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post #39721 of 41482 Old 11-04-2014, 08:47 AM
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OPPO (with substantial assistance from MediaTek) now has a handle on why X-Men: DOFP will not play. In brief FOX screwed up, but in a way that only gets caught by decoders which strictly enforce the standard as written -- such as the older MediaTek decoder in the 83, which was built at a time when strict adherence to the rules was what the industry was asking for. And yes, it all has to do with FOX's latest, cunning new scheme for copy protection.

The rule they broke is not strictly enforced by newer decoders, including newer decoders from MediaTek such as are found in the 9x and 10x players.

Next step is to see if OPPO can come up with a workaround which doesn't put other disc playback at risk. No promises, but knowing what needs to be fixed is certainly a leg up.

Again, this would never have happened if FOX had paid more attention to authoring within the spec as written (i.e., authoring for customer satisfaction), instead of charging off willy-nilly after their latest, copy protection chimera.
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I'd love to see Fox pay some sort of price on this. Get slapped by the standards body somehow? Forced to re-release an updated disc that isn't broken, and replace discs for consumers having issues?

Meanwhile, if users can't play this title on their player then Fox's efforts at anti-piracy is going to have the exact opposite effect than they desired. When faced between a broken BD disc and an illegally-downloaded media file that plays perfectly, I can imagine how most users will vote.

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I'd love to see Fox pay some sort of price on this. Get slapped by the standards body somehow?
No, the studios are the big wheels in the Blu-ray world. They do the slapping, not the other way around.

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I'd love to see Fox pay some sort of price on this. Get slapped by the standards body somehow? Forced to re-release an updated disc that isn't broken, and replace discs for consumers having issues?

Meanwhile, if users can't play this title on their player then Fox's efforts at anti-piracy is going to have the exact opposite effect than they desired. When faced between a broken BD disc and an illegally-downloaded media file that plays perfectly, I can imagine how most users will vote.
I don't think BD+ has anything to do with illegally downloaded movie titles - just folks ripping off an actual commercially released BD? And BD+ doesn't seem to have much impact on that either . .

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It is kind of ironic; that a Blu-ray title like 'X-Men: Days of Future Past', from FOX studios, is the one that won't play in the older Oppo 83 BD player. ...And yet it plays on other BD players, even older.

We now know that Mediatek is "days of future past', and that FOX is "days of past future".

And yes, FOX is always changing the codes (copy protection). ...More than any other studios.

It's only life, and we all have to adapt with it. ...And the day that my Oppo 103 won't be able to play a certain Blu-ray movie title; that will be the day for me to upgrade. I've been there already, and so are many more of us...since 2006.

* Which player is the most lasting one? ...Probably the Sony PS3.
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Folks with original PS3 units that can't do Bitstream output of TrueHD are of course out of luck for Atmos tracks.

And the PS3 was never a great player for SD-DVD. Life is tough for folks who want consumer electronics hardware that works "forever".
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CD is forever.

Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, ... (Columbia records) are forever.
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CD is forever.

Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, ... (Columbia records) are forever.
Very true. I gotta say though, listening to "Kind of Blue" flawlessly on my 83 gives me a great way to spin that forever.
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...On SACDs too. ...From Oppo and Sony BD players.
... Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, and few others (Sony classical label).
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Folks with original PS3 units that can't do Bitstream output of TrueHD are of course out of luck for Atmos tracks.

And the PS3 was never a great player for SD-DVD. Life is tough for folks who want consumer electronics hardware that works "forever".
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It work thru PCM and at least it will Play any new movies that come out I have both, the PS3 can do more than 83 oppo.
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1. Can Dolby Atmos audio soundtracks (only one BD title right now; TF4) play through multichannel PCM audio output? ...Or only bitstreamed through Dolby TrueHD and DD+?

2. Are people still play/watch DVDs nowadays?
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CD is forever.
Tell that to the (thankfully not too big) pile of CD's that I had to replace because the discs became defective. I discovered this when re-ripping them to FLAC last year. And tell that to my first CD player that stopped functioning many years ago and is presumably in a landfill somewhere.

