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Monitor calibration and color management

Not sure if this is the appropriate section for this, but I'm running into some issues with my new wide gamut monitor. The colors appear overly saturated when viewing images, including the image I have set as my wallpaper. I'm comparing to a 2nd screen, which only has standard sRGB coverage. If I open an image in Firefox, and move it between screens, it looks about the same. Firefox is applying color management properly. However, if I open the same image in my default image viewer, a small program called jpegview, it looks drastically different. Here it is compared to window live view, which appears to be applying color management correctly. So I guess this jpegview program isn't color managed, or isn't reading tagged images correctly.


Finally, my windows wallpaper image has the overly saturated colors, so it appears windows 10 isn't applying the sRGB tag correctly either. Is there a way to force windows to color manage the wallaper image?
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Not sure if this is the appropriate section for this, but I'm running into some issues with my new wide gamut monitor. The colors appear overly saturated when viewing images, including the image I have set as my wallpaper. I'm comparing to a 2nd screen, which only has standard sRGB coverage. If I open an image in Firefox, and move it between screens, it looks about the same. Firefox is applying color management properly. However, if I open the same image in my default image viewer, a small program called jpegview, it looks drastically different. Here it is compared to window live view, which appears to be applying color management correctly. So I guess this jpegview program isn't color managed, or isn't reading tagged images correctly.


Finally, my windows wallpaper image has the overly saturated colors, so it appears windows 10 isn't applying the sRGB tag correctly either. Is there a way to force windows to color manage the wallaper image?
You cannot force Windows OS to color manage the wallpaper. Instead you can pre-process your wallpaper beforehand converting it from sRGB to your Monitor's color space and then install it.

You can only have GreyScale (Gamma & White Balance) correction OS wide when using Windows OS. Gamut correction (or even complete color correction) can only be done through an application which supports Color Management. For GreyScale correction, a 1DLUT can be generated and loaded in the VCGT (Gamma Tables) of the graphics chip.
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The information here may help: https://www.lightspace.lightillusion..._profiles.html

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The information here may help: https://www.lightspace.lightillusion..._profiles.html

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You cannot force Windows OS to color manage the wallpaper. Instead you can pre-process your wallpaper beforehand converting it from sRGB to your Monitor's color space and then install it.

You can only have GreyScale (Gamma & White Balance) correction OS wide when using Windows OS. Gamut correction (or even complete color correction) can only be done through an application which supports Color Management. For GreyScale correction, a 1DLUT can be generated and loaded in the VCGT (Gamma Tables) of the graphics chip.

Thanks! Windows 10 appears to still be in the stone age, LOL. My workaround is to just use B&W images for my desktop wallpaper. I could give the color conversion a try, but probably won't bother. Now I see why people like Macs
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Thanks! Windows 10 appears to still be in the stone age, LOL. My workaround is to just use B&W images for my desktop wallpaper. I could give the color conversion a try, but probably won't bother. Now I see why people like Macs
Last time I checked, MacOS does not handle untagged images properly. It applies the monitor profile, rather than assume it’s sRGB which is much more likely the case.

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Sorry, is there a bad link, or something?
You might want to be a bit more specific..

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Sorry, is there a bad link, or something?
You might want to be a bit more specific..

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That is copied directly from the web page you listed.
https://www.lightspace.lightillusion..._profiles.html

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Yes, and have you looked at the "Error!" Page of the website??? 🤔

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Yes, and have you looked at the "Error!" Page of the website??? 🤔

https://www.lightspace.lightillusion.com/error.html

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It would help if the “Error!” Page is a link.

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That is kinda what I asked...

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That is kinda what I asked...

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And the answer is “it’s currently NOT a link”, but should’ve been.

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Indeed, and that is the answer you could have given...

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Indeed, and that is the answer you could have given...

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It’s your website and you could at least check before asking for further clarification.

The answer would have been obvious.

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And useful critiques would include useful information...
The link has been added.
Thank you for pointing it out, eventually...

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And useful critiques would include useful information...
The link has been added.
Thank you for pointing it out, eventually...

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I have never seen anyone so unappreciative. :sigh:

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Thanks! Windows 10 appears to still be in the stone age, LOL. My workaround is to just use B&W images for my desktop wallpaper. I could give the color conversion a try, but probably won't bother. Now I see why people like Macs

You mean all the errors, bugs & IU elements issues in Apple's color management engine, the incompatibilities with complex profile types, the lack of OSD or programable LUT in their displays (exclude XRD) so all corrections need to be done in GPU, and the glossyness to see your face while you edit. Did you mean that?
Objectively it's difficult to see why people like macs for image editing if we exclude "showing status" motivation (and that is a good reason, really, no irony)

@omarank has explained it to you. Convert image from one colospace to your display profile (you can assume sRGB source if no explicit colorspace is provided). It is not "give a try", it is what any color managed app would do.
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Update: I ran a calibration for my monitor using the sRGB color space, and things are a lot better, IMO. Windows behaves "normally" again. The more I read, the more I feel I don't even need to use a wider gamut than sRGB. However, since the Eizo can store multiple cals, it's easy to flip back and forth if need be.
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