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The only you can do, if the TV provide can the native (largest gamut) mode in SDR (but gamma based) with high nits output, is to try to measure for 3D LUT and from that data to create an HDR PQ EOTF REC.2020 3D LUT table so you will use that fixed 3D LUT generated tone-gamut mapping for all your content.
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What the best pattern size? 10%? or full screen? to create a 2.2 3dlut to use with madvr hdr processing

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Hey all - I need some help. I forgot to deactivate my old license before selling my device, and have no way of activating a new license. I've reached out to Portrait Displays via their support form, but haven't received an answer yet. Does anyone know if there is a workaround? I was hoping to do a calibration this weekend. Is there a support number I can call? Chat? Thanks.
Hi, you have to ask for a license reset: http://www.portrait.com/contact-support/

There no anyone working during weekends and tel. support number is not available to the site: http://www.portrait.com/contact/

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I bought this Tv only for easy Aucocal!!!
Can Someone give some tips to calibrate Hdr with Displaycal?
I tried with terrible results. With hdr 3d lut and with 2.2 lut for madvr
For HDR measurements, the industry standard size which is recommended from EBU and Dolby is the 10% window sized (L32 loading) patterns with black background.

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Also for a Dci 2.2 lut for madvr? Without use the tv Hdr

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Also for a Dci 2.2 lut for madvr?
As you want the max possible nits in SDR mode, use 10% windows there also.
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I think that Calman and Samsung must fix this, because for months They advertised that all qled models was autocal compatibile
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I think that Calman and Samsung must fix this, because for months They advertised that all qled models was autocal compatibile
The Sony TV list need a correction also: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post58659562

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Hi,

I am calibrating my Samsung (UE65HU7505XXE) manually with CalMAN Home for Samsung.
I get the main and secondary colors OK:



But when viewing also with the "Color Checker Classic", the other points are not in place:



Is there anything that can be done? Are the average and max error values good for my TV?

And one question about the "Grayscale Multipoint" step. My TV has 10pt setting for 10-100%.

If I select "10 Point 10% step 10-100%" setting, the scale/values are off:



But if I select "11 Point 10% step 0-100%", then the values match. Is this the right way to do it, even when my TV has no setting for 0%?



I am using i1 Display Pro 3 (Retail) and PGenerator. Meter is in LCD (LED) mode. PGenerator is 0-255 and CalMAN is setup for 16-235.
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Hi,

I am calibrating my Samsung (UE65HU7505XXE) manually with CalMAN Home for Samsung.
I get the main and secondary colors OK:


But when viewing also with the "Color Checker Classic", the other points are not in place:


Is there anything that can be done? Are the average and max error values good for my TV?

And one question about the "Grayscale Multipoint" step. My TV has 10pt setting for 10-100%.

If I select "10 Point 10% step 10-100%" setting, the scale/values are off:


But if I select "11 Point 10% step 0-100%", then the values match. Is this the right way to do it, even when my TV has no setting for 0%?


I am using i1 Display Pro 3 (Retail) and PGenerator. Meter is in LCD (LED) mode. PGenerator is 0-255 and CalMAN is setup for 16-235.
The only thing that can really be done for the Color Checker is to use a 3D LUT. Standard calibration controls like those in the Samsung are adjusted only at the points set in the calibration software. Any points other than those must rely on the display's color linearity. Many if not most consumer displays aren't linear, so you commonly get those kinds of results. A 3D LUT can correct thousands of points simultaneously and is THE solution. However, the Samsung, as with most TVs, doesn't have a user-accessible 3D LUT. That must be done with an external LUT box.

I think that for your gray scale question, by running a 10-point calibration, you appear to be excluding measured 0 or Black from the gamma calculations. By using the 11-point, you are measuring Black - even though your set can't adjust it (none can) - resulting in a more correct gamma calculation.
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if you hit the "A" key on the keyboard it will trigger autocal for that page in the workflow. I will have the AutoCal button fixed in the first beta of CalMAN 2019 R3.

Hi, do you know if AutoCal will works wih Q950R if Q900R is already supported?


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Yes. It is just a labeling difference from the US versus Europe.
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Which is the more accurate test pattern generator between HDfury's products (Vertex/Integral) or madVR TPG? I assume they both work with autocal?
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Which is the more accurate test pattern generator between HDfury's products (Vertex/Integral) or madVR TPG? I assume they both work with autocal?
The HDFury boxes are NOT pattern generators. They merely insert the needed HDR metadata to put a display into HDR mode, and the Vertex can also upscale to 4K...

