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Has their ever been development of HDR tone mapping for the Xbox 1x like Oppo 203 or panny 820?
Seems the chip horsepower should be there, need coding.
This would really up the visual pq for the 1x.


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I have Netflix with Dolby vision on my X working fine.

I also noticed yesterday that the Vudu app is trying to play movies in Dolby vision as well but most movies selected crash and give a playback error

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Thanks. Is the xbox connected to the avr or TV directly?

Looks like I have some diagnosing to do. Anyone with a Vizio have Netflix Dolby vision working from the Xbox one x?

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Thanks. Is the xbox connected to the avr or TV directly?

Looks like I have some diagnosing to do. Anyone with a Vizio have Netflix Dolby vision working from the Xbox one x?

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I have 2 setups

Living room it's connected though pioneer AVR & bedroom is direct to tv

Both trough HDMI 3

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Thanks. I did some additional diagnosing last night (multiple "high speed" certified cables), reset TV, reinstall Netflix app etc.... all seem to produce the washed out Dolby Vision result in Netflix from teh one x to the Vizio Quantum X. I'm binning it as a Vizio problem in accepting the "low latency" Dolby Vision Xbox uses, despite claiming they support it. Perhaps it will be fixed in a future firmware update.

Of course if anyone seeing this has a Vizio set that has DV working using the Netflix app on Xbox I'd love to know (i.e. means I have a defective TV).
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All LG 2017 OLEDs Calibrated Profiles updated to v7.2.3 , with the following changes:

  • NEW HDR Game calibration (Option 1) , still based on High DC but with the following fixes:
    -No more black crush while preserving true blacks (with Brightness: 55);​
    -No more washed out or "weird" colors (with Color Gamut: Wide + Color: 50 + Color Temp: W45 + Dynamic Color: HIGH)!​
  • Option 1 is now tagged as "Recommended";
  • Best Sharpness value is back to 10.

No in-game changes needed.

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I was playing around with my X1X last night and because I simply do not use it for streaming local Rips from my NAS, I decided to check out the updated clients such as Plex and Kodi.


My Nvidia Shield is my "goto" device for pretty much everything, and my Oppo 203 has been a solid Roon Endpoint for streaming Audio. Both devices are subperb video players as well, with the Oppo having an edge regarding picture quality.


I installed Plex on my X1X, and as with my findings in the past, the performance was terrible. I was playing UHD Rips of Alien:Covenant and Blade Runner 2049. I checked the status of the player on my Plex Web interface, and while the video was set to "Direct Play" the audio was being transcoded. Plus video playback was choppy at times. So not much of an update with Plex.


I decided to Install Kodi (Leia 18.3). I didn't want to play around with NFS Shares to between my NAS and X1X so i decided to install the Plex addon for Kodi. A Major improvement in performance. Both audio and video were set to "Direct Play", BUT no HDR. However the HDR to SDR conversion looked very good, especially with Alien:Convenant.


So Plex Playback of UHD Content - Video - Direct Play
                                                   Audio - Transcode (Lossless Audio formats)
                                                   HDR10
Poor playback performance



Kodi with Plex Addon Playback of UHD Content- Video - Direct Play
                                                                       Audio - Direct Play (Lossless Audio Formats)
                                                                       No HDR10
Excellent Playback performance



Now with the X1X of course, all audio is set to Atmos, as my AVR indicates this audio setting using various apps or games, but checking the status on my Plex web interface, Direct Play for both audio and video are present. This occurs when using the Plex addon for Kodi.


So I still cannot recommend the XBox One X as a Media Player if playback of Local BD Rips of both HD and UHD with Lossless Audio content is a requirement. But the Plex Add-on for Kodi is right at the finish line, if only HDR was supported.




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I'm surprised to hear that. I've never noticed stuttering through plex on Xbox.

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I was playing around with my X1X last night and because I simply do not use it for streaming local Rips from my NAS, I decided to check out the updated clients such as Plex and Kodi.


