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I dunno where you're getting that impression, I moved from a partner 980 Ti with a healthy overclock (1450) to a 1080 FE with a pretty weak overclock (1850-1900), and the difference is very noticeable in real gameplay. Games that used to chug at max settings (AC Unity/Division) are now much smoother.
Sorry, I keep thinking in terms of 4k and forget to add that aspect in.
I should have added that as the resolution increases the performance difference decreases (which has been shown over and over from honest reviewers). So for those playing at 1080p the difference is reasonable, 1440p it's still there but a bit less and at 4k it's very minimal on all but a few titles (with Doom seeing the biggest gap). With that said I can't imagine people buying 1080's to play at 1080p as it's serious overkill unless the desire is playing an un-optimized Crysis 3 maxed out at 144 Hz +.

The 1080 is a great card and it's the fastest single consumer gpu so far but it's also designed for high resolution gaming and that gap is not as significant as what some would have us believe (via deceptive marketing and biased reviews).

If the gap (at 4K) was significant I too would be taking the leap but with the 1080ti/Titan/Vega coming within a reasonable time frame I just do not see much reason to move from a solid 980ti OC to the 1080 (other than maybe VR where the 1080's feature set does offer worthwhile benefits over the 980ti). For productivity there is simply no point in making the change (at least not yet) as the 1080 is either not compatible, performs on par or less than that of the 980ti.

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Im on a 970 but will be getting a 1080 when prices drop a bit. Here in NZ the fe are $1600. No partner cards released yet for us either. I only game at 1080 but on a 55" TV so I like aa or dsr. The 970 currently handles MOST settings on max and 4xaa, anything higher and fps drops below 60. Even 1440p downscaled with minimum aa looks great but the 970 does struggle. Still running and older i5 4440 so may upgrade that, not sure on that yet.
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Sorry, I keep thinking in terms of 4k and forget to add that aspect in.
I should have added that as the resolution increases the performance difference decreases (which has been shown over and over from honest reviewers). So for those playing at 1080p the difference is reasonable, 1440p it's still there but a bit less and at 4k it's very minimal on all but a few titles (with Doom seeing the biggest gap). With that said I can't imagine people buying 1080's to play at 1080p as it's serious overkill unless the desire is playing an un-optimized Crysis 3 maxed out at 144 Hz +.

The 1080 is a great card and it's the fastest single consumer gpu so far but it's also designed for high resolution gaming and that gap is not as significant as what some would have us believe (via deceptive marketing and biased reviews).

If the gap (at 4K) was significant I too would be taking the leap but with the 1080ti/Titan/Vega coming within a reasonable time frame I just do not see much reason to move from a solid 980ti OC to the 1080 (other than maybe VR where the 1080's feature set does offer worthwhile benefits over the 980ti). For productivity there is simply no point in making the change (at least not yet) as the 1080 is either not compatible, performs on par or less than that of the 980ti.

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Where are you seeing that? Based on these raw numbers:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714?vs=1715

I don't see a scaling issue at 4K. I downscale a lot of games from 4K to 1440p or 1080p, something which wasn't really as feasible with the 980 Ti. Are you comparing OCed 980 Tis to stock 1080s or something? I cannot imagine there is any case where the 1080 loses to the 980 Ti at any resolution if they're compared stock/stock or OC/OC.

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Where are you seeing that? Based on these raw numbers:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714?vs=1715

I don't see a scaling issue at 4K. I downscale a lot of games from 4K to 1440p or 1080p, something which wasn't really as feasible with the 980 Ti. Are you comparing OCed 980 Tis to stock 1080s or something? I cannot imagine there is any case where the 1080 loses to the 980 Ti at any resolution if they're compared stock/stock or OC/OC.

The 4k variance is small (Witcher 3 is like 6fps) and it's all over the place. I try to find OC comparisons of both cards because it's free processing power for those that wish to use it (why not). Many of the reviews are comparing reference 980ti at stock clocks and in that case the 1080 wins by a decent margin. When both are OC'd however the gap closes (even more so at higher resolutions... 4k especially). I agree that comparisons should only be done stock/stock or oc/oc, some reviews even show oc FE 1080 against stock reference 980ti.


Here's a new SLI (MSI 1080 vs ASUS 980ti) comparison video...


The SLI 980ti comes out on top in the shown comparisons other than Firestrike Ultra (where SLI conditions are about as good as it gets... better than most games).


