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Does anyone know if Sony LCD LED TV's have been using PFS Phosphor for a few generations? Or is this the first? I have an X900E I'm trying to calibrate and I'm trying to pick the correct display type. Also does anyone know what the HCFR equivalent selection of PFS Phosphor on an i1 Display Pro would be?
I think the 900e uses GB LED.

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I think the 900e uses GB LED.
My Z9D uses RG Phosphor, would think the 900e (same timeframe) would use the same? Good question for Tyler.

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I think the 900e uses GB LED.
My Z9D uses RG Phosphor, would think the 900e (same timeframe) would use the same? Good question for Tyler.
Possible, I was thinking that the 900E being a cheaper model it wouldn't be using the more expensive LEDs.

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Just checking--we set Dynamic Range to "Limited" before running the Autocalibration. When the calibration has completed, the setting should be reverted to "Auto", correct?

The reason I ask is that when we run the Post-calibration checker with Dynamic Range set to Limited, everything looks very good. If we switch to Auto and re-run the Post-calibration checker, things don't look as good. If we have normal viewing with the setting in Auto, which Post-calibration results are actually in effect when viewing?

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Just checking--we set Dynamic Range to "Limited" before running the Autocalibration. When the calibration has completed, the setting should be reverted to "Auto", correct?



The reason I ask is that when we run the Post-calibration checker with Dynamic Range set to Limited, everything looks very good. If we switch to Auto and re-run the Post-calibration checker, things don't look as good. If we have normal viewing with the setting in Auto, which Post-calibration results are actually in effect when viewing?


Auto looks at the HDMI AVI info frame. If your sources has that flag set to full range it will automatically switch to full range. But it will not do that on an actual video source that has the flag set to limited range.
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I don't recall a discussion regarding how to properly set the contrast control on the Z9F. I don't think the AutoCal touches the contrast setting, and I am pretty sure contrast has no effect on white balance. Can someone share how to determine the correct contrast setting? Thanks!
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I don't recall a discussion regarding how to properly set the contrast control on the Z9F. I don't think the AutoCal touches the contrast setting, and I am pretty sure contrast has no effect on white balance. Can someone share how to determine the correct contrast setting? Thanks!
You always want to keep the contrast setting to the default as per Sony.
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You always want to keep the contrast setting to the default as per Sony.
Since I don’t recall what the Sony default was (it is currently set to 90), how do I know? I would prefer to avoid resetting everything to defaults just to see what the default setting was for Contrast.

Perhaps you or someone would be kind enough to tell me what the default setting should be?
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Since I don’t recall what the Sony default was (it is currently set to 90), how do I know? I would prefer to avoid resetting everything to defaults just to see what the default setting was for Contrast.

Perhaps you or someone would be kind enough to tell me what the default setting should be?
90 is the default on Sony TV's. Sony TV's come very good out of the box as far as black level and contrast settings go. when using patterns neither the highest nor lowest grays were clipped. Don't sweat contrast and black level settings as long as you've got them set at 90 and 50 respectively.
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90 is the default on Sony TV's. Sony TV's come very good out of the box as far as black level and contrast settings go. when using patterns neither the highest nor lowest grays were clipped. Don't sweat contrast and black level settings as long as you've got them set at 90 and 50 respectively.
And Sony doesn't recommend changing these values.
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90 is the default on Sony TV's. Sony TV's come very good out of the box as far as black level and contrast settings go. when using patterns neither the highest nor lowest grays were clipped. Don't sweat contrast and black level settings as long as you've got them set at 90 and 50 respectively.
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And Sony doesn't recommend changing these values.
Well, it seems like I have retained the default setting, thanks for confirming.

On my upstairs 940D, Contrast is set to 96, which I believe I arrived at using the Spears&Munsil test Blu-ray. I'll revert this setting to 90 as well.
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I don’t recall a discussion on how to determine the correct setting for the Color Control, which is currently set to 50 on my display.

Do the “Per Color Adjustments” fine-tune the Color, regardless of the setting for “Color”. IOW, does it really matter what the Color setting is?

And what about the Hue setting, which is currently at the default setting of zero?
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I don’t recall a discussion on how to determine the correct setting for the Color Control, which is currently set to 50 on my display.

