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So you have Gold and you designate a console as your primary console. Any gamer tag that logs onto that console has Gold privileges. That primary console will always be that way. You don't have to sign in, people can access Gold features. I doubt it applies to sales and the marketplace stuff. More for Netflix, online multplayer, etc.

You go to another Xbox One, you log into that system, everyone has Gold privileges on that console while you're logged in. The primary console at home still has Gold privileges always. You leave, the Gold privileges leave with you.

So if your kid has Gold and you don't plan to, designate him and trail his "Gold halo".

I think a huge advantage for multiple console users is you can be signed in simultanenously on the 360 and the One. This was never allowed with multiple 360 systems or 360/PC. I think they're allowing this for the transition since not everyone is not upgrading right away and 360 members and One members cannot form chat parties together (only messaging as far as I know).
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Well damn, that's walking the walk. That's more faith than I'd have in any company, I hope it works out, cause that's a hell of a lot of money to invest up front.

I don't get hung up worrying about anything like if I get a bad apple that is what warranties are for. I never had an RROD or YLOD and at every launch their is always issues as far as kinks that come up after the launch. It all gets worked out.

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Well, that's one opinion. Here's another, quite positive one from an IGN editor:

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/11/06/ryse-son-of-romes-redemption

For sure there's gonna be a write up for your taste.

I found more than one blog editor with positive impressions of that 3 level demo. The game is obviously not for everyone, but then no game is. I'm interested in seeing reviews of the full game.

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MS have stated that you don't want to plug a console into it. Too much lag.

That's lag added by running it through its scaler while the console is in operation. I'm hoping that when its in its lowest STANDBY state that it's a passive switch which doesn't process or in any way delay the signal's output.
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Ecological responsible! Funny. How much energy went into making that Roku 3 when you already have multiple devices that do the same thing? Or you leaving your TiVo on 24/7? Ha!
As far as a $$ stand point lets pretend that the x360 uses 103.5watts while streaming. 0.1kWh * 4hrs/day * 365days * $0.095kWh = $13.87 a year of savings using the Roku. Would take ~7years to make your money back off the Roku. If anything, the Roku 3 just gives you a better reason to never turn it off. biggrin.gif

I don't care what the savings is--you're burning the energy completely unnecessarily so that you can change channels with your voice and take Skype calls while watching TV. There are over 700 streaming channels on the Roku 3, many of which aren't available through anything else other than perhaps a PC. DVRs are usually left on 24-7 so that you can record things in the middle of the night without remembering that you set up to record them. I have reasons for running those things and would have none for consuming power with my Xbox in order to add trivial convenience features. YMMV.

Also 9 cents a kWh? Where the hell do you live? It's usually over 15 cents/kWh here in San Diego.

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That's lag added by running it through its scaler while the console is in operation. I'm hoping that when its in its lowest STANDBY state that it's a passive switch which doesn't process or in any way delay the signal's output.
I don't care what the savings is--you're burning the energy completely unnecessarily so that you can change channels with your voice and take Skype calls while watching TV. There are over 700 streaming channels on the Roku 3, many of which aren't available through anything else other than perhaps a PC. DVRs are usually left on 24-7 so that you can record things in the middle of the night without remembering that you set up to record them. I have reasons for running those things and would have none for consuming power with my Xbox in order to add trivial convenience features. YMMV.

Also 9 cents a kWh? Where the hell do you live? It's usually over 15 cents/kWh here in San Diego.

I pay over 20c/kWh in Long Island. I bought a kill a watt meter to measure everything I could, because even just a few watts idling 24/7 really adds up over the year. I've purged every single incandescent lightbulb from my house years ago. Even still my power bill is like $100 a month for a small house. 14W is crazy, my PC idles in standby at 1W. Nothing else I own even comes close.

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A hundred bucks a month for a smallish house isn't bad. I pay more than that for my 2 bedroom apt and I'm at 12c/kWh. My previous two houses were in the range of 200/mo on average. They were also two story and had inefficient ac units but still I've never really worried about power bills. I can always find ways to save other ways if it means I can have my electronics at the ready when I want.
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So you have Gold and you designate a console as your primary console. Any gamer tag that logs onto that console has Gold privileges. That primary console will always be that way. You don't have to sign in, people can access Gold features. I doubt it applies to sales and the marketplace stuff. More for Netflix, online multplayer, etc.

