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Sorry, Manual Calibration, SDR.
There's no such CalMAN provided workflow name. What's the actual name, like Samsung TV SDR Calibration?

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There's no such CalMAN provided workflow name. What's the actual name, like Samsung TV SDR Calibration?
From the CalMAN Menu -> Open WorkFlow Template -> Manual Calibration. Then on the initial page, select SDR. I'm talking about CalMAN Home for Samsung, are you?
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From the CalMAN Menu -> Open WorkFlow Template -> Manual Calibration. Then on the initial page, select SDR. I'm talking about CalMAN Home for Samsung, are you?
Ahh, I'm in Enthusiast, wonder why they would have different Samsung workflows.

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I'm curious why most of the Delta and RGB Balance charts in Manual Calibration are set to Fixed Axis? I much prefer Auto Axis.
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I'm curious why most of the Delta and RGB Balance charts in Manual Calibration are set to Fixed Axis? I much prefer Auto Axis.
Fixed Axis can make it easier to spot differences when comparing the charts, especially for those new to calibration.

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Ahh, I'm in Enthusiast, wonder why they would have different Samsung workflows.


CalMAN Home has all new simplified workflows.

Enthusiast has the same Autocal workflows as the Studio/Video Pro/Ultimate License levels.

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The CalMAN Home for Samsung Walkthrough says to use Full 100% pattern size for SDR AutoCal. The CalMAN Home Manual Calibration Walkthrough recommends using Constant APL 10 for LCD. Why the difference? Which one should I pick for manual calibration of a 2019 Samsung Q90R?


It is a description bug in the workflow. The web instructions are correct. 100% size patterns for SDR.

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It is a description bug in the workflow. The web instructions are correct. 100% size patterns for SDR.
OK, thanks, but both of my references were to web instructions. The one that recommends Constant APL 10 is this one.
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We have a KS 8000 here in the office so I should be able to set it up tomorrow and test it myself .
Let me know what you find please, I have to return the meter in 10~ days.
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Quick question:

1. When do you expect 2019 Q90R Calman for Home to be released?

2. How easy would it be for a novice to use Calman for Home?
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Quick question:

1. When do you expect 2019 Q90R Calman for Home to be released?

2. How easy would it be for a novice to use Calman for Home?
Just wanted to try and answer your second question. I'm a novice that just performed my first ever TV calibration using Calman Home for Samsung on a 55JU7500. I used a Spyder5 colorimeter, a Green-utech PL2303TA 6ft Usb Rs232 Serial to 3.5mm Stereo Aj Cable (from Amazon - for direct TV control) and Mobile Forge on a 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 (using AirPlay to my Apple TV connected to the TV to display the patterns).


I'd say on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the easiest, it's a 6/10 or 7/10 for a novice. The walkthrough for the software is a little off and confusing at points, though. Needs some corrections/clarification IMO. Here are my walkthrough notes:


1. The walkthrough says calibration "is impossible" without a $32 serial adapter plus another cable. That's actually incorrect, as the USB to 3.5mm adapter I mentioned above works fine for $13 and it's plug-and-play on Win10. No extra drivers needed.
2. Starting in Step 3, the walkthrough starts referring to clicking "read series," "read continuous," etc. These buttons aren't obviously labeled. You have to hover over the small square buttons above the "back" and "next" buttons in the lower-right to figure out which is which. This lack of obvious buttons is worse with making direct control display adjustments from the software, but basically hover over any blue horizontal bar and arrows will pop up allowing you to adjust TV settings from the PC (brightness, contrast, backlight, etc).
3. I personally missed the note that says "click the Full DDC Reset button" on my first cal attempt, and from the posts here in this thread, it sounds like I'm not the only one.
4. Step 5 (White Balance/Grayscale 2pt) is out of order in the walkthrough, which was mildly disorienting.
5. Step 6 is more confusing than it needs to be, as it asks you to adjust the brightness to 15% above your target without telling you what your target should be. After research, looks like 100 is the standard peak luminance target, so 15% above that would be 115. I think the software should suggest targets for folks who don't know or understand this.
6. Step 9 will be the hardest part for novices like me, as the walkthrough is confusing and unclear:
6a. It says to "Adjust the display's Brightness and Contrast controls to set dynamic range" but it only explains how to adjust contrast. The instructions for adjusting brightness are literally, "Click the Brightness button to display the brightness pattern then adjust brightness manually." I have no idea what that means, but it's the grey box on a black screen so I assumed I make the brightness as low as possible without the center box disappearing entirely. I'm still not 100% sure if that's right.
6b. For the datapoint levels drop-down, I think you have to choose "Clipping" if you're using MobileForge. It defaults to "Clipping with Peak White," but no matter what I did per the instructions, the luminance graph plateaued at 1. If what I did was correct, the CalMAN should automatically default to "Clipping" in this step since the program already knows I'm using MobileForge (made by the same company).
6c. The last part of this step is possibly the most confusing. It says "Select the 100/235 pattern, click the Read Continuous button, and adjust the display’s peak white to the desired luminance from Step 6." The big issue with these instructions is that there is nothing that says "100/235 pattern" nor is there an adjustment for "Peak White." What I believe they want you to do is click on "100" in the lower left to display that pattern on the screen, then click "read continuous," then adjust the Luminance slider (which I think is the CalMAN name for the "Backlight" adjustment on the Samsung OSD) to hit the target from Step 6 (which in my case was 115).