My Nvidia Shield is my "goto" device for pretty much everything, and my Oppo 203 has been a solid Roon Endpoint for streaming Audio. Both devices are subperb video players as well, with the Oppo having an edge regarding picture quality.


I installed Plex on my X1X, and as with my findings in the past, the performance was terrible. I was playing UHD Rips of Alien:Covenant and Blade Runner 2049. I checked the status of the player on my Plex Web interface, and while the video was set to "Direct Play" the audio was being transcoded. Plus video playback was choppy at times. So not much of an update with Plex.


I decided to Install Kodi (Leia 18.3). I didn't want to play around with NFS Shares to between my NAS and X1X so i decided to install the Plex addon for Kodi. A Major improvement in performance. Both audio and video were set to "Direct Play", BUT no HDR. However the HDR to SDR conversion looked very good, especially with Alien:Convenant.


So Plex Playback of UHD Content - Video - Direct Play
Audio - Transcode (Lossless Audio formats)
HDR10
Poor playback performance



Kodi with Plex Addon Playback of UHD Content- Video - Direct Play
Audio - Direct Play (Lossless Audio Formats)
No HDR10
Excellent Playback performance



Now with the X1X of course, all audio is set to Atmos, as my AVR indicates this audio setting using various apps or games, but checking the status on my Plex web interface, Direct Play for both audio and video are present. This occurs when using the Plex addon for Kodi.


So I still cannot recommend the XBox One X as a Media Player if playback of Local BD Rips of both HD and UHD with Lossless Audio content is a requirement. But the Plex Add-on for Kodi is right at the finish line, if only HDR was supported.




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Were you able to use audio passthrough to an AVR for decoding? I thought MS didn't allow audio passthrough on 3rd party apps like Kodi?
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Were you able to use audio passthrough to an AVR for decoding? I thought MS didn't allow audio passthrough on 3rd party apps like Kodi?
The Xbox is already set to Bitstream. The Plex app will not bitstream Lossless Audio formats such as Dolby True HD/Atmos or DTSMA/DTS-X.

The Plex Addon for Kodi, and I'm assuming just Kodi as well, will bitstream Lossless audio formats.

Within the Plex web interface, if you check the status of your Xbox client streaming a file, you will see whether or not the audio or video is Transcoding or Direct Play.

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Here are some screenshots of Plex playback with the Xbox One X.

Notice how my AVR states that Dolby Atmos is streaming, while my Plex Web info indicates that the audio is being Transcoding.

This must be Dolby MAT.


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Here are the Plex Add-on for Kodi playback details.

Adding information from my AVR, when a Lossless Atmos track is played, it will display Dolby True HD along with Atmos.

When a Lossy Atmos track is played, it will diplay what you see in the screen shot.

Plex indicates that the audio is set to Direct Play, so I'm wondering if Dolby MAT is taking over for the Audio even though it is set to Passthrough in the Kodi settings.


I also adjusted the Pixel Depth on the Xbox between 8, 10, and 12 bit to see if HDR would engage, but none of those settings worked.

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All LG 2017 OLEDs Calibrated Profiles updated to v7.2.3 , with the following changes:

  • NEW HDR Game calibration (Option 1) , still based on High DC but with the following fixes:
    -No more black crush while preserving true blacks (with Brightness: 55);​
    -No more washed out or "weird" colors (with Color Gamut: Wide + Color: 50 + Color Temp: W45 + Dynamic Color: HIGH)!​
  • Option 1 is now tagged as "Recommended";
  • Best Sharpness value is back to 10.

No in-game changes needed.

Give it a try and let me know what you think

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  • A more accurate way to fix the "washed out" colors when Dynamic Contrast: HIGH is activated is now setting Color Gamut: AUTO + Color: 65, with Dynamic Color: OFF;
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Here are some screenshots of Plex playback with the Xbox One X.

Notice how my AVR states that Dolby Atmos is streaming, while my Plex Web info indicates that the audio is being Transcoding.

This must be Dolby MAT.