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1. Can Dolby Atmos audio soundtracks (only one BD title right now; TF4) play through multichannel PCM audio output?
Probably, but without the Atmos channels. I believe Bob was talking about people who actually want to use Atmos - those people are out of luck with an original PS3 because it can't bitstream those tracks and can't decode Atmos.

I think people should start a revolt as Sony clearly wasn't looking ahead when they designed the original PS3. Shame on them.

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2. Are people still play DVDs nowadays?
If a movie is available on Bluray, that's my preference. But there are still MANY great movies that are not available on Bluray, so DVD is still a very useful format. I'm not going to not watch a great movie just because it isn't available on Bluray. Of course, there are also many movies that aren't available on either format, so some people still keep VCR's and laserdisc players around.
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I think people should start a revolt as Sony clearly wasn't looking ahead when they designed the original PS3. Shame on them.
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Atmos is decoded in the AVR. Without Bitstream output you can't play Atmos.

There are still plenty of great catalog titles which are only available as SD-DVD. It's actually tougher for a Blu-ray player to do SD-DVD well than to do Blu-ray well.
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Folks with original PS3 units that can't do Bitstream output of TrueHD are of course out of luck for Atmos tracks.

And the PS3 was never a great player for SD-DVD. Life is tough for folks who want consumer electronics hardware that works "forever".
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It work thru PCM and at least it will Play any new movies that come out I have both, the PS3 can do more than 83 oppo.
I have an original PS3 and an 83, too, and your statement that the PS3 can do more is simply incorrect as far as movie and music disc playback.

For example, NO Sony product will ever play DVD-A music discs. And de-interlacing in the PS3 is a mess -- easily seen with test discs like Spears & Munsil.

The multi-channel Analog output of the PS3 is also, well, missing. As are things like video Picture Adjustments.

You can not play Atmos using PCM output. (Later PS3 models DO offer TrueHD Bitstream output, so no problem with those for Atmos.)

Of course the 83 won't play PS3 games, so to each his own.

And the PS3 is also better for Internet streaming apps. OPPO deferred those to its later players.

I'm not knocking the PS3. It is a great box for what it does, but the 83 is a better movie/music disc player in my testing.
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1. Can Dolby Atmos audio soundtracks (only one BD title right now; TF4) play through multichannel PCM audio output? ...Or only bitstreamed through Dolby TrueHD and DD+?
Bitstreamed. My 83 happily passed the Transformers 4 Atmos sound to my Pioneer 1019, which threw up its hands and played TrueHD 7.1.

Any limitation is in the AVR.

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2. Are people still play/watch DVDs nowadays?
All the time. Lots of good movies which never made it to bluray. I have them on DVD and may transfer them to VUDU or Amazon, in due time.

Some examples (for me): Lone Star State of Mind, The 13th Warrior, Milagro Beanfield War... etc, etc....

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I have an original PS3 and an 83, too, and your statement that the PS3 can do more is simply incorrect as far as movie and music disc playback.

For example, NO Sony product will ever play DVD-A music discs. And de-interlacing in the PS3 is a mess -- easily seen with test discs like Spears & Munsil.

The multi-channel Analog output of the PS3 is also, well, missing. As are things like video Picture Adjustments.

You can not play Atmos using PCM output. (Later PS3 models DO offer TrueHD Bitstream output, so no problem with those for Atmos.)

Of course the 83 won't play PS3 games, so to each his own.

And the PS3 is also better for Internet streaming apps. OPPO deferred those to its later players.

I'm not knocking the PS3. It is a great box for what it does, but the 83 is a better movie/music disc player in my testing.
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Also, the PS3 uses about 180 watts of electricity to play a Blu ray movie. Makes for a great space heater in the winter months. I think the OPPO uses about 13 to 15 watts and gets luke warm. Most time the fan doesn't even run.
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Here's a question for you BDP-83 experts...


