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Do you live in Colorado or one of the other states that legalized it? You must. Actually released in 2016? As in within the next 23 months? No way. At best an announcement and I doubt even that.

I'm talking about a progressive upgrade. The one isn't going anywhere.

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There's no denying that there's a difference. My thing is that it's not really as major as some like to put it. Most games look the same and the ones that do look different is only marginal in my opinion.


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I'm running both consoles on a 60" and on a 110" (in my HT) and I cannot tell a visual difference between then, but I do prefer the ps4 for no particular reason. I'm not a videophile mind you, so the visual aspect does not drive me like my dark audiophile side. That's another story...

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I'm running both consoles on a 60" and on a 110" (in my HT) and I cannot tell a visual difference between then, but I do prefer the ps4 for no particular reason. I'm not a videophile mind you, so the visual aspect does not drive me like my dark audiophile side. That's another story...
I do love when a game shines on the audio side. I long for the day when games on a regular basis sound as good as the best lossless blu-ray movies.
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I'm running both consoles on a 60" and on a 110" (in my HT) and I cannot tell a visual difference between then, but I do prefer the ps4 for no particular reason. I'm not a videophile mind you, so the visual aspect does not drive me like my dark audiophile side. That's another story...

That's kind off my point. Most games at this point look the same with the exception of a few. I acknowledge that the ps4 is stronger, but when at this point when you come out and say the Xbox is a piece of trash and the ps4 looks way better you can't be taken serious.


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That's kind off my point. Most games at this point look the same with the exception of a few. I acknowledge that the ps4 is stronger, but when at this point when you come out and say the Xbox is a piece of trash and the ps4 looks way better you can't be taken serious.


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I have had a ps4 since launch day and had an xbox one for 9 months before selling it. Theres no contest in my eyes the ps4 versions of almost every game had a clear edge.
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While that article only mentions streaming 4K, it would be a shame to see 4K consoles rushed to market just for that.
Especially that 4K Blu-Ray is on our doorstep. They should really just wait for that to be ready too.
This is really a non-factor for me as dont use my ps4 for streaming amazon/netflix. I prefer to use my roku 3.
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That's kind off my point. Most games at this point look the same with the exception of a few. I acknowledge that the ps4 is stronger, but when at this point when you come out and say the Xbox is a piece of trash and the ps4 looks way better you can't be taken serious.


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Artman it's obvious we won't agree with you just as you won't agree with us. You might as well go back to the Xbox forums.

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Artman it's obvious we won't agree with you just as you won't agree with us. You might as well go back to the Xbox forums.

Dude, I own both consoles and enjoy them both. Read my posts.


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That's kind off my point. Most games at this point look the same with the exception of a few. I acknowledge that the ps4 is stronger, but when at this point when you come out and say the Xbox is a piece of trash and the ps4 looks way better you can't be taken serious.


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Trash is a very viable description. As an example, I would say Apple is junk and not for me as well. I had an iPhone 3G and a 4 I think but then discovered the free world of Android and never looked back. Apple sells trash by comparison imo. Doesn't make the product less functional or useful to someone else though. I know a lot of people on the Apple side who say Android sucks which is perfectly fine. They have their reasons.

Ooh car comparison. Top Gear UK (been watching a lot of this) will call a $150k super car rubbish and list their reasoning. Sometimes I don't agree with parts but the spirit of discussion and debate is to list what you do and don't like and provide a final judgement. I think what many people do though is try to make the other person see eye to eye and admit their wrong instead of just presenting information for discussion be it fact or opinion. Personally I dig a good debate so long as things don't get personal. Its where you either pass knowledge on or get it passed to yourself but the whole console debate has probably ran well past its course.
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Android sucks.
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Not as bad as IOS
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Not as bad as IOS
Android is like a windows you can't fix. Almost every phone comes preloaded with crapware that you can't get rid of. It's laggy and stuttery and you can't upgrade your phone to power through it. It's so non responsive sometimes and that's just not tolerable on a mobile device when you want do something simple in a few seconds. It needs to just work. And my favorite part...a new version of android comes out, and you're at the mercy of your provider to give it to you. **** that.

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Android is like a windows you can't fix. Almost every phone comes preloaded with crapware that you can't get rid of. It's laggy and stuttery and you can't upgrade your phone to power through it. It's so non responsive sometimes and that's just not tolerable on a mobile device when you want do something simple in a few seconds. It needs to just work. And my favorite part...a new version of android comes out, and you're at the mercy of your provider to give it to you. **** that.

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That is the one great thing Apple did. No bloatware BS. Well...and system backups and recovery of basically an image which is compatible across devices. The rest is miserable. Apps can't operate on the same file, got to email it around to switch apps, can't have cool apps like call blockers for the 1-800 shyte I get nearly every day, Google Music app sucks, Music Match only works for what you own, walled garden is in every essence a walled garden, multiple app purchases for tablet and phone instead of one purchase many devices, and on and on...and on. I also have large hands and an iphone is like a toy. So a nice meaty Galaxy is great.

You can disable most of the bloatware so that is a good thing but not as good as removing. The OS update I can partially understand. With Apple they leave that mark on settings that you have an update except if you have an older phone the update may hose your performance. With Android you may be behind a bit but your not bugged to install something that slows your phone down either.