Do the “Per Color Adjustments” fine-tune the Color, regardless of the setting for “Color”. IOW, does it really matter what the Color setting is?

And what about the Hue setting, which is currently at the default setting of zero?
For the most part the Color setting acts like the saturation settings but for all colors.
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Looks like rolling auto cal was added for the legacy Sony models.

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Does anyone know if Sony LCD LED TV's have been using PFS Phosphor for a few generations? Or is this the first? I have an X900E I'm trying to calibrate and I'm trying to pick the correct display type. Also does anyone know what the HCFR equivalent selection of PFS Phosphor on an i1 Display Pro would be?
My Z9D is RG Phosphor according to Tyler but my 950G is PFS Phosphor again, according to Tyler.

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Just checking--we set Dynamic Range to "Limited" before running the Autocalibration. When the calibration has completed, the setting should be reverted to "Auto", correct?

The reason I ask is that when we run the Post-calibration checker with Dynamic Range set to Limited, everything looks very good. If we switch to Auto and re-run the Post-calibration checker, things don't look as good. If we have normal viewing with the setting in Auto, which Post-calibration results are actually in effect when viewing?
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Auto looks at the HDMI AVI info frame. If your sources has that flag set to full range it will automatically switch to full range. But it will not do that on an actual video source that has the flag set to limited range.
Correct, since we use PCs set to full we have to force the TV to Limited. In Calman, expand to PC levels unchecked and Calman set to Video (16-235) levels.

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Hey all,

So I am considering trying the AutoCal, but I'm not 100% decided yet. I have several questions if I were to attempt this, and would appreciate any help!

1.) I know at the least I would need a meter (I'd probably bite the bullet and go SpectraCal C6 HDR2000). Would I also need a software package like CalMan Home, or does the AutoCal somehow make that unnecessary?

2.) Let's say I calibrate SDR on HDMI 3. Do the changes translate to, say, HDMI 2 as well? How about things like the built-in apps and Netflix calibrated mode?

3.) From my understanding, calibrating SDR essentially also calibrates HDR. What about Dolby Vision? And is there anything that needs calibrated separately in any of these formats?

4.) How are different modes, such as Game Mode, treated?

5.) Are there any known limitations/problems/bugs at this time?

6.) I did find this: https://calmankb.groovehq.com/help/s...r-series-guide Are there any other step-by-step guides that would be useful to a newbie to ensure no errors?

I'm fairly tech-savvy, but I'm also a perfectionist, so honestly I'm a little bit nervous to try something like this and keep going back and forth on whether to undertake it. Seems like there are a lot of little settings/tweaks to get lost in.

Thanks!
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Despite being termed as old workflow in a neighbouring thread, this document explains the basic setup very well, which still applies.
Scroll down to page 9 on the above mentioned document, it explains how Sony manages those settings. These are also still actual, because they are defined by Bravia, not CalMan.
Some settings are related to input+picture mode, some per picture mode, some per color temp mode.
HDR calibration is not performed on Sony Bravias, as much as I understand.
Scroll down to page 29 in the above linked document for an explanation of how other picture modes are treated and calibrated.
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Despite being termed as old workflow in a neighbouring thread, this document explains the basic setup very well, which still applies.
Scroll down to page 9 on the above mentioned document, it explains how Sony manages those settings. These are also still actual, because they are defined by Bravia, not CalMan.
Some settings are related to input+picture mode, some per picture mode, some per color temp mode.
HDR calibration is not performed on Sony Bravias, as much as I understand.
Scroll down to page 29 in the above linked document for an explanation of how other picture modes are treated and calibrated.
Wow a lot of info here. Thanks!
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Hey all,

So I am considering trying the AutoCal, but I'm not 100% decided yet. I have several questions if I were to attempt this, and would appreciate any help!

1.) I know at the least I would need a meter (I'd probably bite the bullet and go SpectraCal C6 HDR2000). Would I also need a software package like CalMan Home, or does the AutoCal somehow make that unnecessary?

