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Nvidia RTX Series

Nvidia event in Cologne is going on now: https://www.twitch.tv/nvidia

Just pre-ordered my RTX 2080 Ti to go in my HTPC! If anyone is interested in a 1080 Ti FTW3, at a decent price, let me know.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/
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Yup, I preordered 2 x 2080ti's as well. One for each of my pcs. Now I get to see how expensive EK is gonna make their blocks.....

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Yup, I preordered 2 x 2080ti's as well. One for each of my pcs. Now I get to see how expensive EK is gonna make their blocks.....
My office rig has a Titan Xp on a EK block and I don't recall the price going up from when I had 3x Titan Maxwells on EK blocks, so I don't see the price going up on them.

This card will be in my HTPC until AIB cards come out but I am hearing that the PCB layout will be the same. If that is the case and all PCBs are the same, it will be one block to rule them all.

Even if the air cooling solutions are better, one of those will go in the HTPC and the FE will go into the office PC and I will put it in my custom loop.
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Definitely curious about the real world performance of this line of cards. Especially how quite they are in operation under full load with fans.
Personally interested in the 2070(ti) to potentially replace my 970 to improve 4K playback, gaming, and some video editing improvements. Hopefully my 4790K can tide me over for another year or so.

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Patiently waiting it out, expecting to see some crazy assed numbers for these $1000+ cards however.........
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Definitely curious about the real world performance of this line of cards. Especially how quite they are in operation under full load with fans.
Personally interested in the 2070(ti) to potentially replace my 970 to improve 4K playback, gaming, and some video editing improvements. Hopefully my 4790K can tide me over for another year or so.
Nvidia is claiming 1/5 the noise output of current Pascal cards. I am assuming this is compared to the current FE cards with a single fan blower cooler.

My 1080 Ti FTW3 is one of the louder cards, mainly due to the aggressive fan ramp but I certainly wouldn't call it loud.

Your 4790K should be fine. At 4K the GPU is the bottleneck but maybe Touring will change that. I only really see these new cards making the CPU the bottleneck for lower end CPUs with low clocks and thread count coupled with high resolution like 4K.
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My office rig has a Titan Xp on a EK block and I don't recall the price going up from when I had 3x Titan Maxwells on EK blocks, so I don't see the price going up on them.

This card will be in my HTPC until AIB cards come out but I am hearing that the PCB layout will be the same. If that is the case and all PCBs are the same, it will be one block to rule them all.

Even if the air cooling solutions are better, one of those will go in the HTPC and the FE will go into the office PC and I will put it in my custom loop.

Every block Ive bough for the last 4 gens has been 15-20$ more than each other. With my current 1080 ti one being 150$ CDN. Im guessing the new 2080s will be $160 - 170cdn only because they can lol.

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Every block Ive bough for the last 4 gens has been 15-20$ more than each other. With my current 1080 ti one being 150$ CDN. Im guessing the new 2080s will be $160 - 170cdn only because they can lol.
I guess I didn't remember the increase because my build before this latest one I ordered 3 blocks vs just one this time around. I looked at my receipts and there was a $10 difference, so still not much.
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Prices aren't quite as high as I expected. I'll wait for the 3080 Ti or whatever the next model is called, which will probably hit around the time Intel has its feeble discrete GPUs on offer.

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I'm also still running a 970 with 1080p... and 4790k and have been looking at
the evga ftw 2 and ftw3 cards.

Since this news finally came out I'm thinking about upgrading to 2080 or 2070
and then get a 1440p monitor......

The problem is waiting on reviews now ..... and so it looks like getting a evga
with dual bios might be 4-5 months away, if they even release a card with dual
bios........... hope they do .
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Slept on it last night and am wondering if these are just Pascal cards with dedicated raytracing hardware bolted on.

Also, this isn't promising: https://www.kitguru.net/components/g...on-rtx-2080ti/

Still early and waiting for reviews but won't hesitate to cancel my pre-order.
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Show us those Rasterization improvements, Nvidia, and then we'll see if it's worth investing another grand for another 20 frames.......

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Show us those Rasterization improvements, Nvidia, and then we'll see if it's worth investing another grand for another 20 frames.......
Yup, they made sure to not make a single statement about rasterized performance.

My buddy who sells graphics cards as part of his business has a theory which actually make quite a lot of sense.

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Over supply of 10xx series chips is a real thing, distribution told me that, the rest of this is a guess. Oversupply = due to mining.

2080 was ready months ago, but they didn't want to release it because of the over supply. Hence the 3rd party cards are all ready to go on launch day from like every manufacturer.

They waited and waited but now the Ti is ready.... with 7nm die shrink around the corner (AMD said 7nm vega is releasing this year).