You go to another Xbox One, you log into that system, everyone has Gold privileges on that console while you're logged in. The primary console at home still has Gold privileges always. You leave, the Gold privileges leave with you.

So if your kid has Gold and you don't plan to, designate him and trail his "Gold halo".

Can you think of any disadvantages to putting one of my kids as the primary guy on the XB1 that is technically mine ? Something that could one day down the road come back to bite me in azz ? I'm assuming that you can change who the primary gamertag is on a console a certain number of times per year, because what if people sell their console to somebody else. So, I'm thinking they have to allow you to change that at some point.
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Can you think of any disadvantages to putting one of my kids as the primary guy on the XB1 that is technically mine ? Something that could one day down the road come back to bite me in azz ? I'm assuming that you can change who the primary gamertag is on a console a certain number of times per year, because what if people sell their console to somebody else. So, I'm thinking they have to allow you to change that at some point.

They have a FAQ at Xbox.com with all the information for both the 360 and Xbox One. It sounds like you just need to look through all that is available to see.

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A hundred bucks a month for a smallish house isn't bad. I pay more than that for my 2 bedroom apt and I'm at 12c/kWh. My previous two houses were in the range of 200/mo on average. They were also two story and had inefficient ac units but still I've never really worried about power bills. I can always find ways to save other ways if it means I can have my electronics at the ready when I want.

Sure, but it's only $100 because I'm a nazi about wasting power. When it comes down to it, they're asking me to pay $20+ year for the convenience of turning on my Xbox 3 seconds earlier than if I had waited to cross the room, grab the controller and press a button. There convenience, and then there's lunacy. I guess it might be worth it for the four people who won't be using a controller with their X1, but altogether it's hundreds of millions of dollars of wasted electricity over the systems lifetime.

FWIW, the original Wii was just as bad. It burned like 10W idle, so you can update the stupid news and weather channel no one used. Billions of dollars of waste worldwide for an even stupider, more useless feature.

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Sure, but it's only $100 because I'm a nazi about wasting power. When it comes down to it, they're asking me to pay $20+ year for the convenience of turning on my Xbox 3 seconds earlier than if I had waited to cross the room, grab the controller and press a button. There convenience, and then there's lunacy. I guess it might be worth it for the four people who won't be using a controller with their X1, but altogether it's hundreds of millions of dollars of wasted electricity over the systems lifetime.

FWIW, the original Wii was just as bad. It burned like 10W idle, so you can update the stupid news and weather channel no one used. Billions of dollars of waste worldwide for an even stupider, more useless feature.

Won't it also allow you to instantly start your game where you left off? that alone is enough of a reason to me.
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...cross the room, grab the controller and press a button.

I turn my 360 on and off with IR commands from my Harmony One which is always in easy reach of where I sit. If I'm going to rent an Xbox Video title or play most Kinect games I don't activate a controller. I assume that the Xbox One will also respond to a set of IR remote commands as well.

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Won't it also allow you to instantly start your game where you left off? that alone is enough of a reason to me.

We don't have enough information. If you start the Xbox from its lowest power STANDBY state, can you restart a game that you were playing quickly from "checkpointed" information? If so, how fast is that? Is there a lower power mode where you have the Kinect powered off (no "Xbox On") but it's awake enough to occasionally check for updates and apply them? How much less power does that use?

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Sure, but it's only $100 because I'm a nazi about wasting power. When it comes down to it, they're asking me to pay $20+ year for the convenience of turning on my Xbox 3 seconds earlier than if I had waited to cross the room, grab the controller and press a button. There convenience, and then there's lunacy. I guess it might be worth it for the four people who won't be using a controller with their X1, but altogether it's hundreds of millions of dollars of wasted electricity over the systems lifetime.

FWIW, the original Wii was just as bad. It burned like 10W idle, so you can update the stupid news and weather channel no one used. Billions of dollars of waste worldwide for an even stupider, more useless feature.