I'm interested in this Region 2 PAL DVD:


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amityville-I.../dp/B0001M1JOS


Can this play on my un-modded BDP-83?
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Oh, and yes Bob (NorthSky that is)...many of us still do watch tons of DVDs, as some have noted here already. I have a massive standard DVD collection, many of which were never even released on Blu-ray or are of such rare, very cool "special edition" varieties, and as such I still rely on my trusty BDP-83 to upscale these discs to 1080p. Many of them look fantastic upconverted too, including old classics like Halloween, Halloween III, Escape From New York et al and more contemporary titles like The Fast and the Furious, Gladiator and Divergent just to name a few...
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I know; I was just asking.

I probably have over 3,000 DVD titles (many Special Editions too), and I might watch one or two per year now. ...So many Blu-ray movies (documentaries and music too), so little time.

* Me too, got several DVDs that are not on Blu yet.
... 'The Keep' ...directed by Michael Mann. ...Music by Tangerine Dream.

♦ The Oppo BDP-83; does it play 3D Blu-rays?

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I know; I was just asking.

I probably have over 3,000 DVD titles (many Special Editions too), and I might watch one or two per year now. ...So many Blu-ray movies (documentaries and music too), so little time.

* Me too, got several DVDs that are not on Blu yet.
... 'The Keep' ...directed by Michael Mann. ...Music by Tangerine Dream.

♦ The Oppo BDP-83; does it play 3D Blu-rays?

Gotcha -- and yeah, I almost forgot the smattering of "Superbit" DVDs I own as well, which I won't replace with Blu-rays even if they're available...


No, the BDP-83 doesn't support 3D...
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No, the BDP-83 doesn't support 3D...
Bummer.
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Bummer.
This my point there is no perfect Bluray player, Denon Sony OPPO Panasonic have Pro and cons.
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Here's a question for you BDP-83 experts...


I'm interested in this Region 2 PAL DVD:


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amityville-I.../dp/B0001M1JOS


Can this play on my un-modded BDP-83?
The PAL standard is no problem, but you have to handle the region code. This free software mod will make the player region-free for DVD: http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83

I have used it on every OPPO Blu-ray player and it has been trouble-free. It works for DVD regions, but has no effect on Blu-ray regions.

Else: DVD backup software strips region coding.

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There are still plenty of great catalog titles which are only available as SD-DVD. It's actually tougher for a Blu-ray player to do SD-DVD well than to do Blu-ray well.
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True story and the 83 is still one of the best upconverting players out there, arguably besting Oppo's newer generation models.

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The PAL standard is no problem, but you have to handle the region code. This free software mod will make the player region-free for DVD: http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83

I have used it on every OPPO Blu-ray player and it has been trouble-free. It works for DVD regions, but has no effect on Blu-ray regions.

Else: DVD backup software strips region coding.

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Thanks Bill...


So without doing the software mod, my player can't play the Region 2 discs?
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^Correct. You can't play non-region-1 discs without doing some type of mod.
Not all discs a region coded though. Sometimes discs are coded for ALL regions,
but if a disc is specifically hard coded for region 2, again you will need some kind of mod.
The free Superdisc software mod for dvd, or a hardware mod for Blu-ray.
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^ Correct. That or buying and installing a 3rd party hardware mod which ALSO provides Region Free for Blu-ray.

The software mod that Bill mentioned is easy to install, and free. But only works for SD-DVD Region Free.

Please do note that discs are often incorrectly labeled. I.e., some discs labeled on the packaging as locked to a particular Region aren't actually locked, and will play anyway.
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Thanks guys, three times over...


So it's possible that the disc in question may not be region locked depending on how it was authored, and that it may just play on my BDP-83 in a North American environment without a mod? I suppose all of this isn't even worth the trouble, because the title in question was actually released in a Region A Blu-ray box set along with other sequels in the franchise by Scream/Shout Factory and I could simply just get that, I suppose...the Region 2 Collector's Edition package, though, looks really great for a diehard fan with a booklet, lobby cards and even a remastered Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack, so I was very interested in it...


As for the standard DVD thing, yeah, that's all I have interest in this very moment is this one DVD title from Region 2 -- no Blu-rays for right now...
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