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The HDFury boxes are NOT pattern generators. They merely insert the needed HDR metadata to put a display into HDR mode, and the Vertex can also upscale to 4K...
They're on the list of supported pattern sources. The only options I see available on the device are for "color bars" and "ramps" though. Not sure how it would integrate with autocal, maybe through RS232 commands?

I have both available to me so I was just curious.



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They're on the list of supported pattern sources. The only options I see available on the device are for "color bars" and "ramps" though. Not sure how it would integrate with autocal, maybe through RS232 commands?

I have both available to me so I was just curious.



I own CalMAN and both the Integral I and the Vertex I. Neither can generate patterns. The Integral is listed as a pattern source because it really isn't a display, processor, or LUT box that can be calibrated by CalMAN, yet it can add metadata to a signal passing through it from a pattern or video source. Originally the Integral I could be directly set to output the metadata by CalMAN via USB, first through 3rd party controller software, and later by CalMAN itself. That functionality was broken by a driver change some time ago, and I don't know if it has been restored.
Further, because the HDFury boxes all use different SDKs, the only HDFury box CalMAN could ever directly control was the original Integral, now discontinued. And it is still the only HDFury component listed in the actual software's "Source" menu (I just checked). Any patterns the Vertex2 can generate will probably have to be triggered manually via its GUI software and not by CalMAN.

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Do you have plan to add, really this time, the Samsung Q70R?

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Do you have plan to add, really this time, the Samsung Q70R?
I'm sorry to say this, but without an Ex-Link connector to allow CalMAN to talk directly to the TV, it cannot be auto-calibrated. So adding the European spec Q70R to the autocal list would therefore put you right back where you started.

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I think that Calman and Samsung can find others ways to Direct control the display
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I think that Calman and Samsung can find others ways to Direct control the display
Samsung has to improve the calibration controls to provide better alignment to the areas they are controlling.

When this happen, then Samsung can see about how to improve the connection methods.
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When doing the color space, should I switch it to 100% saturation or leave it at 75?

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When doing the color space, should I switch it to 100% saturation or leave it at 75?

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At 100% the colours are way oversaturated (can't do anything about it) and calibrating to bring them down will result in v undersaturated mids.
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75%

At 100% the colours are way oversaturated (can't do anything about it) and calibrating to bring them down will result in v undersaturated mids.



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75%

At 100% the colours are way oversaturated (can't do anything about it) and calibrating to bring them down will result in v undersaturated mids.
In my case with my 75Q9FN having the over-bright 100% colors I found that using 100% would wreak havoc with the lower levels. 75% worked much better as it would align the lower (and more important) levels much better, and the display can handle the over-brightness quite well.
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Good evening,

Another question I have is, what is the best option for calibrating the HDR? Currently I have been using mobileforge for the SDR portion and I was wondering if there are any options other than picking up the videoforge device to generate the patterns. Looking for something that will play nice with the Calman Home software. I would like to utilize autocal as I know just enough to be dangerous LOL.

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Another question I have is, what is the best option for calibrating the HDR?
How do you define "best"? madTPG works and is free, but it isn't officially supported for HDR, and I don't know how accurate it is.
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How do you define "best"? madTPG works and is free, but it isn't officially supported for HDR, and I don't know how accurate it is.
Something that is reasonably priced, wouldn't mind paying up to 100 dollars if it was accurate and preferably would auto advance the patterns similar to what mobileforge can do. Really just want something straightforward that doesn't have a huge learning curve but is reasonably priced :-)

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Another question I have is, what is the best option for calibrating the HDR? Currently I have been using mobileforge for the SDR portion and I was wondering if there are any options other than picking up the videoforge device to generate the patterns. Looking for something that will play nice with the Calman Home software. I would like to utilize autocal as I know just enough to be dangerous LOL.
Check this https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...cy-thread.html

MobileForge is not bit perfect. RPi3 is but RGB only when, ideally, you should be calibrating to YCbCr. For that its either an expensive pattern generator for AutoCal or manual calibration using Ted's disk (but perfect) for SDR and DVS disk for HDR.

I have given up on Autocal as I don't have an appropriate YCbCr pattern generator. Was in the marke for an Accupel but discontinued. So I am sticking to manual calibration. It's not that painful and results will be much better that Autocal
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Check this https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...cy-thread.html

MobileForge is not bit perfect. RPi3 is but RGB only when, ideally, you should be calibrating to YCbCr. For that its either an expensive pattern generator for AutoCal or manual calibration using Ted's disk (but perfect) for SDR and DVS disk for HDR.

I have given up on Autocal as I don't have an appropriate YCbCr pattern generator. Was in the marke for an Accupel but discontinued. So I am sticking to manual calibration. It's not that painful and results will be much better that Autocal

Thank you! I am going to explore those options.

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