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Yea. The life like implementation of the reflections is what gets me. Something as simple as my gold colored arms...when viewing my character in the menu screen and rotating, the reflection that comes off just the gold is like a realistic glint you would expect.

I hope this is the standard (at least for games) other studios strive for.
I have no plans to get Destiny 2 but I downloaded the demo and played it for a while when the HDR patch came out. I agree, this is the way I expect HDR to look. More natural and realistic, and the way I hope games and movies look - at least ones that aren't supposed to have a cartoony asthetic anyway.


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Okay last attempt....

Asked multiple times to get example of what possible signal would require more bandwith and never got it. That's because there is not a signal that requires more bandwith.
For audio, My Xbox is set up to output 7.1 uncompressed it isn't doing any bit rate sampling.
I've already been to the HDMI thread, it's how i arrived at the Monoprice cables for all my other devices.
I'm not going back over there as there's no point.
Not doing research on a topic that you can't give an example for.
No research needed anyway. Apparently Microsoft only built the cable with the resolutions and bit depths that the XB1X provides and it doesn't work with any other resolutions outside of that! Maybe he thinks it's an "intelligent" cable and MS configured it to only allow what the 1X outputs! Proof that it works at the highest bandwidth and all lower bandwidths is irrelevant. People think what they want. They read something on the internet and no longer have to think for themselves. Unfortunately, as was pointed out, others come to these threads and read something from someone posting proven wrong information and then make a wrong decision off of it. Personally, as long as the cable works with my 1X, that's all I care about. And I don't think anyone is going out and buying a 1X to get the cable from it. Regardless, if someone is going to post a biased opinion as fact, it's not going to go over well.

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I'll stick to 8-bit output with YCC 4:4:2 enabled on my Xbox One X on my 75Z9D until I hear otherwise, since it hasn't been proven to affect anything but only make output signals more compatible across various configurations.
I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this but on my TV (Samsung KS) setting the Xbox One X to 8-bit color introduces obvious color banding. I first noticed it on the green Xbox One loading screen when you turn it on. I've also noticed banding on different screens on the dashboard. I haven't had a chance to test any non-HDR games to see if there is banding but I did run a test with Insects demo and banding is very apparent when 8-bit color is selected in the settings. You may have to uncheck the HDR box to force 8-bit color since this game is HDR capable.

I plan to run more tests with non-HDR content since those should be those only ones affected. If the banding is consistent with other non-HDR content then 12-bit color will be best choice for my TV. The chroma subsampling won't be 4:4:4 though. If you must have it then you can get 12-bit 4:4:4 by forcing 1080p and have your TV do the upscaling but it could add input lag depending on your TV.
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I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this but on my TV (Samsung KS) setting the Xbox One X to 8-bit color introduces obvious color banding. I first noticed it on the green Xbox One loading screen when you turn it on. I've also noticed banding on different screens on the dashboard. I haven't had a chance to test any non-HDR games to see if there is banding but I did run a test with Insects demo and banding is very apparent when 8-bit color is selected in the settings. You may have to uncheck the HDR box to force 8-bit color since this game is HDR capable.

I plan to run more tests with non-HDR content since those should be those only ones affected. If the banding is consistent with other non-HDR content then 12-bit color will be best choice for my TV. The chroma subsampling won't be 4:4:4 though. If you must have it then you can get 12-bit 4:4:4 by forcing 1080p and have your TV do the upscaling but it could add input lag depending on your TV.
I've never seen banding on my Sony Z regardless of source but that said, from Vincent's video, he showed adjusting the color bit depth didn't have any affect on the Xbox Dashboard and setting it higher, it was still outputting at 8 bit unless he started a source that went higher.
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There was an initial issue to the XB1 X as far as content goes... It was rapidly fixed via update.
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I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this but on my TV (Samsung KS) setting the Xbox One X to 8-bit color introduces obvious color banding. I first noticed it on the green Xbox One loading screen when you turn it on. I've also noticed banding on different screens on the dashboard. I haven't had a chance to test any non-HDR games to see if there is banding but I did run a test with Insects demo and banding is very apparent when 8-bit color is selected in the settings. You may have to uncheck the HDR box to force 8-bit color since this game is HDR capable.