Bottom line is that at this point in time the gap is narrow at high resolution real world gaming compared to the fastest 980ti's, the 1080 is over-all the faster gpu but it is not a significant performance gain.


As I have said before all of this could change as things mature (drivers, compatibility, etc) but for now moving to a 1080 from a 980ti is not enough of a jump in my honest opinion (most of the honest reviewers state the same opinion).


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Games that used to chug at max settings (AC Unity/Division) are now much smoother.
bd- have you messed with Fast-Sync yet? Thoughts on it versus G-Sync and V-Sync on and off..?
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The 4k variance is small (Witcher 3 is like 6fps) and it's all over the place. I try to find OC comparisons of both cards because it's free processing power for those that wish to use it (why not). Many of the reviews are comparing reference 980ti at stock clocks and in that case the 1080 wins by a decent margin. When both are OC'd however the gap closes (even more so at higher resolutions... 4k especially). I agree that comparisons should only be done stock/stock or oc/oc, some reviews even show oc FE 1080 against stock reference 980ti.


Here's a new SLI (MSI 1080 vs ASUS 980ti) comparison video... https://youtu.be/byqDvmxek5g


The SLI 980ti comes out on top in the shown comparisons other than Firestrike Ultra (where SLI conditions are about as good as it gets... better than most games).


Bottom line is that at this point in time the gap is narrow at high resolution real world gaming compared to the fastest 980ti's, the 1080 is over-all the faster gpu but it is not a significant performance gain.


As I have said before all of this could change as things mature (drivers, compatibility, etc) but for now moving to a 1080 from a 980ti is not enough of a jump in my honest opinion (most of the honest reviewers state the same opinion).


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I dunno man, the vast majority of reputable review sites have the 1080 a solid 20-30% ahead and my own experience bears that out. The 1070 or a used 980 Ti are clearly a much better value, but whether it's enough of a jump depends on how much you're willing to spend. I'm pretty happy with it, I wish I had done a little better in the silicon lottery but there is no question that it's a very noticeable upgrade even at 1900mhz. Maybe it's hard to justify against the *fastest* 980 Tis but that aren't exactly inexpensive either.

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bd- have you messed with Fast-Sync yet? Thoughts on it versus G-Sync and V-Sync on and off..?

I haven't used it, I have g-sync up to 144hz and I'm not really bothered by vsync lag at that refresh rate. My understanding is that because it's unqueued it's likely to cause some stuttering so I'm not too crazy about the concept to begin with. I'm so spoiled by 144hz at this point that 60hz looks rough to me and I wouldn't want to introduce stuttering on top of that when I use the TV/projector.

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I haven't used it, I have g-sync up to 144hz and I'm not really bothered by vsync lag at that refresh rate. My understanding is that because it's unqueued it's likely to cause some stuttering so I'm not too crazy about the concept to begin with. I'm so spoiled by 144hz at this point that 60hz looks rough to me and I wouldn't want to introduce stuttering on top of that when I use the TV/projector.
Gotcha - didn't know about the stuttering w/ Fast Sync.

I'm gaming on a 60hz TV, so I was hoping this new sync option would be a best of both worlds - no screen tearing of v-sync off or Adaptive V-sync, and no latency of v-sync on.

Kicking around the idea of getting a 144hz gaming monitor now. I guess it's worth spending extra to get a G-sync monitor, right?
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Gotcha - didn't know about the stuttering w/ Fast Sync.

I'm gaming on a 60hz TV, so I was hoping this new sync option would be a best of both worlds - no screen tearing of v-sync off or Adaptive V-sync, and no latency of v-sync on.

Kicking around the idea of getting a 144hz gaming monitor now. I guess it's worth spending extra to get a G-sync monitor, right?


That best of both worlds you're hoping for is g-sync. I think it's worth it, it's nice not to have to think about keeping the frame rate above some arbitrary number to avoid stuttering. The frame rate can fluctuate like crazy and you don't even notice it most of the time.

With fast sync you'd still have some lag as frames are being held back to wait for the next sync, and that's where the stuttering comes in because it can't

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Got my 1070 installed tonight. Played a lot of Doom on ultra settings and Batman: Arkham Knight maxed settings, including special Nvidia options - both over 60fps constantly - smooth and looks amazing..

