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There's a non reference Gigabyte 1080 coming that has stacked fans and dual 8 pin power, that one looks to be a beast for those that want a 1080.
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Finally getting my FE tomorrow....I think I'm just going to keep it because so far from everything I've seen none of the cards with better cooling or more power are OCing any higher.

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Think I really lost the silicon lottery on this one, can't maintain over 1950 no matter what I try.

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Think I really lost the silicon lottery on this one, can't maintain over 1950 no matter what I try.
Man you get some early deliveries. Unless the time stamp is wrong.
Earliest I've ever seen a package is 1pm.
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Man you get some early deliveries. Unless the time stamp is wrong.

Earliest I've ever seen a package is 1pm.

Got it yesterday, just didn't get around to testing it until this morning.

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I see that people are taking a $60 980ti liquid cooler from EVGA and slapping them on the FE 1080's (they say it bolts right up to the gpu but you still need to keep the blower/shroud for vrm's).

Not ideal but certainly a cost effective (temp/noise) fix for controlling the FE thermal throttle.

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Hybrid-Ge...=1&*entries*=0

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I see that people are taking a $60 980ti liquid cooler from EVGA and slapping them on the FE 1080's (they say it bolts right up to the gpu but you still need to keep the blower/shroud for vrm's).

Not ideal but certainly a cost effective (temp/noise) fix for controlling the FE thermal throttle.

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Hybrid-Ge...=1&*entries*=0

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The fan really isn't that loud. It's practically inaudible until 60%, and isn't leaf blower loud at 100%. I'd say 80% on the FE sounds like 100% on a good third party cooler like the ACX. With it at 75% I can keep it at 1950 at 80C 24/7 unless it's hitting the power limit, in those intensive games it drops to around 1900. It insta-crashes for me pretty reliably above 1975 anyway, so it's getting it done, at least for my supposed dud of a GPU. It's already up against the 120% power limit most of the time, so water cooling would make it a bit more quiet but wouldn't really help the OC.

I'm way more tempted than I should be to unwrap the other 1080 sitting here though, still haven't sold it yet.

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The 1070 is not out performing the 980ti, OC'd or not.
In the reviews I've seen, the 1070 is meeting or exceeding the 980ti in almost all benchmarks. I think I saw it one frame behind on one game. Overclocking yielded a 9-14% improvement on the GTX 1070. In 3DMark Firestrike, the OC 980ti got 17,420 while the OC GTX 1070 got 17,824. Here are some results from Guru3d:



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The 1070 is looking like a beast for it's price!
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Anyone know if Single Pass Stereo works with SLI'ed 1070s or 1080s?

Single Pass Stereo seems like the biggest tweak for VR performance. I wonder how Vega 10 will compare to the 1080 in terms of overall vs VR-specific performance (or multiple perspective performance)
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In the reviews I've seen, the 1070 is meeting or exceeding the 980ti in almost all benchmarks. I think I saw it one frame behind on one game. Overclocking yielded a 9-14% improvement on the GTX 1070. In 3DMark Firestrike, the OC 980ti got 17,420 while the OC GTX 1070 got 17,824. Here are some results from Guru3d:

This all depends upon which reviews you look at (I have spent far too many hours seeking out every drop of information, I have no idea why ), many have the cards within just a few percent of each other while others (like the one you posted) show a larger gap. It's also seeming rather odd that often the numbers shown are not what people are seeing at home (from previous 9xx series and the 1080). Some of the most extensive testing done has shown that the fastest 980ti's are within a couple percent of the FE 1080 (both oc'd to their limits where it appears Maxwell see's a greater performance gain versus Pascal). Now granted this is with non-reference 980ti and FE 1080 so that obviously can change.


This could also be another example of driver gimping done by Nvidia to make the newer gpu's seem even faster (versus previous gen) than they truly are (which they have done in the past, I have experienced this first hand and kept older drivers installed due to performance). Optimal drivers should be used for each gpu and the latest drivers are not always the best performing across the board. I think at some point we have all loaded a new driver and seen various games decrease in performance. Now this is not to imply that Nvidia is gimping the drivers on purpose (put the tinfoil hats away), it could just be a result of optimizing for the newest hardware (which is understandable but unfortunate for those on previous hardware).


The one thing that cannot be denied is that the 1070 has a 2gb vram advantage over the 980ti (which a few games will use at 4k if it is present).


I am truly impressed with the 1070/1080 performance/watt but I am not buying into all the hyperbole. I am eagerly awaiting the TI/Titan or AMD Vega gpu's where hopefully we'll see a true 4k/60 single gpu solution.


* Oh and I should also state that most of my impressions are based upon 4k performance and not 1080p (basically these cards are all overkill for 1080p gaming, other than maybe max settings @144hz with certain games).

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Anyone know if Single Pass Stereo works with SLI'ed 1070s or 1080s?



