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OTHER AUDIO SETTINGS

AUDIO BUTTONS ON THE REMOTE

Audio (p20)
This button is sort of hidden to the right of the 0 on the number pad. It shows an on screen display of the track being played. The arrows will scroll through the other available choices. But, you can't see a list. Arrowing through the choices changes them as you go.

Display (pp28-29)
Disc / Signal Type has details about the video and audio being played, including the secondary audio track. You can't make any changes.

The Audio screen allows you to select various sound effects modes and a Dialog Enhancer that increases the volume of the center channel.

I have made changes to the audio choice using the display/signal type menu. I'm not sure about the other things, but I beleive some things can be changed from here.
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I have made changes to the audio choice using the display/signal type menu. I'm not sure about the other things, but I beleive some things can be changed from here.

Thanks. You are correct. I modified the original posting.
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Since DTS has this "amplification" "remapping" feature to make 7.1 outputs out of 5.1 material, as utilized on the BD-55 ... are we sure that all features noted as being 7.1 mixes (and that seems to be titles released in DTS HD-Master most often) actually are 7.1 mixes? I know in some cases (for example New Line titles) that are 7.1 have been remixed for 7.1 for home theater release only, after the film mix was completed. But I've never heard of a film mixed for theaters in 7.1. At least that's never been a promotional advertised feature about a film. Isn't it possible that the video releases being mastered in DTS HD-Master are being called 7.1 because it's been mastered to take advantage of the DTS "amplification" method and not because of an actual 7.1 mix?
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Thanks BIslander for the great audio post #6017.

I have one question regarding the following from your post...

"Next, you need define your speaker sizes and their distances from the sweet spot. The speaker settings are on p34. With digital audio, all of the processing associated with your speaker settings is done in the receiver. But, with analog, it has to be done in the player before the digital to analog conversion. The receiver speaker settings are ignored when you are using analog."

I believe you mean all the receiver settings, except individual speaker volume levels, are ignored. I think most receivers will allow adjustment of the volume levels for analog channels, including the sub-wolfer. This allows adjustment in the player and the receiver to get the levels to where you want them.

The room where I have my A/V setup is small and I don't plan to upgrade from 5.1 to 7.1. I am very happy with the BD55 and the fact that I can now enjoy lossless audio without purchasing a new hi-end A/V receiver.

Now if I can find a HDMI switch that will pass 1080p video from the BD55, I will be one happy camper! The Monoprice 4X1 1.3b Certified switch, mentioned in this thread, would only pass 1080i for me.
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No, what matters is that the 35 and 55 can output 1080i/720p which will work with a 720p display. If the 720 display is natively a 756 display, 1080i may look a bit better.

Why is that?

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Thanks BIslander for the great audio post #6017.

I have one question regarding the following from your post...

"Next, you need define your speaker sizes and their distances from the sweet spot. The speaker settings are on p34. With digital audio, all of the processing associated with your speaker settings is done in the receiver. But, with analog, it has to be done in the player before the digital to analog conversion. The receiver speaker settings are ignored when you are using analog."

I believe you mean all the receiver settings, except individual speaker volume levels, are ignored. I think most receivers will allow adjustment of the volume levels for analog channels, including the sub-wolfer. This allows adjustment in the player and the receiver to get the levels to where you want them.

Yes, you can still adjust output levels in the receiver. Processing and volume are different. But, as it appears the meaning is not clear, I will add the level adjustment caveat to the post. Thanks.
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I noticed a couple of features that aren't in the manual:
If you hit the power button while watching a DVD it will remember where you left off,this doesn't work for BD unfortunately.
Subtitles are on by default and you can turn them off by using Display,if you want to turn off subtitles by default then go to Setup>Disc>Subtitles>Other and enter 0000 then OK.
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Hi I am hooking the 55 to a HT-SR800 onkyo 7.1 system that has HDMI but only pass though so I do not use it, I have the player hooked tot eh receiver useing the 7.1 anolog hook ups and also the Digital optical cable, the reason I run both because in order to get the Lastest surround sounds from bluray I need to use analog. My player and hte receiver both have the 7.1 analog hook ups. But I am unable to get any of the other digital sounds found on most SD DVDS with out teh digtial hook ups.