Very happy with this beast - I feel like I got a "Scorpio" or a "Neo" over a year early! Ok, I'm only on a 1080p TV, but still... top notch gaming experience.

I hope Rise of the Tomb Raider gets a good price over the Steam summer sale, would love to replay that one again.
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My 1080 FE directly from Nvidia arrives tomorrow. Pumped beyond belief! I am coming from a EVGA 4GB GTX 960 FTW edition card. Currently gaming on a Dell U2415 @1920x1200. Complete over kill I know for now. At the same time. Awesome knowing I can max settings in games @60+ fps consistently. But, will be moving to a 1440p Gsync monitor down the line. I have my eye on the Dell S2716DG 27" Unless they come out with a IPS version. Then I will get that instead.

Now I get to finish the Witcher 3 in all of its eye candy glory! Btw. This is my first flagship card I have ever owned and cannot believe I popped for a $699 card. What was I thinking?
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My 1080 FE directly from Nvidia arrives tomorrow. Pumped beyond belief! I am coming from a EVGA 4GB GTX 960 FTW edition card. Currently gaming on a Dell U2415 @1920x1200. Complete over kill I know for now. At the same time. Awesome knowing I can max settings in games @60+ fps consistently. But, will be moving to a 1440p Gsync monitor down the line. I have my eye on the Dell S2716DG 27" Unless they come out with a IPS version. Then I will get that instead.



Now I get to finish the Witcher 3 in all of its eye candy glory! Btw. This is my first flagship card I have ever owned and cannot believe I popped for a $699 card. What was I thinking?

GPUs are like drugs man, you keep needing more and more.... I used to buy x60 cards too. Now I'm trying to rationalize dual 1080s, and I'm giving the inevitable Titan more serious thought then I should be....

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Why would anyone buy the founders edition? $100 for a regular cooler? At that point you might as well save the $100, get a card from EVGA or Gigabyte and buy a game or two instead. It might be useful for SLI since it's a blower style, but even then the $100 premium seems excessive.
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Why would anyone buy the founders edition? $100 for a regular cooler? At that point you might as well save the $100, get a card from EVGA or Gigabyte and buy a game or two instead. It might be useful for SLI since it's a blower style, but even then the $100 premium seems excessive.

Well something I've been noticing is that in a lot of reviews you see the FEs clocking higher than the third party cards with extra power and 3 giant fans etc...what it seems to me is happening is that the third parties are binning their cards and saving the really good chips for the higher end classifieds, gaming Z, etc....but NVidia isn't because they only have one model to sell. So with the FE you stand a reasonable chance of getting a high overclocker, with a $650 third party card it looks like you're less likely. Either way its not a guarantee, my FE is a **** overclocker.


Also as an aside, GPU mining on these 10 series cards is more profitable that it's ever been thanks to the high efficiency and the rising price of BTC, so as long as that remains the case I expect the shortage will go on. It could be months until it stabilizes, just like it did with the AMD cards a few years ago when BTC was $500+ (its almost $800 now). Like the profit is kind of insane right now, I really regret selling my other FEs because each one is worth a solid $6-8 a day now and rising. Pulled in $70 worth of BTC over the past 11 days on just one card, it's ridiculous. I've got my sights set on a pair of those Strix 1080s, but finding any 1080 is still almost impossible.

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GTX 980 Ti was the old weapon of choice, but hopefully the 1080 can improve on that, by a decent margin.
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holy moly, didn't even know stuff like that existed !
looks like fun....
what's you're favorite racing game on that machine ?
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Oh hell yeah, that is a nice rig. My friend made one out of a kart chassis,worked really good. Sadly,wife would never let that fly. She put up with my karting but gaming won't do it.

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That rig makes me want to dust mine off and get to racing again. I've kinda neglected racing for a minute now.

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Anyone have any motion sickness with a rig like that? The only time anything has ever made me seriously "I'm about to throw up" nauseous was a simulator rig I did during some focus test. Imagine a real car with screens wrapped around the front, and really awful graphics. But I made a comment to the tester sitting next to me like "wow, this simulator is pretty cool, you can even feel it move when you brake..." and she said "Umm, it doesn't move at all..." and then it hit me like a brick wall.
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Anyone have any motion sickness with a rig like that? The only time anything has ever made me seriously "I'm about to throw up" nauseous was a simulator rig I did during some focus test. Imagine a real car with screens wrapped around the front, and really awful graphics. But I made a comment to the tester sitting next to me like "wow, this simulator is pretty cool, you can even feel it move when you brake..." and she said "Umm, it doesn't move at all..." and then it hit me like a brick wall.



