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4K games.... is it avaiable yet?

4K gaming, is it in reality now? or gamers are just using a higher resolution with older games...... so far as I know GTA 5, Crysis 3, or Witcher 3 were designed in 1080p.

Crysis 3 was the best one in terms of graphics quality. But I'm looking a PC game in the same genre (FPS game) that is a real 4K game. I mean something with better texture and physics....
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4K gaming, is it in reality now? or gamers are just using a higher resolution with older games...... so far as I know GTA 5, Crysis 3, or Witcher 3 were designed in 1080p.

Crysis 3 was the best one in terms of graphics quality. But I'm looking a PC game in the same genre (FPS game) that is a real 4K game. I mean something with better texture and physics....
Games are scaling to 4K, but geometry isn't yet being designed for a constantly available 8 million pixels.....textures are getting there because of the large amounts of VRAM available on cards today but it's ground-floor. The highest-end video card available today is adequate for 'today's games' at 4k, touching 60fps but with not too much overhead, and those are really yesterday's games...and we're talking a $1200 Titan X Pascal at the moment, or likely a $850 1080 Ti at some point in the future, or whatever AMD brings to the table.

I would suspect depending on their dependencies (EDIT: I can't believe I wrote that, left in for shame purposes) true 4K gaming made for 4K displays and 'scaling down accordingly' will take a little while because the hardware to drive those 4K displays is, quite literally, just here, now. And it's still high-end.

Having said all that, todays games scaled-up, with texture packs in place, look really quite good. 4K gives you detail in the distance but it also gives you the ability to render more things in your world that are narrow or thin, grass starts to look dense like real grass (yet still defined) at 4K, better than it does at 1080p for example....

All IMHO of course.
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Games are scaling to 4K, but geometry isn't yet being designed for a constantly available 8 million pixels.....textures are getting there because of the large amounts of VRAM available on cards today but it's ground-floor. The highest-end video card available today is adequate for 'today's games' at 4k, touching 60fps but with not too much overhead, and those are really yesterday's games...and we're talking a $1200 Titan X Pascal at the moment, or likely a $850 1080 Ti at some point in the future, or whatever AMD brings to the table.

I would suspect depending on their dependencies (EDIT: I can't believe I wrote that, left in for shame purposes) true 4K gaming made for 4K displays and 'scaling down accordingly' will take a little while because the hardware to drive those 4K displays is, quite literally, just here, now. And it's still high-end.

Having said all that, todays games scaled-up, with texture packs in place, look really quite good. 4K gives you detail in the distance but it also gives you the ability to render more things in your world that are narrow or thin, grass starts to look dense like real grass (yet still defined) at 4K, better than it does at 1080p for example....

All IMHO of course.
GTX 1070 can run 4K res at high settings..... but however, I was thinking the same. The texture of the games is not ready for 4K yet. I've seen some 4K gameplay on youtube and I think they are just look sharper but not really that different from Full HD resolution.
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GTX 1070 can run 4K res at high settings..... but however, I was thinking the same. The texture of the games is not ready for 4K yet. I've seen some 4K gameplay on youtube and I think they are just look sharper but not really that different from Full HD resolution.
It will depend on the game itself as to how much of a visual bump you get just from rendering at a higher resolution. Games with lots of foliage, for example, inherently look better because you see less of the dithering and aliasing that usually accompanies "low rez but lots of them" trees and bushes and grasses in game. Grass sprites start to look like dense, actual grass...for example.
Games with high textures will look 'that much better' at 4k.....even if they are not 4k textures.

But a game like Dishonored, for example....its art style is one of low-detail textures in a watercolor-style....that game looks the same to me at 720p as it does at 4k, dithering notwithstanding.

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It will depend on the game itself as to how much of a visual bump you get just from rendering at a higher resolution. Games with lots of foliage, for example, inherently look better because you see less of the dithering and aliasing that usually accompanies "low rez but lots of them" trees and bushes and grasses in game. Grass sprites start to look like dense, actual grass...for example.
Games with high textures will look 'that much better' at 4k.....even if they are not 4k textures.