So in the menu of teh 55 canI switch between anolog and digital, I know my reciever has a digital/analog switch, or can I leave it on analog and just change it on my reciever?

Also What should I the other settings be bitstream, pcm down conversions and all that stuff, Speakers large or small ( Can I just leave that nad use my reciever) the tv is A HLT 6176 S Sammsung DLP. Thanks but i am confused.

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Hi I am hooking the 55 to a HT-SR800 onkyo 7.1 system that has HDMI but only pass though so I do not use it, I have the player hooked tot eh receiver useing the 7.1 anolog hook ups and also the Digital optical cable, the reason I run both because in order to get the Lastest surround sounds from bluray I need to use analog. My player and hte receiver both have the 7.1 analog hook ups. But I am unable to get any of the other digital sounds found on most SD DVDS with out teh digtial hook ups.

The player will decode and output 5.1 from DVDs as well as BDs. You can use the analog outputs for everything.

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So in the menu of teh 55 canI switch between anolog and digital, I know my reciever has a digital/analog switch, or can I leave it on analog and just change it on my reciever?

You do the switching on the receiver. I use analog for BD and coax for DVD myself. There are no player changes that need to be made when making the switch.

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Also What should I the other settings be bitstream, pcm down conversions and all that stuff, Speakers large or small ( Can I just leave that nad use my reciever) the tv is A HLT 6176 S Sammsung DLP. Thanks but i am confused.

Please see post #6017. It has information about all of the BD55's audio settings.
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Hooked up my BD35 last night to my PJ and watched Kung Fu Panda

When loading Kung Fu Panda I had to sit through a couple of trailers, I couldn't force the main disc menu. Tried all the menu buttons, skip, ff, etc. Is this how some Blu-ray discs are?? Or is there secret button to push to skip to the disc main menu?
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[quote=JOE.G;15295734]Hi I am hooking the 55 to a HT-SR800 onkyo 7.1 system that has HDMI but only pass though so I do not use it, I have the player hooked tot eh receiver useing the 7.1 anolog hook ups and also the Digital optical cable, the reason I run both because in order to get the Lastest surround sounds from bluray I need to use analog. My player and hte receiver both have the 7.1 analog hook ups. But I am unable to get any of the other digital sounds found on most SD DVDS with out teh digtial hook ups.
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Are you sure the "pass through" isn't just for picture. Doesn't the HDMI allow PCM to the receiver? Why would they bother with HDMI at all if it only passed the video through and that's it? If it does accept PCM from the BD-55, that would be an easier way to connect, rather than all the analog cables. As far as your question, you should be able to get the digital signal by selecting the input that you have the digital connection hooked up to.("DVD" perhaps?) And when you want the analog, then you have to switch back to analog in or multi channel in or whatever it's called on that receiver. Or, just leave it in analog in and let the BD55 decode the regular DD or DTS as well as the advanced formats.
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BIslander I just read that post and it was help full, in there you say I must set the speakers size and distance in teh player if I use analog, the manual says I only have to do it if my reciever can't, right know I have my reciever set with the distances and levels can I just leave the play set to the default? thanks

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The same questions keep coming up about the audio capabilities and settings for these two players. So, I thought it might be helpful to get the basic audio information in one place. I have a BD55 set up for 5.1 analog and digital coax. I don’t have an HDMI capable receiver. Please don’t hesitate to note any alternatives (or errors!) in posts or by PM.

There are really only a handful of audio settings that you need to change in most cases.

This post is organized by the three connection types – HDMI, Optical/Coax, and Analog. There are some notes about other settings and buttons on the remote at the end.