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Its being double-transcoded - first to AAC (because that fits the offical supported XB formats and the Plex XB profile) at the server end, then to Dolby MAT 2.0 (PCM) at the client end. Since AAC doesnt support Atmos encoding, and since the XB1X Atmos is "Always on for everything" (with bugs and limitations), the actual "Atmos" output (from the XB, especially the height info) is inferred/simulated, at best (if even present).

Definitely less than an ideal Home/LAN DLNA/UPnP streaming experience audio-wise.
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Thank you!!

If I didn't pull up the info from my Marantz AVR, which displayed a "reality check" regarding the audio, then I definitely would have been fooled into thinking the Xbox was streaming the audio using Direct Play.

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Here are the Plex Add-on for Kodi playback details.

Adding information from my AVR, when a Lossless Atmos track is played, it will display Dolby True HD along with Atmos.

When a Lossy Atmos track is played, it will diplay what you see in the screen shot.

Plex indicates that the audio is set to Direct Play, so I'm wondering if Dolby MAT is taking over for the Audio even though it is set to Passthrough in the Kodi settings.


I also adjusted the Pixel Depth on the Xbox between 8, 10, and 12 bit to see if HDR would engage, but none of those settings worked.

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Your text and pictures are a bit confusing, since you mention both lossless and lossy playback, and say that the screenshots show the lossy playback, yet the screenshot of the Plex for Kodi/XB clearly shows a lossless TrueHD/Atmos playback - not lossy.

Maybe include another set of pictures clearly labeled for both lossless and lossy track playback.

Otherwise, yes, the XB1X Dolby Atmos (MAT 2.0) is "Always on" (with the known exception of disc playback where "untouched bitstream" output is allowed), with all known current bugs and limitations.

Its one of the many design choice limitations of the XB architecture that really limit its value as a streaming media client (internet or LAN) - there is an utter lack of settings granularity for video/audio input/output (it really needs some sort of "Advanced/Expert" settings mode with the appropriate nanny warnings for such users/setups).
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The screenshots that display Lossless audio are from the Plex Add-on for Kodi.

When using the native Plex App for the Xbox, the audio is Transcoded (aac).

However, in the grand scheme of things, my AVR tells the real story of what is going on with the audio. It's all Atmos (Dolby MAT).

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Here are screenshots of Playback using the Nvidia Shield.

Notice what my AVR reports back.

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Here are screenshots of Playback using the Xbox One X.

What the AVR is reporting back is the key.

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The Xbox is already set to Bitstream. The Plex app will not bitstream Lossless Audio formats such as Dolby True HD/Atmos or DTSMA/DTS-X.

The Plex Addon for Kodi, and I'm assuming just Kodi as well, will bitstream Lossless audio formats.

Within the Plex web interface, if you check the status of your Xbox client streaming a file, you will see whether or not the audio or video is Transcoding or Direct Play.

It seems you're all about Plex. I don't and never will use Plex for several reasons. I'll check tonight, but I'm pretty sure the Kodi app won't allow bitstreaming in the kodi settings despite what the xbox settings are.
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No those areas to enable bitstreaming are definitely greyed out. But there seems to be more flexibility using Kodi compared to Plex.

Because I did not want to spend the evening tinkering with NFS shares and access, I decided to use the Plex Add-on for Kodi which gives me instant access the my library.


The biggest factor is my discovery in what my AVR was reporting in regards to the Audio. As mentioned by Foxbat in another thread, the Xbox cannot bitstream audio period.

My Plex server was reporting that the audio was set to "Direct Play", while using the Plex Add-on for Kodi. But my AVR just reported that it was Atmos/Atmos, rather than Atmos/Dolby True HD.

One good aspect of this Add-on for Kodi is that it performs much better than the native Plex app on the Xbox in my setup.



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No those areas to enable bitstreaming are definitely greyed out. But there seems to be more flexibility using Kodi compared to Plex.

Because I did not want to spend the evening tinkering with NFS shares and access, I decided to use the Plex Add-on for Kodi which gives me instant access the my library.


The biggest factor is my discovery in what my AVR was reporting in regards to the Audio. As mentioned by Foxbat in another thread, the Xbox cannot bitstream audio period.