I plan to run more tests with non-HDR content since those should be those only ones affected. If the banding is consistent with other non-HDR content then 12-bit color will be best choice for my TV. The chroma subsampling won't be 4:4:4 though. If you must have it then you can get 12-bit 4:4:4 by forcing 1080p and have your TV do the upscaling but it could add input lag depending on your TV.
Could you post a picture of color banding at 8-bit, and then no banding when set to 10-bit please? A visual example would be very useful for the forum... thanks!
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Lol I got one for my son for Christmas but after watching him play...now I want one for my own!
Awesome. Great machine. Have fun friend.
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Thanks for the video.

Wish my TV provided that level of HDMI signal info....hell I wish mine provided something more than resolution and refresh rate =P Oh well price I get for going budget.
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I've never seen banding on my Sony Z regardless of source but that said, from Vincent's video, he showed adjusting the color bit depth didn't have any affect on the Xbox Dashboard and setting it higher, it was still outputting at 8 bit unless he started a source that went higher.
I wouldn't expect banding on the Sony because from what I read it does very well in that area. The reason the Xbox outputs only 8 bit color while on the dashboard in the video is because the top speed of the HDMI on Epson projector he was using is 10.2Gbps and the most it can accept 8 bit color at 4K60. Our TVs' HDMIs are 18Gbps and can accept up to 12 bit color at 4K60 so the Xbox will output 12 bit color to our TVs.

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Could you post a picture of color banding at 8-bit, and then no banding when set to 10-bit please? A visual example would be very useful for the forum... thanks!
I'll try to snap a pic or two when I get a chance. It's a simple check though if someone else wants to give it a go. If anyone else uses a Denon receiver you check the bit depth of the HDMI signal.
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I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this but on my TV (Samsung KS) setting the Xbox One X to 8-bit color introduces obvious color banding. I first noticed it on the green Xbox One loading screen when you turn it on. I've also noticed banding on different screens on the dashboard. I haven't had a chance to test any non-HDR games to see if there is banding but I did run a test with Insects demo and banding is very apparent when 8-bit color is selected in the settings. You may have to uncheck the HDR box to force 8-bit color since this game is HDR capable.
I've got a Samsung KS8000 (I assume that's what you have as well) and I don't get any banding at 8bit. I have mine set to 8bit and have never seen banding. It sounds like you also use a Denon AVR. In the Denon forum there was some talk recently about banding. They were saying to turn on video Bypass, or set Video Conversion and i/p scaler to Off (depending on your model). I have always had both of those set Off, and never had banding issues. The green XB1 screen is always smooth. I don't know if this will help in your case, but thought I'd throw it out there.
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I've got a Samsung KS8000 (I assume that's what you have as well) and I don't get any banding at 8bit. I have mine set to 8bit and have never seen banding. It sounds like you also use a Denon AVR. In the Denon forum there was some talk recently about banding. They were saying to turn on video Bypass, or set Video Conversion and i/p scaler to Off (depending on your model). I have always had both of those set Off, and never had banding issues. The green XB1 screen is always smooth. I don't know if this will help in your case, but thought I'd throw it out there.

Thanks for that. I'll try it out.
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Thanks...trying to convince myself that I really really need it!!! What do you think in regards to 4k blu ray playback...if I get I would move the m8500.

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Thanks...trying to convince myself that I really really need it!!! What do you think in regards to 4k blu ray playback...if I get I would move the m8500.
It does playback very well. And word is the one big issue that is still lingering (RGB conversion for HDR) is possibly being addressed in Beta preview.

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I wouldn't expect banding on the Sony because from what I read it does very well in that area. The reason the Xbox outputs only 8 bit color while on the dashboard in the video is because the top speed of the HDMI on Epson projector he was using is 10.2Gbps and the most it can accept 8 bit color at 4K60. Our TVs' HDMIs are 18Gbps and can accept up to 12 bit color at 4K60 so the Xbox will output 12 bit color to our TVs.



I'll try to snap a pic or two when I get a chance. It's a simple check though if someone else wants to give it a go. If anyone else uses a Denon receiver you check the bit depth of the HDMI signal.
I too would be interested in a pic of the difference of the 8bit vs 10bit colour setting banding on the Xbox one X. I have the xbox one X and the denon 6300.