2.) Let's say I calibrate SDR on HDMI 3. Do the changes translate to, say, HDMI 2 as well? How about things like the built-in apps and Netflix calibrated mode?

3.) From my understanding, calibrating SDR essentially also calibrates HDR. What about Dolby Vision? And is there anything that needs calibrated separately in any of these formats?

4.) How are different modes, such as Game Mode, treated?

5.) Are there any known limitations/problems/bugs at this time?

6.) I did find this: https://calmankb.groovehq.com/help/s...r-series-guide Are there any other step-by-step guides that would be useful to a newbie to ensure no errors?

I'm fairly tech-savvy, but I'm also a perfectionist, so honestly I'm a little bit nervous to try something like this and keep going back and forth on whether to undertake it. Seems like there are a lot of little settings/tweaks to get lost in.

Thanks!
1. You will need a meter (C6 HDR2000 is a good one), as well as software. CalMAN home supports AutoCal and would be the least expensive option. You will also need to generate the patterns for the calibration. One approach is to use a laptop that has an HDMI connection. Connect to the display’s side HDMI port and CalMAN will generate the necessary patterns for you. The laptop’s video needs to be properly configured (settings in Windows). Last I heard, Tyler was developing a guide on how to properly configure the settings. If you don’t use the laptop for patterns, you would need an external pattern generator, which adds significantly to the cost.

2. A calibration done on one HDMI port is valid for other HDMI ports as well. There are several settings that need to be manually configured for the other HDMI ports, as well as for the TV mode and the internal apps. For example, when you calibrate, you will select a picture mode like “Custom for Pro1”, and a Color temperature such as “Expert1”. When finished with the calibration, you need to make sure the same picture mode and color temperature settings, as well as the brightness setting, are used for all other inputs. It’s a simple process, but one that you should not forget.

3. SDR maps to HDR. DV is also HDR.

4. I don’t use game mode.

5. No bugs that I know of.

6. CalMAN has a Bravia calibration guide, and Sony has one as well. I would provide the links, but I am away from home on a vacation. I’m sure you will find them.
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1. You will need a meter (C6 HDR2000 is a good one), as well as software. CalMAN home supports AutoCal and would be the least expensive option. You will also need to generate the patterns for the calibration. One approach is to use a laptop that has an HDMI connection. Connect to the display’s side HDMI port and CalMAN will generate the necessary patterns for you. The laptop’s video needs to be properly configured (settings in Windows). Last I heard, Tyler was developing a guide on how to properly configure the settings. If you don’t use the laptop for patterns, you would need an external pattern generator, which adds significantly to the cost.

2. A calibration done on one HDMI port is valid for other HDMI ports as well. There are several settings that need to be manually configured for the other HDMI ports, as well as for the TV mode and the internal apps. For example, when you calibrate, you will select a picture mode like “Custom for Pro1”, and a Color temperature such as “Expert1”. When finished with the calibration, you need to make sure the same picture mode and color temperature settings, as well as the brightness setting, are used for all other inputs. It’s a simple process, but one that you should not forget.

3. SDR maps to HDR. DV is also HDR.

4. I don’t use game mode.

5. No bugs that I know of.

6. CalMAN has a Bravia calibration guide, and Sony has one as well. I would provide the links, but I am away from home on a vacation. I’m sure you will find them.
Thanks so much for the excellent and extremely helpful response!

So between this and the other information posted, it looks like I should be all set with the meter + Home software. It's also really neat to know about the "Custom for Pro1" setting that is unlocked and also that HDR and DV are automatically set (as long as the "Custom for Pro1" picture mode is selected) since they're tied to SDR (which is really nice actually) - that answers most of my questions there!

Re game mode, it's looking from the information provided earlier like I'll just need to copy the "Custom for Pro1" advanced settings and apply it to Game Mode, which is also no problem.

Still a bit confused as to how it'll work with Netflix Calibrated Mode, apps, etc., but I suppose I'll just have to try it and see if the advanced settings copy or not. If not, copying them over should do it...I think...

Re brightness, which I'm especially interested in, it looks like I set that in the TV settings and keep taking readings until it's where I want, if I'm reading it right. It says aim for 15% more than desired, so if I'm understanding right, if I wanted to aim for, say, 200 nits (suitable for a medium-lit room), I'd want to get to 230 measured before continuing on.