Single Pass Stereo seems like the biggest tweak for VR performance. I wonder how Vega 10 will compare to the 1080 in terms of overall vs VR-specific performance (or multiple perspective performance)

I don't see why it wouldn't, nothing about it appears to have any inter-frame dependencies.

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Here is a very recent OC review with the latest drivers (1080p and 1440p but no 4k where the gap is even more narrow)...


Maxwell see's about double the performance gain ~20% (versus Pascal ~10%) from OC which helps to close the gap.

The 1070's price/performance is insane, that jump over the 970 is most impressive.



JayzTwoCents also posted a video showing an MSI Gaming 1080 (twnfrzr) that does not OC as well as an FE 1080 even though it has far more power available (8+6) and runs much cooler.

* Silicon Lottery...


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Here is a very recent OC review with the latest drivers (1080p and 1440p but no 4k where the gap is even more narrow)...

https://youtu.be/ux7aH7r1KoI

Maxwell see's about double the performance gain ~20% (versus Pascal ~10%) from OC which helps to close the gap.

The 1070's price/performance is insane, that jump over the 970 is most impressive.



JayzTwoCents also posted a video showing an MSI Gaming 1080 (twnfrzr) that does not OC as well as an FE 1080 even though it has far more power available (8+6) and runs much cooler.

* Silicon Lottery...

https://youtu.be/0rHjgnBtxhM

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Isn't all that's really saying is that maxwell was too conservatively clocked to begin with? TBH I've never really cared what the stock clocks are, I didn't even know the stock clocks were that low. In either case the silicon lottery changes those numbers up so much....I'm sure the best 980 Ti is within spitting distance of the worst 1080 (like mine, ugh), but a good 1080 is untouchable.

In other news, I'm kind of regretting selling the other 1080 already...with the higher price of Bitcoin and lower cost of electricity, GPU mining altcoins is actually really profitable again. The 1080 is pulling in like $4-5 a day for me right now. If this keeps up it'll pay for itself in 4-5 months.

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Isn't all that's really saying is that maxwell was too conservatively clocked to begin with? TBH I've never really cared what the stock clocks are, I didn't even know the stock clocks were that low. In either case the silicon lottery changes those numbers up so much....I'm sure the best 980 Ti is within spitting distance of the worst 1080 (like mine, ugh), but a good 1080 is untouchable.

In other news, I'm kind of regretting selling the other 1080 already...with the higher price of Bitcoin and lower cost of electricity, GPU mining altcoins is actually really profitable again. The 1080 is pulling in like $4-5 a day for me right now. If this keeps up it'll pay for itself in 4-5 months.

Hehe, sure you can look at it like that but when it comes down to it that's just the way it is based upon the way the cards are released. Nvidia has delivered a very nice gpu but they have also delivered a ton of suspect marketing hyperbole (much of which has proved to be false or with a series of particular circumstances).


OT - I have never considered mining but is there a solid guide with safe software links that you are aware of...?


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Hehe, sure you can look at it like that but when it comes down to it that's just the way it is based upon the way the cards are released. Nvidia has delivered a very nice gpu but they have also delivered a ton of suspect marketing hyperbole (much of which has proved to be false or with a series of particular circumstances).


OT - I have never considered mining but is there a solid guide with safe software links that you are aware of...?


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Oh yeah, their bull**** has been most glorious. All of this nonsense surrounding the founders edition has been especially precious.

Mining is stupid easy now. Just get an account on coinbase or any of the bazillion Bitcoin wallets. Then go to nicehash.com, download nicehashminer, put in your Bitcoin address, click the benchmark button to test the algorithms (unclick ethereum if you're on win 10), then click start....and profit!

What it's doing is putting your mining power into a pool that other people can purchase to mine some random cryptocurrency that is almost certainly worthless in the end. The program will automatically switch to the most profitable coin for your rig at any given time, but you get automatically paid out in Bitcoin sent directly to your BTC address. Then you can buy stuff with it directly or exchange it for dollars.
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So debating a GTX 1080 non-Founders (~$650) vs. a GTX 1070 Founders (~$450) - I want a card soon but don't want to overspend.

For gaming at 1080p resolution, I'm thinking the GTX 1070 is probably the smarter choice. Comments?
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I recommend considering how long you will be keeping the new potential graphics card in conjunction with how long you plan to stay at that very low resolution of 1080p.

So for example, I game at 1600p but if I were getting a new graphics card 2016 (which I am not but rather in 2017) I would only purchase the one which had the better 4k res. performance of the choices available.

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Why do you need one soon? I'd suggest waiting for AMD to bring out new stuff so you can at least get competitive prices, even if they don't compare functionally.

I'm considering selling my 980ti, but I need to do it soon, before their worth plummets even more. I tried to remove it last week and could not get the thing to release from the MB. I may be stuck with the damn thing

I'll try exhuming the entire MB next time I get back.
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Why do you need one soon?
Not a need, just a want. You know how that goes.

