Originally Posted by MikeSp
Knowing that BD software changes and that Fox is a PITA about theirs, I can see both sides of this situation. OTOH, when I make a HT or audio purchase, it is with the thought that each piece is quality and will have a long life and is NOT disposable. IF the 8 series cannot have their f/w updated, then why would I have the expectation that their 10 series would not have the same issue four years down the road, or next year -- credibility has been lost. There have been some VERY substantial and detailed answers on this topic for which I am grateful, and will try to avoid Atmos-encoded Blu-rays and with a fairly large library of Blu-rays, the BDP83SE of mine that just ejects the new Transformers disk ("Wrong Disk") will still be used to play them but when there are a substantial number of Blu-rays encoded with Atmos in which I have zero interest, then I will turn to Panasonic for a second player and of course, my trusty PS3 seems to never be without regular f/w updates. I understand Oppo's situation and now they understand mine which they will have no concerns about. A dozen friends have series 8 players due to my recommendation and now are now happy with me for my recommendation and I have lost some credibility too. Since the picture quality is probably +- 1-3% between the cheapest and best BD player, it appears to me that buying a disposable unit makes the most sense to me.
The BDP-83 is of course not disposable. So far you have only experienced ONE disc that won't play, and it seems that most likely Oppo's
hands are tied if Mediatek doesn't want to retro-update their old chips.
Personally, I don't blame Oppo or Mediatek, as I feel 100% of the blame falls on FOX Studios for changing the DRM specs.
It's quite ridiculous of them to do so, since every time they do, pirates easily figure out a way around their elementary coding tricks.
The only thing they are thwarting, is the ability for legitimate paying consumers to enjoy their movies.
I can understand how you would have the expectation that a piece of hardware like the BDP-83 should be almost
infallible for a very long time, but things do sometimes change and Oppo has no control over that.
As for said change, having the same expectation for the 10x series of players is quite a bit safer,
since more manufacturers use the same chips as in those players compared to the 8x series players.
If discs were to start failing in those players, then they would fail in many other players and that would not fly.
I don't think any credibility has been lost from Oppo. It's not their fault, and there's nothing they can do about it.
That's like saying if an automobile driver runs a red light and smashes into your car, that your credibility as a safe driver is now lost.
The fault is not yours, but is of the other driver who failed to abide by the rules of the road.
You can take that analogy as far as you like, and even say that maybe your car is so old, it can't be repaired...
or that the insurance company won't give you enough money to replace it with an equal valued vehicle.
All those aspects are not fair, but as they say, cest la vie.
(Another poster (Bob) already covered the fact that Atmos encoded discs have no issues the 8x players,
so I don't need to re-explain that.)
Buying another cheap player to supplement your 83 is one option, but personally, if I were in the same situation,
I would invest in a way to make backup copies of my BDs where the problem can be removed and thus making said problem discs playable again.
I suspect many 83 owners are doing exactly that, since we only have a handful of people talking about this issue.
Once again, as previously mentioned here, the Sony PS3 is one of those products still being sold as new with full warranty,
and thus because of it's feature set, does still get fw updates.
The issue that has occurred with the 8x players will probably never happen to the PS3, because the studios know how many
PS3s are on the market, and because of that they will use the PS3 to test their product against before releasing it.
Unfortunately, they are not as kind to test it against all players on the market, which they could easily do, but just don't
because they just simply don't care to.
Sorry about your rep being in jep with the recommendation of the 83. FWIW you weren't wrong to do so, but it's just one of those things.
As it stands there are solutions to the problem without losing your head or hardware.
The BDP-83 is still fully functional, works with 99.999% of discs that are put in it, has many other functions aside from BD
playback that work flawlessly, and still retains a good resale value.
You can't say the same for any of the cheaper players where you are lucky if they last more than a couple years
before the hardware fails and they just get thrown in the trash.
I'm not saying the situation doesn't suck, it does, but you do have options.