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Struggle to calibrate non hdr Sony

Sony XBR55X810C 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV
I saw a petition somewhere that must had given some older lower tier tv the update but not having this model .
Dvd look bad , some 4k Blu-ray’s look bad what am I missing by not getting hdr

Regardless I want to calibrate it .!!
I’ve tried multiple Blu-ray players none offer a ultra clear imagine , best 4k I’ve seen so far was aqua-man rental .

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No ones ever had trouble calibration of Sony ? Help please


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Hi,

If you want to calibrate your Sony, you can start by using a calibration disk to perform some basic calibration, like checking your black levels (to have proper near black details visible) and your near white (not have any strange color shade and not clipping), check if your colors are not clipping using a color clipping pattern, see by looking a grayscale ramp what color temp mode of the Sony looks like it has more neutral gradation when you evaluate by looking a grayscale ramp etc.

Here are some images I designed to showcase what you are checking when are you looking to some basic patterns using an RGB Cube Space presentation. While the examples saying Ted's disk, they are doing the same kind of verification when you are using similar pattern from other disks also.

Using the Contrast Flashing Bars Pattern, you are checking this area:



Using the Advanced Contrast Flashing Bars Pattern, you are checking additionally the RGBCMY also:



When you are setting your Contrast, you can see why you need to leave 'headroom' there, with some picture examples of 'out of video legal range values' using 'Mission Impossible - Fallout Blu-Ray' movie as example there, (not clip to 235 aka 100% Reference White).

Using the 7-Color Clipping Bars Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (WRGBCMY), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some additionally clicks from the contrast control also, you are checking these areas:



Brightness patterns also:





The next step is to use a colorimeter and a software, to try to calibrate your Sony using the available calibration controls for RGB balance you have available and see what you can do with color/tint controls to reduce the color gamut errors, after the end of your grayscale calibration.

You will need to spend some time reading and practicing, but the links at the bottom of that post will be helpful:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post57557834
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Ahh what are some calibration discs that aren’t too expensive any on amazon ? With free shipping or any you can download free to a disc then burn them ?
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Ahh what are some calibration discs that aren’t too expensive any on amazon ? With free shipping or any you can download free to a disc then burn them ?
You can start with some free ones:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html
https://www.displaycalibrations.com/..._download.html

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Free should work until I can afford a better calibration disc or tc actually worthy of a better disc .
Now to find a cheap blank dvd to put the download on when I figure out how to do it .


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Free should work until I can afford a better calibration disc or tc actually worthy of a better disc .
Now to find a cheap blank dvd to put the download on when I figure out how to do it .
AVSHD disk has a version which can be burned using an empty DVD, if you blu-ray playback device support playback of AVCHD disk, see info the: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post12373254

(its available blu-ray version also)

Ted's disk require a single layer blu-ray.

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AVSHD disk has a version which can be burned using an empty DVD, if you blu-ray playback device support playback of AVCHD disk, see info the: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post12373254

(its available blu-ray version also)

Ted's disk require a single layer blu-ray.


I know I don’t have a Blu-ray burner are any of these calibration discs in. Blu-ray used for cheap ?
My hp laptop with Blu-ray player died last year the screen won’t power on but it itself
Does . Won’t work on hdmi either

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Struggle to calibrate non hdr Sony

Do dvd work well for calibration? If there not high definition? They accurate

Any websites I can use it an smart tv . So not sure if you can do calibration online .


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Still no such luck on calibration, any websites that help with it or is disc the best way ?
Dvd look terrible no matter what I do this Sony just sucks at up conversation!!!


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Can anything be done or am I just stuck watching dvd and darker films on my old old lcd tv ?


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Can anything be done or am I just stuck watching dvd and darker films on my old old lcd tv ?


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What are your source devices and how are they connected to the TV?

Which picture mode/preset are you using on the TV?

Have you disabled all enhancements, sharpening etc on the TV?

HDR won’t look right on an SDR set unless it’s tone mapped down. I doubt your TV can do that. On the other hand, a decent quality DVD should look ok on a 55” set.

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Still no such luck on calibration, any websites that help with it or is disc the best way ?
Dvd look terrible no matter what I do this Sony just sucks at up conversation!!!
From what device are you playback your movies?

What content you want to playback... DVD, Blu-Ray or 4K HDR Blu-ray?

There basic stuff you can do with only a calibration disk for SDR not for HDR10.

For SDR you can use only a calibration disk to check your near black white/color clipping etc. (and the next step is software/meter)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post24568162
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post34599017

For HDR10 you need meter software, you can't really do something with only a calibration disk, only evaluation, not adjustments.

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From what device are you playback your movies?

What content you want to playback... DVD, Blu-Ray or 4K HDR Blu-ray?

There basic stuff you can do with only a calibration disk for SDR not for HDR10.

For SDR you can use only a calibration disk to check your near black white/color clipping etc. (and the next step is software/meter)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post24568162
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post34599017

For HDR10 you need meter software, you can't really do something with only a calibration disk, only evaluation, not adjustments.
Using this Blu-ray player

Sony rip-off it’s 10 bit tv not hdr I listed model# .
My backlight bleeds too during dark films or scenes .



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Using this Blu-ray player
Set the player to output YCbCr 4:4:4 and Picture Quality Mode @ Direct.

Using these settings will ensure that you will have bit-perfect output levels, then look the TV settings for adjustments.

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