I want to get off SLI (670s) and improve framerates in Doom. I've been holding off a new GPU until the non-Founders 1080s and 1070s cards were released, but they are hard to come by. Now I'm kicking around the idea to get a cheap 970 or 980(ti) for 1080p gaming until the prices for Pascal come down in price and are more available next year. By then I might be moving up to 4k, VR, and/or ultrawide monitor gaming.

Not sure any of this really wise, though. Waiting is always best... but at some point I want to play!
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Man, I put a Zotec 1070 Founders ($450 + TN tax) with 3 left in my cart on Amazon, and when I went to pay, it said it was no longer available.

I didn't know people can remove things from your cart so quickly...? I guess it makes sense to avoid things sitting in people's cart forever, but still... give me a chance to pay!! OTOH, I'm hoping to buy from B&H anyway because Amazon and Newegg charges the nearly 10% TN sales tax, B&H doesn't.

Anyway, is Zotec a good company, or should I hold out for Asus, EVGA or Gigabyte? Does it matter?
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Nevermind, Nvidia opened up Founders Day 1070s, so I order one direct from them. They charge tax.

Probably should have waited longer, but I was over organizing a nowinstock.com list. It should be here by Friday.
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Nevermind, Nvidia opened up Founders Day 1070s, so I order one direct from them. They charge tax.

Probably should have waited longer, but I was over organizing a nowinstock.com list. It should be here by Friday.
Way to go DJ! Keep us posted. I'm holding out for the AMD's. And plan to grab a 490X as soon as they hit the market. It should pair up very nicely with the 43" 4K Phillips monitor the wife promised to get me for XMAS during Black Friday sales. Even though I could easily drop down to a 34"er if I saw a deal I couldn't pass up during that time.
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Way to go DJ! Keep us posted. I'm holding out for the AMD's. And plan to grab a 490X as soon as they hit the market. It should pair up very nicely with the 43" 4K Phillips monitor the wife promised to get me for XMAS during Black Friday sales. Even though I could easily drop down to a 34"er if I saw a deal I couldn't pass up during that time.
Ohhh, I urge you to wait my friend. The difference between the two will be unbelievably worth the wait!
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I'm surprised people are so eager to buy the 1080 when it's almost certain that Nvidia will launch a 1080Ti. Wouldn't be wiser to just wait until that card releases?
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I'm surprised people are so eager to buy the 1080 when it's almost certain that Nvidia will launch a 1080Ti. Wouldn't be wiser to just wait until that card releases?
1) There's always something around the corner.
2) It's always wiser to wait.

At some point, just gotta go for it. Especially those of us gaming on old PC tech.
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1) There's always something around the corner.
2) It's always wiser to wait.

At some point, just gotta go for it. Especially those of us gaming on old PC tech.
It's a great time to upgrade with the new line-up of GPUs, but considering that the performance of an overclocked 1080 is similar to that of an overclocked 980Ti, then it would be best to wait for the 1080Ti to see a substantial upgrade for those considering a 1080. In the previous generation once the 980Ti launched the 980 really had no place, it was really either the 970 or the 980Ti.
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That's what always confused me. Once the ti was out, why would anyone consider the non ti? I'm hoping for price drops when amd comes in.
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It's kind of redundant for anyone already on 980ti to move to the 1080 but obviously that accounts for a very small segment of the market, so for most the move to a 1070/1080 is going to be fairly substantial.

Now for those on reference 980ti that prefer not to OC going to the FE 1080 makes a little more sense as there are some gains to be had, for those that have the faster partner 980ti's that are OC'd (1500/8000) it's very little gain (literally like 2%) moving to an OC'd 1080 (at least based upon what we have seen from the 1080 thus far, which could change...).

The 1070 is absolutely the sweet spot and had I not done SLI 980ti (going against my own better judgment ) I too would have grabbed a 1070 (while waiting for the 1080ti/Titan/Vega).

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It's kind of redundant for anyone already on 980ti to move to the 1080 but obviously that accounts for a very small segment of the market, so for most the move to a 1070/1080 is going to be fairly substantial.

Now for those on reference 980ti that prefer not to OC going to the FE 1080 makes a little more sense as there are some gains to be had, for those that have the faster partner 980ti's that are OC'd (1500/8000) it's very little gain (literally like 2%) moving to an OC'd 1080 (at least based upon what we have seen from the 1080 thus far, which could change...).

The 1070 is absolutely the sweet spot and had I not done SLI 980ti (going against my own better judgment ) I too would have grabbed a 1070 (while waiting for the 1080ti/Titan/Vega).

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I dunno where you're getting that impression, I moved from a partner 980 Ti with a healthy overclock (1450) to a 1080 FE with a pretty weak overclock (1850-1900), and the difference is very noticeable in real gameplay. Games that used to chug at max settings (AC Unity/Division) are now much smoother.

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