One other question - if I'm for whatever (hopefully unlikely) reason not happy with the calibration or sure it's right - is there a way to undo it/reset things back to factory?

Thanks all. Really starting to think I'm gonna end up doing this as I'm just too curious/interested in this stuff not to. I'm just a bit nervous as well. =oP
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5. No bugs that I know of.



Client 3 constantly crashes after it generates a few patters. I got all the way to GrayScale Midpoint in Calman home for Sony when it would only show 1 pattern and crash. I'm using Windows Pro 64 bit. I've tried Client 3 on 3 different PCs. Two Laptops and one Desktop and it crashes on them all. Doesn't matter if I run both on one setup or separate. I've tried multiple compatibility settings and run as admin but no difference. version 3.0.2.89
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Client 3 constantly crashes after it generates a few patters. I got all the way to GrayScale Midpoint in Calman home for Sony when it would only show 1 pattern and crash. I'm using Windows Pro 64 bit. I've tried Client 3 on 3 different PCs. Two Laptops and one Desktop and it crashes on them all. Doesn't matter if I run both on one setup or separate. I've tried multiple compatibility settings and run as admin but no difference. version 3.0.2.89
Hmmm...did a few searches, and that type of error seems to occur a lot if there's a problem with the .NET Framework install (4.0 I believe), so you could try to reinstall that. Also, it seems some people running different languages tend to get it; might be good to see if that could potentially be an issue? Just a few ideas to throw out. Good luck - I'm sure that's frustrating!

[Also, there appears to be threads on this type of crash from the search results that were on the SpectraCal forums; those forums don't seem to exist anymore - looks like Portrait bought SpectraCal and changed the website?]

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If you don’t use the laptop for patterns, you would need an external pattern generator, which adds significantly to the cost.
If one doesn't mind fully manual workflow, then something like a AVS HD 709 Calibration disc or files would also do.
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If one doesn't mind fully manual workflow, then something like a AVS HD 709 Calibration disc or files would also do.
Good info, but I should be fine using the laptop-generated patterns as long as Calman Home can do it for me.

Had a couple more questions:

* If I wanted to set my brightness target brighter than the 100 nits standard (let's say 200 nits for example), will this throw off HDR?

* I was watching some YouTube videos about calibration, and they were talking about using a device for "Meter Profiling." I'm assuming most of the people here haven't done this/don't find it necessary as it requires another piece of pretty expensive equipment?

Thanks all!

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Good info, but I should be fine using the laptop-generated patterns as long as Calman Home can do it for me.



As far as I can tell the software does not generate patterns. You will need to download Client 3, which is free to use as a pattern generator.
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As far as I can tell the software does not generate patterns. You will need to download Client 3, which is free to use as a pattern generator.
Calman most definitely can generate patterns as long as your laptop has Intel (or I believe nVidia) graphics.
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I think the issue is figuring out how to access the patterns.

Anyway, I found a solution. I can screen mirror my phone to my Roku Ultra and use mobile forge. Its a bad solution but at least now i know mobile forge won't crash. I will get an mhl or micro to hdmi adapter and use either my phone or android laptop.

My pc laptops both have intel and one has nvidia or intel but niether seemed to run client 3.

I do have a PC connected that has a 1070 gpu i haven't tried.

At least I have some solutions now.
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Client 3 constantly crashes after it generates a few patters. I got all the way to GrayScale Midpoint in Calman home for Sony when it would only show 1 pattern and crash. I'm using Windows Pro 64 bit. I've tried Client 3 on 3 different PCs. Two Laptops and one Desktop and it crashes on them all. Doesn't matter if I run both on one setup or separate. I've tried multiple compatibility settings and run as admin but no difference. version 3.0.2.89
I don’t use Client3, not do I expect the OP to use it either, so not applicable to us.
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As far as I can tell the software does not generate patterns. You will need to download Client 3, which is free to use as a pattern generator.
Not correct. The software generates patterns when you select “Open pattern window” and drag the window to the display, which is configured as a second (extended) desktop in Windows.
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