But a game like Dishonored, for example....its art style is one of low-detail textures in a watercolor-style....that game looks the same to me at 720p as it does at 4k, dithering notwithstanding.
how about battlefield 1 and sniper ghost warrior 3? do they look good in 4 k?
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how about battlefield 1 and sniper ghost warrior 3? do they look good in 4 k?
Can't help ya, but you can probably lean in the direction of "modern games will be 4K aware and the developers may already be including higher-resolution textures and looking into HDR implementation.

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Can't help ya, but you can probably lean in the direction of "modern games will be 4K aware and the developers may already be including higher-resolution textures and looking into HDR implementation.

Short of standing directly in front of a wall and counting pixels, textures have been high resolution enough to fully take advantage of 4K for a few years now. Same goes for the geometry unless the LOD is really restricted. To me 4K-ready only really means their UI scales appropriately to such an extreme resolution, otherwise it's just as much of an improvement as any other resolution bump. Even n64 games look better in 4K. I still vastly prefer high frame rate over 4K though.
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Still waiting for Nvidia and AMD to implement integer scaling (perfect 4:1 ratio 1080p) as a stopgap solution until GPU power catches up. Anything less that 60fps is not acceptable.
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We're at least 2-3 GPU generations away from 4K gaming becoming commonplace. High-yield HBM3 will have to come around to displace GDDR5/5Xor HBM2 will have to become inexpensive/high-yield and incorporated into all mid-range and high-end GPUs before 4K gaming can be considered an everyman thing.
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Now that I've been running a 4k tv for a few weeks, with an overclocked i7 and overclocked 980 Ti, I think I need to update my experience just a bit: 4K gaming is here, in the sense that high-end hardware can now get to 60fps depending on your settings, but every new game release feels increasingly unlikely to hit 4k/60 at this time (depending on the ambitiousness of the engine). I'm still with Lex (above) in that we're a couple of generations before 4k/60 (arguably the standard for PC gaming, if not 60+ for modern sync monitors) where you don't have to wonder how many settings you need to turn off to touch (if not sustain) 60fps....

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Now that I've been running a 4k tv for a few weeks..

What TV are you using? I'm thinking of running an HDMI to a TV in the next room when I want to game on a bigger screen. I'm using an R9 390x and a 27" 1440p monitor.


Given your setup, would you mind ranking these?
max out 1080p settings on a 1080p TV @ 60fps
max out 1080p settings upscaled to 4k on a 4k TV @ 60 fps
medium to high settings @ 4k on a 4k TV @ 30 fps


I'm trying to see what kind of benefit I'd get in upgrading to a 4k TV. I've been gaming more on my PC over the last several months and now something seems "off" on the consoles. I'm wondering if its the dropping from 60 fps to 30 fps.
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What TV are you using? I'm thinking of running an HDMI to a TV in the next room when I want to game on a bigger screen. I'm using an R9 390x and a 27" 1440p monitor.


Given your setup, would you mind ranking these?
max out 1080p settings on a 1080p TV @ 60fps
max out 1080p settings upscaled to 4k on a 4k TV @ 60 fps
medium to high settings @ 4k on a 4k TV @ 30 fps


I'm trying to see what kind of benefit I'd get in upgrading to a 4k TV. I've been gaming more on my PC over the last several months and now something seems "off" on the consoles. I'm wondering if its the dropping from 60 fps to 30 fps.
A couple months ago I bought a 50" 4k TV to replace a 46" 1080p TV for PC and console gaming. Based on my testing, the best of your options is the second one: max out 1080p settings upscaled to 4k on a 4k TV @ 60 fps