HDMI

You can use these settings if you have a receiver that decodes TrueHD and dts-MA:

HDMI Audio Output = ON (p32)
Digital Audio Outputs (p31)
-DD = Bitstream
-DTS = Bitstream
-BD-Video Secondary Audio = OFF

The player will send all encoded audio tracks to your receiver for decoding. Uncompressed PCM tracks will be sent as PCM. You will not be able to listen to secondary audio for menu clicks or for PIP commentaries. To access secondary audio, you need to change the player set-up. It will then use a lossy track instead of the lossless one, at least when secondary audio is actually present. (The player actually decodes the track, mixes in secondary audio, and re-encodes it in a lossy format.)

Use these settings if you want the player to do the decoding:

HDMI Audio Output = ON (p32)
Digital Audio Outputs/(p31)
-DD = PCM
-DTS = PCM
-BD-Video Secondary Audio = OFF

The only change is PCM instead of bitstream. The player will decode whatever track you play and send the resulting multi-channel PCM to your receiver. You will not be able to listen to secondary audio for menu clicks or for PIP commentaries. To access secondary audio, you need to change the player set-up. It will then use a lossy track instead of the lossless one, at least when secondary audio is present.


OPTICAL and COAX (BD55)

HDMI Audio Output = OFF (p32)
Digital Audio Outputs (p31)
-DD = Bitstream
-DTS = Bitstream
-BD-Video Secondary Audio = ON

The manual has warnings in several different places about how setting HDMI Audio to ON can produce undesired results for non-HDMI audio outputs. The HDMI handshake with a TV, for example, may produce two channel downmixes elsewhere. Personally, I’ve tried all sorts of combinations and everything has worked as expected. However, the manual still advises setting HDMI Audio to OFF.

Optical and coax don’t support the new codecs. When you play a DTS-HD track, the player outputs the DTS core instead. Select a TrueHD track, and you get a companion DD 5.1 track. The larger size of Blu-ray discs means the legacy DD and DTS versions can be encoded at high bit rates. So, they usually sound better than the same tracks encoded at lower bit rates on DVD.

Do not set the Digital Audio Outputs to PCM. Optical and coax are limited to two channels of PCM. You’ll end up with a stereo downmix with the PCM setting. Some discs have 5.1 or 7.1 PCM tracks. These will also be downmixed to stereo when fed over optical or coax. To get multi-channel, you need to play a Dolby or DTS track instead of PCM. There are a small number of discs with multi-channel PCM, but no 5.1 DD or DTS tracks. Those discs will be a problem for people using optical or coax as their only connection.

You can leave Secondary Audio turned ON because you are only getting a lossy track anyway. The player will mix in menu clicks and PIP commentary audio and re-encode everything for bitstream output.

btw, the Digital Audio Output settings on p31 control the HDMI, optical, and coax outputs. That means you can’t have different settings for HDMI and optical or coax.


ANALOG (BD55)

With the BD35, you must use HDMI to get lossless audio. If your receiver lacks HDMI, you can still get lossless with the BD55’s analog outputs.

HDMI Audio Output = OFF (p32)
Analog Audio Output (p32)
For a 5.1 system, select 2ch (Downmix) + 5.1 ch
For a 7.1 system, select 7.1 ch
BD-Video Secondary Audio = OFF (p31).

Unlike some players, the Digital Audio Output settings do not affect analog decoding and they can be set to either PCM or bitstream. I set mine to bitstream because I use analog for BDs and coax for DVDs.

There are no settings to enable analog output. The player will decode and process whatever track you play for output over analog. If you have configured the player for 2ch + 5.1 ch, then 7.1 discs will be downmixed to 5.1.

For lossless, you need to turn off Secondary Audio. As with HDMI, the player switches to a lossy version of the track when secondary audio is present.

