a license renewal for The Home Enthusiast software, and I haven’t received a single response. I wonder if Portrait Displays is in the business to make money or not...
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As far basic user settings, Custom default for Dark room and Cinema default for Bright room.

As far as meters, I can't say for certain but any meter that you use for manual SDR calibration should work with Autocal.

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Yes, I wish Tyler would spend the time to write up an Autocal guide. I don’t want to spend money on useless purchases. For example, the X-Rite i1Display Pro is a reasonably-priced meter that is supposed to be similar to the C6. I would like a statement that this meter will indeed work with the new automated calibration.

It is disappointing to me that I have sent three emails to SpectraCal customer support over the last several weeks concerning a license renewal for The Home Enthusiast software, and I haven’t received a single response. I wonder if Portrait Displays is in the business to make money or not...
The I1D3 will work. But, it won't be truly accurate with any of its stock EDR files (display profiles), which are all aimed at computer monitors/post-production displays, not consumer HT sets. You'll want to profile it against a reference spectro to get the best out of it. The C-6 advantage is the additional EDR files for popular displays such as QLED and OLED that Spectracal produces for it.
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I certainly want to respect your wishes, John. However, in the past I have placed a link in my sig to the settings I am using on my 940D, including gray-scale settings. I am aware that displays differ, so my settings may not be optimal for another user’s set, but my question is, would making the settings available in a link be an ethical violation from your perspective? I have received many compliments from 940D owners who tried my settings successfully.
Don’t worry, I will be posting settings for these TVs soon. I’ll place them in the owners thread or create a thread for them and all my other settings.
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Don’t worry, I will be posting settings for these TVs soon. I’ll place them in the owners thread or create a thread for them and all my other settings.


Like for the LG C8?
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Yep, I did not forget about those settings. Just been really busy with other things.
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Forgot to mention OOTB Sony has the white point set to what they believe is "Reference" and not D65. OOTB the Sony white point is set to x:0.3067 Y:0.318

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Forgot to mention OOTB Sony has the white point set to what they believe is "Reference" and not D65. OOTB the Sony white point is set to x:0.3067 Y:0.318
That is their ‘Judd’ offset value they recommend for their RGB OLED x300 monitor. It does not work with these WRGB OLEDs.
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Right but I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that it's not set to D65 OOTB

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How can you change it to D65? Only via professional equipment?
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How can you change it to D65? Only via professional equipment?
IMO, you should never calibrate these WRGB OLEDs to x0.3127 y0.3290 (aka D65) due to metamerism failure. You should always use an alternative white point. What Sony has chosen to use for the A9F, A8F and A1E does not look right with compared to a reference that does not have metamerism issues (i.e. CRT, Plasma, CCFL LCD and some LED LCDs).
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If you want it accurate for your specific set, then yes.

I really don't want to start a long drawn out discussion on D65 vs another white point or a custom white point, etc.. here. I believe there is a thread somewhere on AVS for this focus.

The focus of this thread is experiences, discoveries, "tricks" to overcome issues doing manual and auto calibrations, differences between PM's and associated user settings.

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Yes, I wish Tyler would spend the time to write up an Autocal guide. I don’t want to spend money on useless purchases. For example, the X-Rite i1Display Pro is a reasonably-priced meter that is supposed to be similar to the C6. I would like a statement that this meter will indeed work with the new automated calibration.



It is disappointing to me that I have sent three emails to SpectraCal customer support over the last several weeks concerning a license renewal for The Home Enthusiast software, and I haven’t received a single response. I wonder if Portrait Displays is in the business to make money or not...


I was away at the TV Shootout so your response was put on hold. We haven’t even released a public beta of the software yet. That should be released in the next week.

i1 display pro would need a meter profile from a Spectro for proper use on the A9F.

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Tyler thanks and can a patch generator like MobileForge on an Amazon Fire Stick be used as well with Sony Autocal? Someone here asked this question.

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How can you change it to D65? Only via professional equipment?
I think you should have noticed by now that many of the participants in this thread are professional calibrators. If you are expecting "how-to" instructions for basic concepts that are second-nature to a professional calibrator, then this is probably not the right thread for you. I find myself in the same position as you are, and many of the responses I am seeing here are beyond my level of expertise, which is why I will probably bow out of participating for now.
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hrmmm… darn shame this didn't come with hdmi 2.1.
I'll most likely pick it up when calman releases a version for it with autocal. I hope auto-cal will be a less bumpy ride than with the LG (I personally happy with auto-cal on that... finally...)

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If you want it accurate for your specific set, then yes.

I really don't want to start a long drawn out discussion on D65 vs another white point or a custom white point, etc.. here. I believe there is a thread somewhere on AVS for this focus.

The focus of this thread is experiences, discoveries, "tricks" to overcome issues doing manual and auto calibrations, differences between PM's and associated user settings.

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Well the ‘discovery’ is not to use x0.3127 y0.3290 as a white point on this TV.... just like all other WRGB LG OLED based panels. The ‘trick’ is to use the correct offset/alternative whitepoint to overcome metamerism failure.
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You know I've been watching my A9 with D65, the Sony white point and my LG sitting next to it with your white point and so far, there are pro's and con's to all of them. I'm beginning to think some of the pro's and con's may be related to personal preference vs right and wrong. So far, and this might not be my permanent preference, I like the Sony white point. Not that the other's are bad or wrong, it just looks more natural to my and my wife's eyes. I know we can have a long discussion on metamerism and the pros and cons of your research on this topic but just leave it to say that the Sony is set to the modified Judd white point and you can calibrate it to any white point that you want.

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You know I've been watching my A9 with D65, the Sony white point and my LG sitting next to it with your white point and so far, there are pro's and con's to all of them. I'm beginning to think some of the pro's and con's may be related to personal preference vs right and wrong. So far, and this might not be my permanent preference, I like the Sony white point. Not that the other's are bad or wrong, it just looks more natural to my and my wife's eyes. I know we can have a long discussion on metamerism and the pros and cons of your research on this topic but just leave it to say that the Sony is set to the modified Judd white point and you can calibrate it to any white point that you want.
Actually the A9F is not set to x0.0306 y0.3118 OOTB. Mine measures no where near that white point..... at least not with the 1931 Observer match function.

It is also no different than the OOTB Cinema Pro of the A8F and A1E (speaking of Custom on the A9F).

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This is what Sony told us they are setting the white point to. I'll check my set next time I put the meter on it.

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Good deal. The A8F white point I gave you is the same for the A9F. It is spot on when side by side with my 3DLUT Kuro 101FD.


I will also say that this 65A9F is the cleanest panel, uniformity wise, I have here. Still not as good as my Kuro but better than the 2018 LGs.
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Folks, I know this thread has been quiet but I suspect there will be another Calman Beta very soon so once it's available then we can post our findings and go into the details of calibrating this set. I've done several already and there is lots to discuss. This time more good even though there are still some quirks
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