I sometimes get the feeling I'm still moving forward when I finish in my rig. Same feeling you get when driving in real life for a long period of time.
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My first card from Nvidia directly was faulty. I wanted to cry! Especially considering how hard they are to get. I could not believe my luck. It would crash with weird colors etc and over heat. It was hitting 90c! So, I sent it back for a full refund. They just received it today. In the mean time while it was being sent out. I was able to score another new FE. This time its EVGA. From my favorite brand! Card works great and boost to 1911MHz out of the box doing nothing. I also installed a new EVGA SuperNOVA 650w psu. The performance increase from my 4GB EVGA GTX 960 FTW compared to this 1080. OMG! Incredible and I love it so much.

Totally worth the money. Next will be a case swap. Waiting for the EVGA DG-85 case to hit. Then a new 1440p monitor. I also had to remove my dvd/cd player for the bigger psu. Which is fine since I never use the thing any ways and just takes up space. Rest of the specs. i7 4790K liquid cooled, 16gb 1600 ram, 256gb Sammy ssd, 2TB Seagte drive and Intel 7260 wireless AC. Model HP Envy Phoenix 810-430qe. Have had the machine now for a year and 2 months. Barf I know its a HP. But, its been a great system so far.
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I have 6 month old 970's in sli, so I don't know what the hell to do frankly. I guess wait to prices drop some more options for 1080 and then decide.

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So the silicon lottery is definitely real....got a pair of gaming X 1080s and they do 2050 easy in situations where the FE could only do 1860.

So far having a surprisingly good experience with SLI, g-sync helps a lot to smooth out any stuttering. Performance is so crazy it's kind of absurd, like 100fps playing overwatch on epic at 5120x2880.

So far the only game that I've had issues with SLI is doom.
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So I upgraded my whole system about a week ago. I'd been playing 1080p 60hz on a Radeon 6950 and i5 2500k.

I jumped to 1440p 144hz with a gtx 1080 and i5 6500 and wow. Even more than the resolution, the 144hz just makes everything better. PC gaming still frustrates me a bit (I shouldn't have to tweak gta 5 so much just to get it to run smoothly), but when everything is firing right, it can be incredible looking.

I also played the Doom demo and it looks amazing, I just wished I liked the brainless shoot em ups a little more.

Also made a huge difference in Overwatch, even after the bug they introduced that caused frame rate hits for everyone a while back.
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So the silicon lottery is definitely real....got a pair of gaming X 1080s and they do 2050 easy in situations where the FE could only do 1860.

So far having a surprisingly good experience with SLI, g-sync helps a lot to smooth out any stuttering. Performance is so crazy it's kind of absurd, like 100fps playing overwatch on epic at 5120x2880.

So far the only game that I've had issues with SLI is doom.
Why would g-sync help with SLI? My understanding is that g-sync smooths everything out when you're fps is lower than the refresh rate of your monitor. With SLI, shouldn't you be going way over your refresh rate (which is where fast sync would kick in)?

Edit: Just saw what you're resolution is, maybe you're not pumping out more frames than your monitor can handle. I'm jelly.

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Why would g-sync help with SLI? My understanding is that g-sync smooths everything out when you're fps is lower than the refresh rate of your monitor. With SLI, shouldn't you be going way over your refresh rate (which is where fast sync would kick in)?



Edit: Just saw what you're resolution is, maybe you're not pumping out more frames than your monitor can handle. I'm jelly.


Right, I'm jacking up the resolution/supersampling to take full advantage of the cards. I don't really see much difference over 100fps with gsync so that's what I'm aiming for.

One of the issues I always had with SLI was the microstuttering, but since the GPU has more control over frame delivery with gsync I think it can realign the frame times to keep it smooth. Also probably helps that at 100fps any variance is harder to detect. Last time I used SLI I had dual 970s and I was trying to keep it locked at 60fps vsync and it was such a mess, the frame time variance could get bad enough that 60fps looked like 40fps, so what was even the point? But at 100fps gsync you couldn't even tell its SLI, it's still super smooth. Turn off gsync and it looks like garbage again at 100fps.

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