As Lone Wolf suggested, I disabled Video conversion in my denon settings, but I don't seem to see any change in picture quality besides the fact that the settings menu and info button take forever to come up now - and display on an all black screen instead of an overlay.
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It does playback very well. And word is the one big issue that is still lingering (RGB conversion for HDR) is possibly being addressed in Beta preview.

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Awesome that's good to know...made my decision easier! This one will be paired with my C7! It looks phenomenal on my p series, can't wait to see what it looks like on the oled!
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Thanks...trying to convince myself that I really really need it!!! What do you think in regards to 4k blu ray playback...if I get I would move the m8500.
It's a Fantastic player. Have paired up with my 65" C7. Absolutely love it.
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So I pinpointed my issue with the banding. The color depth selection only makes a difference when the Xbox One X is set to output 1080p. I could not find any visible differences when the resolution is set to 4K. I don't imagine this will be an issue with most folks. I have external video processing for 1080p content that I prefer to use instead of having the Xbox One X upscale non-4K/HDR content. If for some reason anyone has the resolution set to 1080p you might want see what the different color depths look like on you TV. I attached some pictures showing the differences between 8-bit and 10/12-bit at 1080p. The first picture of each pair the 8-bit color and the second is 12-bit color. I did not notice a difference between 10-bit and 12-bit.
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So I pinpointed my issue with the banding. The color depth selection only makes a difference when the Xbox One X is set to output 1080p. I could not find any visible differences when the resolution is set to 4K. I don't imagine this will be an issue with most folks. I have external video processing for 1080p content that I prefer to use instead of having the Xbox One X upscale non-4K/HDR content. If for some reason anyone has the resolution set to 1080p you might want see what the different color depths look like on you TV. I attached some pictures showing the differences between 8-bit and 10/12-bit at 1080p. The first picture of each pair the 8-bit color and the second is 12-bit color. I did not notice a difference between 10-bit and 12-bit.
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It's a Fantastic player. Have paired up with my 65" C7. Absolutely love it.
Thanks buddie...will be picking one up today...can you please pm me the settings you use for gaming on the c7 and any tips...thanks!!!
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So I pinpointed my issue with the banding. The color depth selection only makes a difference when the Xbox One X is set to output 1080p. I could not find any visible differences when the resolution is set to 4K. I don't imagine this will be an issue with most folks. I have external video processing for 1080p content that I prefer to use instead of having the Xbox One X upscale non-4K/HDR content. If for some reason anyone has the resolution set to 1080p you might want see what the different color depths look like on you TV. I attached some pictures showing the differences between 8-bit and 10/12-bit at 1080p. The first picture of each pair the 8-bit color and the second is 12-bit color. I did not notice a difference between 10-bit and 12-bit.
Weird. Definitely not seeing this issue with mine on 1080p and 8bit

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Just installed destiny 2 with my 75” Sony z9. Wow. Wow. Most impressive 4k hdr since horizon zero dawn
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GF got me an XB1X for Xmas and have been enjoying it so far. I have a question on the settings for the audio. I went back a few pages to not be that lazy and mainly saw bickering over video settings. So far in that dept I have no complaints. I am using a Sharp Aquos Q+ 70"UQ series I bought back in early 2015. Basically a 1080p TV that accepts a 4K signal , although when I ran the 4K check on it the XB1X said it is 4K but some things arent available yadda yadda. I have been playing GOW4 the past few days and have been impressed by how it looks , but I am more of a basshead than a videophile , 4 18's in the living room really let the place have it lol.
Anyhow my question relates to Atmos. I am running a 5.2.2 setup thru an atmos/dts AVR and I downloaded the Dolby Atmos app for the X and it told to me switch to bitstream out and dolby atmos. Now when I switch to bitstream out , the sound goes silent and from then on no matter what setting I select there is nothing. Only way I get sound is thru stereo uncompressed , which sounds good , but im not sure if there is something im missing? I run the Atmos demos and definitely get a 3D effect in the room , I just want to make sure hearing all of what the X is capable of. Ive ran thru every setting on both the X and AVR a couple times and only get the stereo uncompressed to output. I even checked the Bluray option to "let AVR decode".
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Guys here is a Video from Vincent on best settings for the XB1 X for video output.