The analog set-up is a bit more involved and I won’t go into all of the details in this post. Basically, you need to run analog cables from the player to your receiver. You need to do speaker set-ups in the player. And, you need to boost the subwoofer output in the receiver or at the sub itself.

The Analog Audio Output tells the player whether you have a 5.1 or 7.1 system. That’s how the player knows to downmix 7.1 discs to 5.1 so that no channels are lost. There are six outputs on the back of the player for the speaker outputs in a 5.1 system. If you have a 7.1 system, the BD55 re-assigns the two outputs that are normally used for analog stereo to the rear surround speakers.

Next, you need define your speaker sizes and their distances from the sweet spot. The speaker settings are on p34. With digital audio, all of the processing associated with your speaker settings is done in the receiver. But, with analog, it has to be done in the player before the digital to analog conversion. Aside from output levels, the receiver speaker settings are ignored when you are using analog.

You can adjust speaker volumes. They can be lowered, not raised, and the rear speakers in a 7.1 system cannot be adjusted at all. The volume settings are a pain because you don’t hear the levels change. You have to run the Test tones, make the changes during the test, click Complete, exit set-up, and then actually play a disc to hear the results of your changes. Also, there’s no test tone for the sub.

LFE and redirected bass are output 10db-15db low from all players. The sub needs to be boosted in your receiver to get the proper bass response. Check your receiver manual for how/whether it handles the needed analog subwoofer boost.

As noted with optical/coax, the manual has warnings in several different places about how setting HDMI Audio to ON can produce undesired results for non-HDMI audio outputs. The HDMI handshake with a TV, for example, may produce two channel downmixes elsewhere. I’ve tried all sorts of combinations and everything has worked as expected. However, the manual still advises setting HDMI Audio to OFF.


OTHER AUDIO SETTINGS

PCM Down Conversion (p31)
Some receivers can’t handle audio with a 96 kHz sampling rate. Change this setting to ON if you have such a receiver. This won’t come in to play very often, if ever.

Downmix (p31)
This will almost never matter. It controls how multi-channel recordings are downmixed to stereo for PCM output. The default setting is Stereo. If your receiver has ProLogic or other such surround DSPs, then change it to Surround Encoded. Surround is the right setting for most systems.


AUDIO BUTTONS ON THE REMOTE

Audio (p20)
This button is sort of hidden to the right of the 0 on the number pad. It shows an on screen display of the track being played. The arrows will scroll through the other available choices. But, you can’t see a list. Arrowing through the choices changes them as you go.

Display (pp28-29)
“Disc / Signal Type” has details about the video and audio being played, including the secondary audio track. If there are audio choices, you can make changes here as well.

The “Audio” screen allows you to select various sound effects modes and a Dialog Enhancer that increases the volume of the center channel.

Secondary Audio (p21)
If you have set BD-Video Secondary Audio to ON, this button turns it off for PIP commentaries (but not menu clicks) on the fly. I’m not sure why that would ever be needed. But, that’s what it does.


FOOTNOTES ABOUT AUDIO

p8 of the manual has an excellent chart showing what kind of audio will be output from each type of connector based on the track being played, along with how the outputs change depending on whether secondary audio is on or off.

That chart and the text on the next two pages seem to suggest that your system has to be configured for 7.1 to get lossless analog audio. But, that doesn’t make any sense and appears to be another example of a poorly written manual.

Secondary audio pretty much has to be off in order to make sure you are getting lossless decoding. The manual never says a lossy track is substituted when secondary audio is on, but Panasonic indicated as much in a December 2008 email to Chris Boylan of Big Picture Big Sound. Chris says it is his understanding that the player will use the lossless track unless there is actually secondary audio in the stream (menu sounds or PIP commentary on an extra). Then, it will switch to the lossy version. So, it will switch back and forth.

Unlike some players, the analog and digital outputs operate simultaneously and independently. You can set the player up to decode and output lossless tracks over analog and to bitstream lossy tracks over optical or coax at the same time. This is handy for comparing the two outputs. More importantly, it enables you to use digital for DVD playback without needing to change the player set-up.