That's why I always liken the Xbox vs the PS debate to Apple vs Android. One is a stodgy old school militaristic though shall like what we give you where the other is a bit wilder but generally has more options but at a cost to friendliness.
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Android is like a windows you can't fix. Almost every phone comes preloaded with crapware that you can't get rid of. It's laggy and stuttery and you can't upgrade your phone to power through it. It's so non responsive sometimes and that's just not tolerable on a mobile device when you want do something simple in a few seconds. It needs to just work. And my favorite part...a new version of android comes out, and you're at the mercy of your provider to give it to you. **** that.

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double downvote. I have a new iPhone and top tier android phone and use both regularly. The android works better and faster 9 out of 10 times. I would have agreed with you more 3 generations ago. Not so much any more. The update issue is annoying, I'll agree with you there. But it had software capabilities 4 years ago that iOS is just now getting. I'll take an update dictated by the carrier for more advanced software.

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I almost think like you. I believe the best phone, console or whatever it is, depends on the user. but I don't think the other option is garbage.

Also I can tell you haven't used ios in awhile.

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I almost think like you. I believe the best phone, console or whatever it is, depends on the user. but I don't think the other option is garbage.

Also I can tell you haven't used ios in awhile.

You like being a non team player and I like being a team player, as long as we are both happy I don't care what you like.
I use ios somewhat frequently. We have ipads at work but their too much overhead to use so out of 6, 3 are collecting dust on my desk and 3 get used for somebodies kids to watch Netflix. I dont have any issues with them but I'm support so I only see them when something doesnt work. For the iPhones I have out in the field the Google Earth app cannot simply open a kmz file from the file system. We have to email the file to the device and open it in GE from there. You can't USB anything but image files where Android lets you put anything on. So its garbage because of all the limitations.

I can toss a kmz file on my Galaxy and open it. That one sentance replaces a paragraph of Apple operations to do the same thing.

Nah I get that things change and I'm sure both iThings and Xthings have improved but from what I've seen my complaints still stand.
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I guess to all that I'd say you can jailbreak an iphone and make it do almost anything android can do, but you can't take the jank out of android.

Android's a lot better than it used to be for sure. My problem is def more with the carriers than android itself, but even stock android has so much google stuff in it that it's kind of bloated as it is. I'm looking forward to being able to install android or win phone as I please on future phones though.

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U can jail break an android also just so ya know. Ios is very limited. Iphone is for people that want a restricted device. I had a iphone 4 yeah couldnt change the ringtone to your own music you BOUGHT from itunes.
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Really it's not android's fault that your chosen mobile carrier requires bloatware to be installed so your under contract phone is impregnated with their crappy ecosystem of applications.

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It's not just the carriers, it's the manufacturers too.

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Let's keep this relevent to the PS4.

Which has longer battery life ?
- a PS4 controller
- an android phone
- neither

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Let's keep this relevent to the PS4.

Which has longer battery life ?
- a PS4 controller
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Ahh but which is more cost effective, an iPhone 64 GB or a 64 GB Vita memory card?
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That is the one great thing Apple did. No bloatware BS. Well...and system backups and recovery of basically an image which is compatible across devices. The rest is miserable.
The best thing about the iOS devices is that things operate pretty smoothly (although the recent iOS 8 didn't seem smooth to me until the latest 8.1.3 patch). The touch is very accurate. The UI is polished and works well, even if some of it seems dated now.

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Apps can't operate on the same file, got to email it around to switch apps, can't have cool apps like call blockers for the 1-800 shyte I get nearly every day,
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Google Music app sucks, Music Match only works for what you own, walled garden is in every essence a walled garden, multiple app purchases for tablet and phone instead of one purchase many devices, and on and on...and on. I also have large hands and an iphone is like a toy. So a nice meaty Galaxy is great.
They make larger iPhones now.

A lot of apps are "universal", for both tablet and phone -- depends on the app maker. Some companies try to gouge more money out of the iPad owners, which is annoying.

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You can disable most of the bloatware so that is a good thing but not as good as removing. The OS update I can partially understand. With Apple they leave that mark on settings that you have an update except if you have an older phone the update may hose your performance. With Android you may be behind a bit but your not bugged to install something that slows your phone down either.
That's why for the very old phones and tablets, they don't bother allowing OS upgrades. If you add more stuff, it's going to take more memory and possibly use more CPU to operate. I was able to upgrade my 4S to the latest, which was fine, but my iPad 2 was sluggish at times until the last patch. Anyway, it's hard to add stuff and have no impact.

Android has come a long way.

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That's why I always liken the Xbox vs the PS debate to Apple vs Android. One is a stodgy old school militaristic though shall like what we give you where the other is a bit wilder but generally has more options but at a cost to friendliness.
Some of us remember Atari vs. Intellivision, or even Jaguar vs. 3DO, and thankfully, people don't care as much anymore. Of course, sometimes the differences were more obvious and drastic back then. If today you say, "It's pretty much the same, but the blacks get a bit crushed," the vast majority just won't care. Back then, advances made huge differences in the 3D quality, fps, etc.

What was this thread about again? ;-)
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What was this thread about again? ;-)
Were discussing the best mobile device with which to run the PSN app on. Its all relative!


Edit: oops I better add "when PSN works" to cover the anti crowd
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Were discussing the best mobile device with which to run the PSN app on. Its all relative!


Edit: oops I better add "when PSN works" to cover the anti crowd

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