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Originally Posted by sage11x
I want to play my classic games on a modern HDTV! I know these are first world problems...
So there doesn't appear to be a really good way to get old systems working on modern TVs.
(*well.. light gun games won't work) The following is a massive post, but a worthwhile read if you want to play SNES on you HD set.
I just got done putting together a new entertainment center. I wanted everything hooked up to the main TV in the house, retro consoles included. This is a matter of opinion of course, but I don't like folks' set ups where it looks like they're living in the stock room of a used game store. With everything on display. I wanted a way to conceal the vintage console equipment but have it quickly accessible. I went with a Besta unit from Ikea, the rail sliders were on clearance for $1 (!)
The modern AV stuff is in the middle of the unit, older stuff on the sides I can just slide a door over if I want to play some SNES or Genesis. I have cheapo controller extension cables purchased off Amazon that can easily reach the couch.
For legacy analog consoles, I am using a X-RGB Mini Framemeister. Purchased from:
(if you order, select the +DT option. That is the component video adapter that will let you plug up stuff like a wii, ps2 etc..)
You will also want the remote control English overlay. Since the remote is in Japanese
The power supply included is a universal voltage type, so you can just plug it in the wall.
I purchased all my RGB Scart cables, and Scart to Framemeister adapter from ebay seller retro_console_accessories. All their stuff is top quality.
Note: When the seller goes on break, weekend etc.. they will unlist items for sale. Just check back on occasion if that's the case.
The adapter included with the framemeister from Micomsoft is wired JP-21 standard. And is incompatible with SCART cables, which is why I ordered the Scart to Framemeister Cable from ebay.
I am unaware of any reliable, cheap, decent sized SCART selector. So.... the cable ends simply sit next to the X-RGB and I plug in as needed.
So with all that out of the way.. was the Framemeister worth the 300 bucks. Absolutely. This is pretty lengthy but I'll try to explain what it does and why it's awesome.
So... most upscalers external and TV internal see a 240P signal as 480i. As such, they will deinterlace an image that is actually progressive. If you play Sonic 2 on a HDTV for example by plugging in your Genesis, the shield will show combing artifacts that shouldn't be there. Flickering shadows and other stuff will be butchered as well.
The framemeister will actually detect a 240P signal as 240P and upscale it properly. When hooking up a RGB capable system, this means a picture showing emulator quality pixels can be displayed. The following is my SNES mini scaled to 5X original resolution:
If you like the look of old tv's there's also a built in scanline option:
The Framemeister is also very fast in processing. I have it hooked up to a Sony KDL-60W630B, and in game mode with all the post processing nonsense turned off I can discern absolutely no input lag. Any lag you get with the framemeister is from your TV, not the X-RGB.
So what does this mean for the SNES? The original brick SNES units all output RGB to the multi out without any modification. The SNES mini is RGB capable, but it must be restored to the AV multi out. It's a relatively simple mod. I did mine myself using a the RGB amp board purchased from retrorgb.com
This video should cover everything you need to know about SNES video:
The Framemeister also has the ability to save system profile settings (I think up to 20). So you don't have to redial in all the scaling options when you switch consoles. I downloaded my profiles from:
Besides the price, there is one downside to the X-RGB that I must mention, but it's more of a mild annoyance. On 32-bit era systems such as the Saturn and Playstation: a few games switch between 480i menus and 240P gameplay. When this switch happens the Framemeister drops out video for a few seconds as it changes over processing modes. Like I said it's just a minor annoyance, I use my Saturn through the Framemeister and it looks great.
A word of caution
, some folks may recommend another RGB scart to HDMI upscaler that can be purchased on amazon for 50 bucks. That 50 bucks would be better spent on TP. Firstly, that unit sees 240P as 480i, so you will still get the deinterlacing artifacts. There's input lag with that unit. And there's motion blur, scrolling backgrounds turn smeary. Put that 50 bucks in a jar towards the Framemeister.
Back to the SNES
. Shown in the photo of my SNES mini is a SD2SNES flashcart. It's the best flash cart on the market as it supports many of the SNES enhancement chips. For those familiar with higan, it also supports Byuu's MSU1 chip. So this means you get CD quality audio and video on your actual SNES! I am currently playing through Chrono Trigger again at my leisure with a full orchestrated soundtrack.
Of course, there's other ways to run SNES games in HD. I have nothing against emulation, I just like the original hardware and nostalgia that goes with it. I personally wouldn't purchase a retron 5 since it's just a emulator with shoddy build quality. I'd rather just use my media center PC and usb controller adapters.
I hope all this points someone in the right direction.