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13Dec08: Clarifies how secondary audio affects lossless processing.

This is a great post. I have a question however. If my avr (denon 1909) can decode and I use HDMI, is there any benefit with having the player doing the decoding? I can't see any difference when I go bitstream or pcm? In other words, which is a better way to go?
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When I first connected my BD55 to the Internet, it configured everything automatically and immediately began downloading firmware ver. 1.6. Unfortunately I left the room and when I returned the player was in "normal" mode with the the blue "Blu-ray' screen displayed. I went to manual download in setup and selected download. The message displayed was "You have the latest firmware. No update available," and just assumed that the firmware update was successful.

Later I was re-reading the manual and on page 14 it states that I should have seen a message "The firmware was updated. Current installed version: X.X" and you need to press 'OK' to acknowledge this message to continue.

Since I did not see this message, I am now concerned that the update was not successful. Does anyone know how I can display th current firmware version or otherwise determine if the update was successful. Should I try to force another update?

Any related experience would be appreciated.
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Why is that?

One less scaling step and fewer lines are thrown away.

If the display's native resolution is not 720, then the player scales to 720 and the display rescales up to something else, such as 768 for most 720p TVs. If you send 1080 to the TV, then there's only one scaling step down to 768.

If you scale to 720 and then up to 768, you've discarded 48 lines needlessly. If you send 1080 and scale down to 768, the set doesn't have to create those other 48 lines on its own.
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I have my bd55 hooked up with the 6 channel analog audio to my Harmon Kardon avr146. While watching movies I do not hear bass from the sub. The sub does work with other sources (using toslink). I checked the cables and nothing is loose. Any suggestions?

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Again, very interesting on the Dave Matthews reviews. I was not particularly impressed, but there you go. OK - back to the thread.

One thing I have noticed about my BD-35 is that it produces a different looking picture than my HD-A2. They talk about audio products having a distinctive "house" sound, and I wonder if the same applies to Blu-ray players. I have a 2006 Hitachi Director's Series Plasma (55HDX99). When I shopped for my set, I also compared to Panasonic and Samsung. Each produced a different looking picture, but there was a certain "something" about the Panasonic's picture that I now see in the images produced by the BD35. To me, it looks slightly less like film and more like video. There is a "glossy" quality to it, and the colours don't look quite as natural to me as other HD material I've seen on my TV. I think I read something on this forum about a slight red push on the BD35, but to me, it looks like the blues are just a touch too cool. I've had my TV ISF-calibrated on an SD DVD player, so it's not a question of it being calibrated for the HD-A2.

Do Panasonic's Blu-ray players "add" anything in the way of colour or additional processing? I remember the knock against earlier Panasonic plasmas being that they achieved excellent PQ, but did not have accurate colour. I believe this is no longer true, but it is strange to me to look at my Hitachi and say "that's a Panasonic picture". Over at a friend's house yesterday, he had a Pioneer Elite Blu-ray feeding his 58" Panasonic plasma - breathtaking PQ (kids' animation movie), but again, definitely a "Panasonic picture".

Actually, Moe, calibration settings derived with an SD DVD player, at least color-wise, won't be totally valid for any HD media player, whether HD DVD or Blu-Ray. Grayscale should be the same, but HD uses a different color space from SD, with differences in red and green intensities. Ideally, you'd want to calibrate to each source.

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When I first connected my BD55 to the Internet, it configured everything automatically and immediately began downloading firmware ver. 1.6. Unfortunately I left the room and when I returned the player was in "normal" mode with the the blue "Blu-ray' screen displayed. I went to manual download in setup and selected download. The message displayed was "You have the latest firmware. No update available," and just assumed that the firmware update was successful.

Later I was re-reading the manual and on page 14 it states that I should have seen a message "The firmware was updated. Current installed version: X.X" and you need to press 'OK' to acknowledge this message to continue.