So now they have no choice but to release it and price them above the 10xx series so they can still get rid of their 10xx series cards.
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It's certainly plausible.......I also think they were enjoying the stretch the 1080 gave them, Nvidia can afford to sit on technology...but board manufacturers cannot, they're always marketing the next upgrade...when they have nothing to sell, they stagnate.
I'm still amazed we are seeing Ti's ship on day one. I guess I must ask, why wouldn't you buy a Ti knowing full well they offer a good uptick of performance for their price premium, usually........and they are generally marketed towards the crowd that

is already itching for the next upgrade, which is why they always deliver a solid 25-35%+ more oomph than the normal-clocked boards....making them a legitimate upgrade path, not a lateral move.

But....but...when you have the 70, the 80 and the Ti and hell probably a Titan or three as well coming.....uh......well.....that's a lotta choice all at once. You have to ask why they aren't holding the Ti parts off.......people need time to digest, THEN you bring them back to the Buffet

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Nvidia event in Cologne is going on now: https://www.twitch.tv/nvidia

Just pre-ordered my RTX 2080 Ti to go in my HTPC! If anyone is interested in a 1080 Ti FTW3, at a decent price, let me know.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/
This looks like its going to be 10-15% faster than a 1080TI except the ray tracing, which won't really be supported by much for a long time. I'd wait until sometime in 2019 and see what comes.

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The Turing architecture is a much more exciting proposition for general content creators and enterprise. But that won't stop company analysts and TV personalities who don't even game from saying things like "Nvidia's newest chips are a must and the only choice for gamers!" as they kneel before the shrine of Jensen Huang.
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It's certainly plausible.......I also think they were enjoying the stretch the 1080 gave them, Nvidia can afford to sit on technology...but board manufacturers cannot, they're always marketing the next upgrade...when they have nothing to sell, they stagnate.
I'm still amazed we are seeing Ti's ship on day one. I guess I must ask, why wouldn't you buy a Ti knowing full well they offer a good uptick of performance for their price premium, usually........and they are generally marketed towards the crowd that

is already itching for the next upgrade, which is why they always deliver a solid 25-35%+ more oomph than the normal-clocked boards....making them a legitimate upgrade path, not a lateral move.

But....but...when you have the 70, the 80 and the Ti and hell probably a Titan or three as well coming.....uh......well.....that's a lotta choice all at once. You have to ask why they aren't holding the Ti parts off.......people need time to digest, THEN you bring them back to the Buffet
Yeah, that is why his theory makes so much sense. I have bought Titans since the original Keplar gen. Titan always was the fastest, the earliest. Then the Tis would come out later, usually about 9 months to half a year later and roughly match the performance. Over time that gap closed and the Tis came out even faster.

Now we are at the point where the theory really checks out, that Nvidia was sitting on these cards, which is why the Ti is available at launch and not only the Ti but the 3rd party cards are launching in parallel. (I would typically call them AIBs but I had heard all the PCBs are the same.)

I mentioned earlier that I already have a 2080 Ti preordered for my HTPC but I am worried that there may not be that 25-35% improvement over my 1080 Ti FTW3 in normal rasterized workloads. It also feels weird to pay the same price for the 2080 Ti that I have for my Titan Xs but without the extra 1GB of RAM and launching in tandem with all the cards. (I realize that sounds extremely superficial and admittedly it is but where is the premium pricing coming from!?)

7nm GPU dies are likely around the corner and they are stuck between trying to dump Pascal cards and make them look like a deal, get these Turing cards out ASAP before 7nm are a thing. Seems their hands are forced.

All those things combined make me weary of these 20xx cards...
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We'll see, I'm waiting to see if Kyle at HardOCP signs the NDA or not to get review samples. I expect...honestly? I expect the tick in the tock cycle....so if its, you know, normally a 25% improvemet...its 35%......now if they blow us all away with 50%+, ok, I like a seasoned mayo with my crow.

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We'll see, I'm waiting to see if Kyle at HardOCP signs the NDA or not to get review samples. I expect...honestly? I expect the tick in the tock cycle....so if its, you know, normally a 25% improvemet...its 35%......now if they blow us all away with 50%+, ok, I like a seasoned mayo with my crow.
If it is the normal improvement, that will be unfortunate since we usually see those gains yearly, not every other year.
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There has been some early impressions from some demos with ray tracing at GamesCon but with no benchmarking tools, however at Resetera there was a thread discussing how Shadow of the Tomb Raider was running between 30-40 FPS at 1080P with the the 2080ti. To be fair that code may not be full optimized and if I understand correctly RT will not be included at launch.


That may not bode well for the 2070 in regards to RT performance and depending on conventional performance metrics will decide whether I go for the 1070ti versus the 2070.


The RT tech is really cool but it likely will be a couple of years before it widely supported and running well on cards that are not the bleeding edge.

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There has been some early impressions from some demos with ray tracing at GamesCon but with no benchmarking tools, however at Resetera there was a thread discussing how Shadow of the Tomb Raider was running between 30-40 FPS at 1080P with the the 2080ti. To be fair that code may not be full optimized and if I understand correctly RT will not be included at launch.


That may not bode well for the 2070 in regards to RT performance and depending on conventional performance metrics will decide whether I go for the 1070ti versus the 2070.