My Plex server was reporting that the audio was set to "Direct Play", while using the Plex Add-on for Kodi. But my AVR just reported that it was Atmos/Atmos, rather than Atmos/Dolby True HD.

One good aspect of this Add-on for Kodi is that it performs much better than the native Plex app on the Xbox in my setup.



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I have no idea what you meant after "The biggest factor..." (maybe I don't understand because I don't use Atmos or HD audio)

Also, how does it 'perform' better?
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I have no idea what you meant after "The biggest factor..." (maybe I don't understand because I don't use Atmos or HD audio)

Also, how does it 'perform' better?
The biggest factor meaning my AVR is reporting what's really going on as opposed to what my Plex server is reporting.

When I see my AVR reporting "Dolby Atmos/Dolby Atmos" from my Xbox 1, this means that Dolby MAT has taken over, so no lossless audio. When I see "Dolby Atmos/Dolby TrueHD" from my Nvidia Shield or Oppo 203, this means that Lossless audio is being passed to my AVR untouched.

In my set up Kodi performs much better than Plex when it comes to 1:1 Blu Ray and UHD rips. No choppiness or audio cutouts during Kodi, but with Plex it's pretty bad. When using the Plex addon for Kodi, although I'm accessing my Plex library, all video and audio processes are through Kodi.

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For all LG 2017 OLEDs' users who dislike Dynamic Contrast: HIGH and its negative effects to accuracy and/or who don't care about extra luminance:

NEW - HDR Game (Option 1b) calibrated profile, based on Dynamic Contrast: MEDIUM, has now been added to this post.


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  • Brightness value is a bit higher than default to compensate a very slight black crush (much lesser compared to High DC);
  • Color value is a bit higher to 1:1 match HDR Technicolor saturation.

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No those areas to enable bitstreaming are definitely greyed out. But there seems to be more flexibility using Kodi compared to Plex.

Because I did not want to spend the evening tinkering with NFS shares and access, I decided to use the Plex Add-on for Kodi which gives me instant access the my library.


The biggest factor is my discovery in what my AVR was reporting in regards to the Audio. As mentioned by Foxbat in another thread, the Xbox cannot bitstream audio period.

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The Blu Ray app is a separate entity. My AVR reports Lossless audio from the XBox One only when I use the Blu Ray app.

When local content is played through Plex or Kodi, Atmos (Dolby MAT) takes over and therefore Lossless audio cannot be passed through.

The image is of the Alien 4K disc playing in the Xbox One. My AVR reports DTS Master Audio.

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Would you guys mind to hop on over here and upvote my 3 posts? User _Nismo over there.

They start a new post section each week for Xbox suggestions. The ones with the most upvotes are set in that week as being the most important and then they keep those 3 archived in that week for engineers and PMs to work on these problems. Trying to get awareness on some issues that have been problems for a while now.

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Anyone else having atmos output issues? I had atmos working fine with my onkyo 696. Just recently got the rz840 and now cant get my atmos to work. The info button on reciever says its getting input from the xbox x as "multich pcm" and my receiver is then outputting as "direct 5.1.4". If I try to cycle through sound modes, atmos doesnt come up like it used to.
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Well for a minute, I thought it was my xbox, not the receiver. I saw october 2nd was a patch release for insiders discussing atmos issues, and then streaming Netflix was showing atmos was registering but not outputting as though my receiver wasn't processing. But, I plugged my old one back in and connected xbox to it and got atmos back.

Still could be xbox related as receiver us newer, idk if hdcp 2.3 would have a negative impact, but does seem to be more of the receiver at fault
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Anyone understand ghost recon breakpoint hdr settings? The sliders do almost nothing and do not seem to save.

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So are you saying the Xbox cannot bitstream the lossless audio from Blu-ray Discs anymore?

The disk player app always could bitstream audio, but Kodi, Plex, VLC ect for playing from files can't. I don't know anything about Atmos, Dolby MAT (whatever that is), or even lossless audio because I'm not wealthy.
This is one major reason why I don't use the Xbox as a media player.
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