Since I did not see this message, I am now concerned that the update was not successful. Does anyone know how I can display th current firmware version or otherwise determine if the update was successful. Should I try to force another update?

Any related experience would be appreciated.

This has been discussed several times and is in the manual:
Setup>Display>Status
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This is a great post. I have a question however. If my avr (denon 1909) can decode and I use HDMI, is there any benefit with having the player doing the decoding? I can't see any difference when I go bitstream or pcm? In other words, which is a better way to go?

There shouldn't be any difference, except that with bitstream your Denon display will say TrueHD and dts-Master Audio instead of Multi PCM. Some people really like that. At first, it looked like player decoding allowed you to set Secondary Audio to ON and leave it there. Now, that no longer appears to be the case. So, you have to change player setups to activate secondary audio either way.
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I noticed a couple of features that aren't in the manual:
If you hit the power button while watching a DVD it will remember where you left off,this doesn't work for BD unfortunately.

Resume play works for BD's that don't have Java content. It seems that the majority of BD releases are BD-J's which do not allow resume play (but many offer a bookmark feature to allow you to get back to that spot once the BD reloads).
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I have my bd55 hooked up with the 6 channel analog audio to my Harmon Kardon avr146. While watching movies I do not hear bass from the sub. The sub does work with other sources (using toslink). I checked the cables and nothing is loose. Any suggestions?

You need to boost the sub output in your receiver when using analog. Check your receiver manual to see whether/how it can do that. If it can't, you should simply turn up the volume on the sub and then go into your AVR and lower the sub output for your digital sources so that they don't end up with too much bass.
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Since DTS has this "amplification" "remapping" feature to make 7.1 outputs out of 5.1 material, as utilized on the BD-55 ... are we sure that all features noted as being 7.1 mixes (and that seems to be titles released in DTS HD-Master most often) actually are 7.1 mixes? I know in some cases (for example New Line titles) that are 7.1 have been remixed for 7.1 for home theater release only, after the film mix was completed. But I've never heard of a film mixed for theaters in 7.1. At least that's never been a promotional advertised feature about a film. Isn't it possible that the video releases being mastered in DTS HD-Master are being called 7.1 because it's been mastered to take advantage of the DTS "amplification" method and not because of an actual 7.1 mix?

The is no DTS "amplification" feature in DTS-HD.

DTS-HD MA 7.1 releases (and it is still a big minority of titles released) are true 7.1 mixes that have been purposely remastered for home theater.

There is no 7.1 (with 4 surround channels) for theatrical.

There is no amplification of 5.1 to 7.1 in the DTS HD codec... what would be the point, as there are existing DTS and Dolby technologies to do it.

In the DTS HD encoding environment, there is the ability for the mixing team to enter mixing coefficients to tell the decoder how to remap the speakers for for 7.1 playback in a format different from how it was mixed (i.e. back surrounds at 90 degrees vs. 120) and 5.1 fold down.... there is no such feature to go the other way...

Even if there was, what can you do to expand 2 surround channels into 4 outside of using a matrix decoder? I don't know what Panasonic is doing, but since the 5.1 > 7.1 surround channels aren't discrete, they are either using the matrix decoder portion of their audio decoding sub system, or doing a 70/30 (for example) split of each side to the rears...

The other thing that supports my position is this... why is it that every other player and AVR made to date doesn't do this.. if these up-mix coefficients (which as I said can only be a ratio/percentage to steer) exists, every product to date have been ignoring them.

All this being said, I'll talk to DTS and see if they know what Panasonic is up to.
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Check out Monoprice. I recently purchased a 6CAT 25ft ethernet cable very cheap from them. The shipping was very fast and the build quaility of the cable seems to be very good. They are a reputatble internet company I've purchased many cables from them. Good luck. Peace.