The only real advantage I see to native 4K gaming is less jaggies and smoother textures. But for me, framerate rules. A solid 1080/60 upscaled to 4K on a good display looks pretty freaking amazing.
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What TV are you using? I'm thinking of running an HDMI to a TV in the next room when I want to game on a bigger screen. I'm using an R9 390x and a 27" 1440p monitor.
Vizio (EDIT: E series, sorry!) dirt-cheap at $359 on sale (43" 4K display, no HDR obviously), I jumped on it. Took a setting in the app you need to download on your phone/tablet to get it to display 4k/60, but after that no issues. The only issue I have is that this TV can sometimes choke on a transition from a low-rez to a1080p+ signal and simply report 'no signal', you cycle the power in that case. I had it happen once or twice during boot-up of my PC when it was trying to go from 640x480 motherboard maker splash-screen to the windows logon, but I also *just* built up a windows10 install (clean) so that problem hasn't re-appeared again. A non-issue for me and its the exception, not the rule, probably some timing thing during a restart, don't think it happened from cold-boot. Hmmmm....

I mean...its 43"....and less than $400 bucks for 4k. I think the 58" is only $100 bucks more :P

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Given your setup, would you mind ranking these?
max out 1080p settings on a 1080p TV @ 60fps
max out 1080p settings upscaled to 4k on a 4k TV @ 60 fps
medium to high settings @ 4k on a 4k TV @ 30 fps
I use this as a desktop monitor, and my previous monitor was a 39" 1080p set. I could see the pixel structure, but it didn't bother me too much.....until I fired up this thing, which is like looking at a Retina display from 2-3 feet away. Windows 7/10 set to 150% scaling solves most of your problems, you can *forget* doing 1:1 pixel mapping for desktop tasks, unless you have hawk eyes and can make out 3cm tall text. I can't. Win10 scaling is better, for some reason, might be the UI design over Win7, for what that's worth.

I'd skip 1080p entirely at this point, it's pretty clear manufacturers won't be wasting much more time producing 1080p panels in the years ahead. If you can't do 4k at 60, you can do 1440 at 60, kick up the sharpening a few notches, no issues for me doing this although scaling isn't perfect, obviously, but the artifacts are small. I can turn off AA at 1440p and not miss it, when I see people on youtube going MSAA4 or 8 with 4k resolution to me they're just wasting cycles.

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I'm trying to see what kind of benefit I'd get in upgrading to a 4k TV. I've been gaming more on my PC over the last several months and now something seems "off" on the consoles. I'm wondering if its the dropping from 60 fps to 30 fps.
Yep, I think the mid-cycle refresh on the XO next year and PSPro this year are contributing to that fatigue.......

For me, I gained a much more modern panel than my 1080p set was, so better blacks and overall contrast, I gained a monitor that has absolutely no pixel structure visible and because I use it as a desktop to, for example, reply to this post.....its a big win for me. Did I mention less than $400?

Granted, if you're using this for watching UHD or wanting to play XO with HDR enabled, I'd step up to the higher end models.
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I play all of my games at 4K on my HTPC and there is a notable difference as long as the seating distance to panel size is correct.

That said, 4K is extremely demanding and there are numerous moments in very demanding games where I am dropping into the 40s with a TXP.
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I'll have a 4k PC setup assembled in about a week. Going with a Samsung 32" 4k TV with 3840x2160 res on a i7 6700 3.4ghz and Titan X Pascal.
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This year, the 4K gaming revolution begins. HBM2 is now being mass-manufactured by SK Hynix and will be used in the next-gen AMD cards and likely, the next-gen Xbox as well. Nvidia seems to be sticking with GDDR5X for the time being, but will use HBM2 with next year's Volta GPUs.
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Found a good article today showing what we can expect to get with the hybrid 1080Ti's come out. GamersNexus made their own hybrid to test out performance vs the stock 1080Ti. Looks like my plan to wait for a hybrid will be well worth it.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/28...imit?showall=1

Looks like the hybrid 1080Ti's will give us pretty much maxed out 4k60. If you're not looking for maxed out, you could probably get away with 4k60 on a base 1080 let alone a Ti.

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New 4k Monitors with HDR. This is will great! I am getting the LG 32UD99-W when it comes out next month, can't wait!!

http://www.overclock.net/t/1625957/u...g-hdr-monitors
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I love my 21:9 monitor, I don't think I'll will get another monitor that is a lower ratio. I hope they make some HDR ultrawides eventually.

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