In my first cal attempt, without clicking "Full DDC Reset," my average dE (which I think is the deviation from the sRGB definitions of particular colors/shades) went from around 5 to under 2. I was using the recommended cal settings from rtings prior to my cal.


Hope this helps!


Edits 5/24/19:


- Removed confusion over LCD types, I realized I should have chosen LED not CCFL normal or expanded range.
- Replaced "workflow" with "walkthrough" for clarity.


I tried re-accomplishing the cal last night choosing LED as the TV type and making sure to click "DDC Reset" prior to calibration. My numbers came out WAY worse and I wish there was a way to revert... My initial autocal (clicking CCFL normal range and not clicking DDC Reset) gave me an avg color dE of 1.6/max 4.2 and avg gray dE of 0.7/max 1.7. Choosing LED and clicking DDC Reset gave me color avgs of 2.3/max 6.4 and gray avgs around 2 with a max above 5 (10% and 100% were way off). Ran it several times with similarly poor results, the only thing I changed was lowering my luminance target from 100nits to 50nits per the luminance suggestions in CalMAN's help file.


Also, no matter what you set your dE targets to, the auto adjustment software seems to give up after a certain number of adjustment attempts.
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When loading a saved Manual HDR calibration session, the setting on the initial page is restored as SDR, not HDR.
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When there's more than one History tab for the Post-Calibration Verification page, is there some way to get the Pre/Post Comparison page to show the results for a specific History tab?
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When there's more than one History tab for the Post-Calibration Verification page, is there some way to get the Pre/Post Comparison page to show the results for a specific History tab?
You would have to change the source for the charts and you need to be in design mode for that.

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An other beginners question, I leave the calibration standing on LCD but if I read it correct I should have chosen led. I thougt because the source TV is made by autocal that lcd was oke.

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An other beginners question, I leave the calibration standing on LCD but if I read it correct I should have chosen led. I thougt because the source TV is made by autocal that lcd was oke.
For what display?

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I noticed on the 2pt grayscale autocal the patches are 30 and 109 when mobileforge can't show above 100 (I think?).
On the CMS step, it gets pretty close to the blue target and then keeps changing it until it becomes worse and worse, leaving it at an horrible place.
Also at the end I messed around with the brigthness/contrast because I didn't notice it was doing clipping with peak white... shouldn't matter.

This is a recording of last night's try:

I don't get it
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Does anybody know if the new 2019 model QLED "The Frame" LS03 models include autocal? Thank you.
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I noticed on the 2pt grayscale autocal the patches are 30 and 109 when mobileforge can't show above 100 (I think?).
On the CMS step, it gets pretty close to the blue target and then keeps changing it until it becomes worse and worse, leaving it at an horrible place.
Also at the end I messed around with the brigthness/contrast because I didn't notice it was doing clipping with peak white... shouldn't matter.

I don't get it
It really does matter. If you are clipping at 100% and above, your CMS will be off when calibrating at that level. Targets for color are calculated based on measured White luminance, and if one or more colors are clipping, they can never make their targets. You must ensure the display isn't clipping before proceeding with the calibration. You should have a few alternate options for the points in the two-point grayscale.

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I installed CalMAN Home for Samsung to evaluate but it only shows me the Home Introduction Workflow in the Open Workflow Template Menu. I tried opening the other Home workflows by double clicking on them but it says "the workflow you have selected is not licenced for this product"

I was running CalMAN 2016 before but completely uninstalled it, wiped the registry, deleted folders etc.

PS does anyone know if 2013/2014 Samsung F8000 LCD/LED TV is supported for AutoCal. Figured I would have some fun calibrating that as well as my QLED.

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I installed CalMAN Home for Samsung to evaluate but it only shows me the Home Introduction Workflow in the Open Workflow Template Menu. I tried opening the other Home workflows by double clicking on them but it says "the workflow you have selected is not licenced for this product"

I was running CalMAN 2016 before but completely uninstalled it, wiped the registry, deleted folders etc.

PS does anyone know if 2013/2014 Samsung F8000 LCD/LED TV is supported for AutoCal. Figured I would have some fun calibrating that as well as my QLED.
You may be limited in the workflows you can access in Demo mode.
So far, we've only seen people use the 2016 model setup to autocal 2015 models. If your TV doesn't have the Ex-Link connector (looks like a PC headphone/microphone jack), autocal cannot work, since it's how CalMAN communicates with the display.
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You may be limited in the workflows you can access in Demo mode.
@tyler @WiFi-Spy can you confirm please? What's the point of a trial version if you cant checkout workflows?
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@tyler @WiFi-Spy can you confirm please? What's the point of a trial version if you cant checkout workflows?


Only 2015 and newer are supported officially. I have never tried previous years.

The workflows should be accessible. I will enter this as a bug/oversight.

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Question: Is it possible to calibrate Samsung Q90R using autocal?
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Question: Is it possible to calibrate Samsung Q90R using autocal?
See this post.
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400 nits

I followed the tip from anotherdude to make an calibration on 400 nits made one with backlight 38 and to be honest the view is clear and better then the calibration on 100 nits etc., so in your advance try it out.

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