The RT tech is really cool but it likely will be a couple of years before it widely supported and running well on cards that are not the bleeding edge.
As expected. Even the smallest of ray tracing features will destroy performance. It is indeed much too early to get excited about the tech for gaming purposes. There will be very few graphical "oohs" and "aahs" of the Crysis days until full-on ray traced gaming becomes a reality.
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Performance maybe better once developers have more time with the hardware and code. The rumor is that SOTTR and BFV teams have only had a few weeks to implement the ray tracing features, so there is still plenty of opportunity for things to improve; at least for the 2080 cards, the 2070 RT maybe a complete nonstarter.


I wonder if Nvidia will be releasing new GTX cards that do not have the RTX silicone to fill the gap below the $600 price point.

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I wonder if Nvidia will be releasing new GTX cards that do not have the RTX silicone to fill the gap below the $600 price point.
They did, two years ago, they are the 1050 Ti - 1080.

Half joking but since they have a surplus of the Pascal cards, I don't see them ramping up production of a market they already have covered.
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Looks like Nvidia is releasing frame rate and frame pacing numbers for their demos, scuttlebutt is some games scaling to 45%+ and others are in the 20% range, so you know, the kind of variance we see when its GPU vs CPU and so forth.......if the improvements are closer to 50% as others are stating online, that would explain the price-point, putting it closer to Titan territory.

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Performance maybe better once developers have more time with the hardware and code. The rumor is that SOTTR and BFV teams have only had a few weeks to implement the ray tracing features, so there is still plenty of opportunity for things to improve; at least for the 2080 cards, the 2070 RT maybe a complete nonstarter.

True, though I imagine developers have little incentive to spend the time to fully optimize these add-in features. The only upcoming game to have me saying "wow" for its visuals is the Resident Evil 2 remake, which doesn't need any afterthought ray tracing tech to create that impression.
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True, though I imagine developers have little incentive to spend the time to fully optimize these add-in features. The only upcoming game to have me saying "wow" for its visuals is the Resident Evil 2 remake, which doesn't need any afterthought ray tracing tech to create that impression.

And therein is the big rub on RT IMO. It is a spectacular technology that has been around for a fairly long time. Hollywood uses it extensively in its scene rendering processes. Especially in animated movies. But it is costly...time consuming...and a power hog (processing). In a gaming world that is dominated by consoles with AMD GPU/APU platforms...I'm just not sure how meaningful this GPU advance will be in the near term. But that has been my view since around 2012...when I 1st became intrigued with Ray Tracing. I suspect the fight for developer budget dollars will always be prioritized to 'household' dynamics. Which means; develop for consoles...but with portability to Win 10 PC gaming. For them to shift to a PC 1st priority, with portability to console is just not reality to me right now. And I sure don't envision MS, Sony, or Nintendo signing up for $1000 GPU's in their next gen Consoles. Maybe there is a happy medium in there somewhere...but I sure don't see it right now. So essentially I would be spending $1000 for a GPU, I can strut in only 2-5 RT games. Too rich for my blood!

Now VR is a whole new ballgame. And that is where PC has a quantum level advantage over console/HDTV. The NVidia RTX series could be a game changer in that domain. And give Devs the kind of power and elasticity they need to blow the socks off that category. IMO that super VR realism should be the main emphasis Nvidia should be pumping, along with the increased frames for 1080p-4k gaming for these elite cards. IMO that would move the needle with HTPC/VR gamers.

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I guess if you're a gamer desperate to to show off the highest FPS number in a bench (or if you produce content and can make use of the real-time raytracing) they might make sense despite the astronomical price, but for HTPC use I have no reason to upgrade my 1080Ti until they offer a model with HDMi 2.1 (hardware 48gb/s support vs 18gb/s of HDMI 2.0x). For me that was the deal breaker. I can always use more power with MadVR, but these GPUs will be obsolete in 6-12 months max, with 7nm models being released, bringing down the 285W power and bringing HDMI 2.1 support (which I'm looking forward to for RGB 4:4:4 10/12 bits support at 60p and above).

No idea why anyone would pay that price for a GPU (that's 100% more than I paid for my 1080Ti a year ago), and very bad news if people do keep their pre-order and don't send to nVidia the right message: at that price, without HDMI 2.1 or 7nm and with 285W power, stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

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Curious to see what they do, if anything, for VR in *hardware*.........anyone heard anything?

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This looks like its going to be 10-15% faster than a 1080TI except the ray tracing, which won't really be supported by much for a long time. I'd wait until sometime in 2019 and see what comes.
Unless some new got to have RT game comes out, my thoughts exactly.
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This looks like its going to be 10-15% faster than a 1080TI except the ray tracing, which won't really be supported by much for a long time. I'd wait until sometime in 2019 and see what comes.
It actually looks like it will be quite a bit more substantial than that.



Even ignoring the DLSS acceleration, you're seeing a 35% gain (at the minimum across the titles they display in the graph) and then even higher gains with DLSS enabled.

One really interesting thing is that you can send you game code to Nvidia, they run it through a super computer and give it back to you with only a few MB payload to your build size and it is optimized for DLSS and all for free.
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