Thanks. I've looked at their cables. The manual stresses using "shielded" cable. Nothing in Monoprice's description mentions shielding. Other sites do, but their cables are up to five times the cost. Oh well, for once in a while use...
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The is no DTS "amplification" feature in DTS-HD.

Marc, I think the problem here is that Panasonic has added an "amplification" feature on the BD35/55, expanding 5.1 to 7.1 for DTS-HD playback. This is limited to DTS, not Dolby or PCM, and the manual says it is done in accordance with DTS specs. The email Chris Boylan received from Panasonic engineering also tied the Panasonic feature to DTS specifications. It's all quite mysterious.
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Now if I can find a HDMI switch that will pass 1080p video from the BD55, I will be one happy camper! The Monoprice 4X1 1.3b Certified switch, mentioned in this thread, would only pass 1080i for me.

Have you looked into the OPPO HM-31? www.oppodigital.com/hm31
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Marc, I think the problem here is that Panasonic has added an "amplification" feature on the BD35/55, expanding 5.1 to 7.1 for DTS-HD playback. This is limited to DTS, not Dolby or PCM, and the manual says it is done in accordance with DTS specs. The email Chris Boylan received from Panasonic engineering also tied the Panasonic feature to DTS specifications. It's all quite mysterious.

I may be wrong about this.. but it would be the first I've heard of it... the only thing that leads me to question what I know is the engineer stating that the coefficients are "fixed.." However, as I said, it also hasn't been seen in any other products up to this point... maybe nobody else has implemented it, or is part of a new subset I haven't been privy too.

Since I don't have this player, does it also do it on DTS HD decoded over HDMI?

If so, that's too bad, as it would preclude you from using a matrix decoder (which is a better way to do it and the only way to get true movement in a 5.1>7.1 system) inside the AVR.. if it is indeed doing this on the HDMI outs, all they are doing is copying a mono signal to 2 channels at a fixed ration... which also begs they question why do they need a coefficient form DTS to figure that out?

I'd be a little upset in losing the ability to use PLIIx or Neo, and IMO, is the wrong way to go about it.

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You need to boost the sub output in your receiver when using analog. Check your receiver manual to see whether/how it can do that. If it can't, you should simply turn up the volume on the sub and then go into your AVR and lower the sub output for your digital sources so that they don't end up with too much bass.

I did boost the output on the sub...I'll do it more. I did turn the volume on the sub all the way up and still didn't hear anything from it.
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I don't know if it's just me, but does anyone else wish the BD35 allowed you to play mp3 music files from the SD card? The unit only plays MP3 from 700mb cd-rw discs. This is a lot better than other units that don't let you play any mp3. However, I have a 16GB sdhc card that keeps all my music. It would be so much easier to load up the one sdhc card, rather than multiple cd-rw discs. Has anyone else asked pana on this one?

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I may be wrong about this.. but it would be the first I've heard of it... the only thing that leads me to question what I know is the engineer stating that the coefficients are "fixed.." However, as I said, it also hasn't been seen in any other products up to this point... maybe nobody else has implemented it, or is part of a new subset I haven't been privy too.

Since I don't have this player, does it also do it on DTS HD decoded over HDMI?

If so, that's too bad, as it would preclude you from using a matrix decoder (which is a better way to do it and the only way to get true movement in a 5.1>7.1 system) inside the AVR.. if it is indeed doing this on the HDMI outs, all they are doing is copying a mono signal to 2 channels at a fixed ration... which also begs they question why do they need a coefficient form DTS to figure that out?

I'd be a little upset in losing the ability to use PLIIx or Neo, and IMO, is the wrong way to go about it.

I'm on it with my contacts.

Thanks. I'm using 5.1 analog and cannot test this myself. But, yes, it is my understanding that DTS-HD 5.1 is "amplified" to 7.1 for PCM and analog and there's no way to turn the "feature" off. That's what the manual says and other posters have confirmed that performance in practice.
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