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Is this with Standard color space or PC RGB?

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Weird. Definitely not seeing this issue with mine on 1080p and 8bit

Thanks for checking. That must mean it's something to do with my setup. I'll send Microsoft a note just in case it's a bug with the OS.
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GF got me an XB1X for Xmas and have been enjoying it so far. I have a question on the settings for the audio. I went back a few pages to not be that lazy and mainly saw bickering over video settings. So far in that dept I have no complaints. I am using a Sharp Aquos Q+ 70"UQ series I bought back in early 2015. Basically a 1080p TV that accepts a 4K signal , although when I ran the 4K check on it the XB1X said it is 4K but some things arent available yadda yadda. I have been playing GOW4 the past few days and have been impressed by how it looks , but I am more of a basshead than a videophile , 4 18's in the living room really let the place have it lol.


Anyhow my question relates to Atmos. I am running a 5.2.2 setup thru an atmos/dts AVR and I downloaded the Dolby Atmos app for the X and it told to me switch to bitstream out and dolby atmos. Now when I switch to bitstream out , the sound goes silent and from then on no matter what setting I select there is nothing. Only way I get sound is thru stereo uncompressed


How is your Xbox connected to your AVR? I believe ATMOS requires an HDMI connection, not optical. And are you direct between them, or are you going through the TV first (using ARC from the TV to the AVR)?
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How is your Xbox connected to your AVR? I believe ATMOS requires an HDMI connection, not optical. And are you direct between them, or are you going through the TV first (using ARC from the TV to the AVR)?
Supplied XB1X HDMI to game input on my Onkyo TX-NR646 , then out to TV for picture. I have the listening mode on the AVR set to Dolby Surround , and have tried with it set to DTS , but still only get sound if im using Stereo Unc.
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My Denon has a config setting whereby I tell it if my .2 speakers are back surround or Atmos front/mid high. If I don't have them setup as Atmos, I'm not sure it'll let me select Atmos mode. Does your Onkyo have something similar?
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My Denon has a config setting whereby I tell it if my .2 speakers are back surround or Atmos front/mid high. If I don't have them setup as Atmos, I'm not sure it'll let me select Atmos mode. Does your Onkyo have something similar?
FYI: I have a Denon x4200 and I'm only using a 5.1 speaker set up with no speakers designated as atmos speakers. The receiver will still display "Dolby Atmos" when that is the signal it is receiving.

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Are the other options greyed out? And only allow you the stereo uncompressed?
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Hi all,

I also have some major color banding issues with Denon AVR x1400H and the Xbox One X + LG OLED B6.

Xbox One X: all enabled in video settings to play HDR games, in this case The Witcher 3 with the new patch.
x1400H: 4k signal mode = enhanced for 10 bit hdr
LG B6: Deep Color enabled on the HDMI port

Basically, 8-bit 1080p/4K = no color banding at all (HDR and YCC 4:2:2 disabled).
HDR BT.2020 extreme color banding (Pixel depth never show in the AVR HDMI INFO screen when using HDR) (HDR and YCC 4:2:2 enabled)
Common factor as I have seen, is that when the AVR does not display the pixel depth, I will get strange colors or not the correct view on either HDR / SDR content.

So for now, I have to disable HDR on the Xbox due to the banding.
It also seems like the Xbox will never use 4:2:2, I only see 8/10bit and 4:2:0 with 1080P/4K via the AVR info.
Like others, I have color banding on the Insect demo with HDR enabled, none with HDR off.

I even entered HDMI Diagnostic and set "no limit" on the 4K signal on GAME HDMI Input on the AVR, seems like 4k Signal Enhanced is setting the limit to 4K30.

Pretty sure its a bug on MS side with the Xbox and how the YCC 4:2:2 behaves, as I've never seen it actually kick in. Also the Denon AVR struggles with banding somehow.

When I connect the Xbox directly to the TV, with HDR and YCC 4:2:2 enabled, it is NO banding either. But then I can't see pixel depth via the AVR.

Anyone have some briliant ideas on what I can test next?
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