No doubt I can understand the flip side to the argument about wasting power. I'm not saying I don't care only I guess I don't see it as a waste when I'm spending a few bucks extra a month. It does add up though, sure, but I just can't seem to muster up enough care to really be upset over it. I'll probably see how my use situation works out once I get the system. If I see enough of a reason to leave it in that always ready state I'll keep it on otherwise I'll probably do like I do with the 360 and PS3 and just turn it on and off with a controller. I'd be fine with the system waking up at night and updating info, same as the PS3 does now with PS+.
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You know, I was just thinking... is it just me or do is there still a ton of information that we simply don't know about the system, considering that it's coming out in a little over two weeks? I mean, pretty much any non-gaming functionality is still a giant unknown at this point. Nobody knows which cable (or satellite) boxes it'll work with, which video streaming apps will be there at launch, or which features will be there for connecting to Windows 8.1 (we know about DLNA, but will the One retain the "Play on Xbox" option for Xbox Music and Video? and will it maybe support Miracast like 8.1 does?).

Again, maybe it's just me, but it seems a little crazy how many questions there still are at this point.

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That's kind of my thought. When I go to bed at night or leave for work, I'll put it in the lowest powered state possible to still receive os/game updates. But when I'm at home, I want to be able to start it up instantly and start playing. I don't have much game time anymore, so the quicker I can start the better.

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The game resume feature shouldn't require that much power. It shouldn't be radically different that a PC's S3 (suspend to ram) power state, which burns like 1W, and pops right back to where you left off in a second. Any sort of background downloading requires to be powered on in some way, but 14W for that is still kind of crazy in this day and age.

The vast majority of that power has got to be from keeping the kinect powered on and processing everything it hears. Hopefully you can just disable that feature and have the standby power drop to something more reasonable.

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Can you think of any disadvantages to putting one of my kids as the primary guy on the XB1 that is technically mine ? Something that could one day down the road come back to bite me in azz ? I'm assuming that you can change who the primary gamertag is on a console a certain number of times per year, because what if people sell their console to somebody else. So, I'm thinking they have to allow you to change that at some point.

This is an easy one. The answer is no risk as long as you monitor what is happening on that console closely. You'll get plenty of technical "head's up" from others here. So I'll give some practical advice, based on personal experience.

When my son was in Japan with the Air Force a few years back. He bought a Xbox 360 for my grandson to stay connected with me through XBL and games. The kid got really good and expanded his online multiplayer circle of friends way beyond me. He and his friends gamed with and against groups from all over the world. Well wouldn't you know it...a friend in his gaming group from somewhere in Europe started saying provocative things to him. And to some of the other kids on his friend list. Then the creep started to send all kind of kid porn pictures and links. When informed of this by my grandson, my son was enraged. He immediately reported the person and content to MS and the FBI for immediate resolution. MS apparently tracked the person down...banned him for life...and reported him to local authorities. Fortunately my son was vigilant about this. If he wasn't...the authorities could easily have concluded he was involved. Because as we all know now. They most assuredly was monitoring the activity. Especially since the Master XBL account was in my son's name. And his son was only 10 years old at the time. Plus my son had a pretty serious assignment on that base. So moral to the story...the system attracts the Good...Bad...and Ugly. So you better be sure how it is being used throughout the chain. Your biggest risks are social and financial, IMO, if you don't monitor activity from the console to your kid. Or at least have it set to the right safety settings. Because MS designed the console to be interconnected with Mobile, Windows and other platforms. You could easily lose control. Especially with teenagers. And end up with the NSA or FBI boys knocking on your door, asking scary questions.
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...I don't see it as a waste when I'm spending a few bucks extra a month. It does add up though, sure, but I just can't seem to muster up enough care to really be upset over it.

It's not the cost which bothers me. As I originally stated, I consider it to be ecologically irresponsible, not economically (though it may be both). Is being able to snap a Skype call or IE window up beside your TV picture worth burning whatever energy it costs to run the box in that mode? IMO its a waste of natural resources; again, YMMV.

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It's not the cost which bothers me. As I originally stated, I consider it to be ecologically irresponsible, not economically (though it may be both). Is being able to snap a Skype call or IE window up beside your TV picture worth burning whatever energy it costs to run the box in that mode? ......................

eek.gifeek.gif of course it is!! biggrin.gif

Although I am all for saving energy but i will only go so far. What I have a problem with is some people that complain about their electric bills being so high, yet they continue to use incandescent bulbs that really waste energy. i do think you can get to the point of diminshing returns. i switched to all flourescent, but it's not worth it for me to switch to LED for just a few watts savings. From incandescent to Flourescent was a huge difference since it was at least a 50 watts savings for every bulb I replaced.

I don't think I will worry about the XBOne power usage unless it is some crazy amount when in standby.

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Although I am all for saving energy but i will only go so far. What I have a problem with is some people that complain about their electric bills being so high, yet they continue to use incandescent bulbs that really waste energy. i do think you can get to the point of diminshing returns. i switched to all flourescent, but it's not worth it for me to switch to LED for just a few watts savings. From incandescent to Flourescent was a huge difference since it was at least a 50 watts savings for every bulb I replaced.

I don't think I will worry about the XBOne power usage unless it is some crazy amount when in standby.

Yeah, my power bill went down a lot when I did that. But you don't keep your light bulbs on 24/7, most of the time they're off when it's light outside, you're not home, you're sleeping etc. The Xbox burning 14W 24/7 would prob have an equivalent impact to your power bill as switching a few bulbs back to incandescent.

I can understand how some see the value in the feature, even if I don't see the point. But they should really consider implementing some sort of schedule, there's no reason kinect needs to be on and listening at 3am....it's not an insignificant amount of power. Over 5 years it'll end up costing you an additional $100 or so. Is that feature really worth $100 to anyone?

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$100 over 5 years? $1.66 a month?

I don't think most people even blink an eye at that.
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$100 over 5 years? $1.66 a month?

I don't think most people even blink an eye at that.

Nah, but if you asked people whether they'd rather have two years of XBL gold for free, or the ability to power on your Xbox with your voice, it would be a landslide in favor of free XBL. That's basically the choice you're making.
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I can't believe there are people complaining about power consumption. The Standby Mode is a feature of the box. That is one of the selling points of the Xbox, voice integration and home theater control. I for one can't wait to walk into my man cave and say Xbox On and have everything power up.

The price for power consumption is minimal. Most people spend more than that amount on their Starbucks in the morning. Lets move on.
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Nah, but if you asked people whether they'd rather have two years of XBL gold for free, or the ability to power on your Xbox with your voice, it would be a landslide in favor of free XBL. That's basically the choice you're making.
Not really the same. Try a car analogy
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The Standby Mode is a feature of the box. That is one of the selling points of the Xbox, voice integration and home theater control. I for one can't wait to walk into my man cave and say Xbox On and have everything power up.

It's a feature, but a wholly unimpressive, useless one. I can do the same thing by picking up my universal remote and pressing a single button. The convenience is less than trivial and not worth any money or expansion of my carbon footprint smile.gif. Again, YMMV.

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At least 14W is reasonable compared to the 60W my receiver burns when you turn HDMI-CEC on. All just so it can power your TV on when you turn the receiver on.

Everyone should own a kill a watt, they're like 30 bucks...you'll be shocked at how much power some stuff uses and wastes. It pays for itself almost immediately.
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This is silly, if you don't like the carbon footprint when in standby then turn it off lol:D
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This is silly, if you don't like the carbon footprint when in standby then turn it off lol:D

I will keep it in the low power (.5W) STANDBY state and use my universal remote turn it on, which I won't be doing just to watch television. This whole argument started when someone criticized my statement that watching television through the Xbox was ecologically irresponsible. I stand by that opinion.

One advantage of pressing "Watch Xbox" on my universal remote is that I can do it at any time. If I've been watching a movie on my BD player and do it, the remote knows that my AVR and television are already on and turns off the BDP while switching the AVR input to the Xbox and turning the Xbox on if I wanted it to (I prefer to turn the Xbox on and off with explicit commands so that I can pause the game that I'm playing and switch to something else briefly). I'm thinking that the Xbox One can't be used to control the other things in my A/V system and if I use it to turn my AVR and television on my universal remote will lose track of the system's state.

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I get that people want to minimize the cost of doing whatever it is they do, or that they've got an eco-reason for reducing power consumption, but it all does sound sorta ridiculous in the context of home theater video gaming. First world problem right? How many kW-hrs do we all use checking out AVSforum per year? biggrin.gif

FWIW the EPA released an Energy Star spec for game consoles earlier this year. I didn't study it too carefully but it lists only 0.5W for standby mode, which is identified to be "...is not providing any primary or secondary function and has no saved hardware state. The Game Console has no active network link although may be capable of charging devices in this mode." What's been described for the One's standby capabilities it doesn't sound like this would apply. The next mode is "navigation" which is allowed 40W. I can't find any information if either the One or PS4 are Energy Star compliant.

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