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Concerning the PURE button, I notice no audible differences when this is turned on, either with HDMI or analog 2-channel output. Does anyone? And (I'm cringing from anticipated slapback while asking this) has anyone noticed an audible difference with blind testing of PURE versus, I guess IMPURE?

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Concerning the PURE button, I notice no audible differences when this is turned on, either with HDMI or analog 2-channel output. Does anyone? And (I'm cringing from anticipated slapback while asking this) has anyone noticed an audible difference with blind testing of PURE versus, I guess IMPURE?
I don't think there is any difference. Just blanks the video. I usually just turn my TV off when listening to Pandora.
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Anyone know if the 103's DAC's are better than the Wolfson's that are in the Pio BDP-51?


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Anyone know if the 103's DAC's are better than the Wolfson's that are in the Pio BDP-51?
Probably not better, but possibly about as good. The BDP-105 and BDP-105D should be better though, but I haven't heard the Pioneer BDP-51 to make a comparison.
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Anyone notice MAJOR MKV issues with the most recent update?

If I pause an MKV (from a USB) the whole player locks up - no remote control, no panel control, etc.

I think this update essentially bricked the MKV playback functionality of my 103...
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Anyone notice MAJOR MKV issues with the most recent update?

If I pause an MKV (from a USB) the whole player locks up - no remote control, no panel control, etc.

I think this update essentially bricked the MKV playback functionality of my 103...
Try a complete reset of the player:

Remove any disc. Save your Settings to a USB stick. Set Energy Efficient. Power Off and back On again.

Now Erase Persistent Storage. Then Reset Settings.

When that finishes, power Off. Now pull the power plug. While still unplugged, press and hold Power button on the front panel for a few seconds.

Plug back in, power up, and restore your saved settings from the USB stick.

Check for your problem with MKV files. If it still exists, download a fresh copy of the 1031 firmware from the OPPO Digital web site. Get the version for install from a USB stick.

Go into Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Upgrade and select Install from USB. Re-install all of the separate pieces of the firmware.

If the problem STILL exists, call OPPO Tech Support for further help.
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^ Use Pure button -- upper left on the Remote -- to blank the video screen. Press it again to get video back.
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Great workaround. Thanks, Bob.

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The 1031 Firmware for EU Customers is Now Available on the OPPO UK Web Site

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Anyone notice MAJOR MKV issues with the most recent update?

If I pause an MKV (from a USB) the whole player locks up - no remote control, no panel control, etc.

I think this update essentially bricked the MKV playback functionality of my 103...
I don't remember suffering this issue with the beta...

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^ Did that work for you as a Network install? I'm trying to double check whether folks with Public Beta 0711B installed will have to do a USB install to get to Official 1031.

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IF you're still collecting data, I just network installed this last night over 0711B and it went flawlessly.

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Anyone notice MAJOR MKV issues with the most recent update?

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I think this update essentially bricked the MKV playback functionality of my 103...
I just checked my 103 and it pauses and resumes play normally with MKV playback. Firmware BDP10X-80-1031.

The only issue I've noticed is that playback usually begins at 3 to 4 seconds into the MKV file. I suspect this is the same issue of playback beginning well before the HDMI handshake is complete that has occurred with Blu-ray playback in the past (so that video and/or audio are blanked for the first few seconds when playback begins), but some of the previous firmware updates improved this to the point where it is rarely an issue now. Unfortunately I think it has gone the other way with MKV playback. I recall these same MKV files beginning playback very close to or at the beginning of the file with some of the earlier firmware versions.
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I just checked my 103 and it pauses and resumes play normally with MKV playback. Firmware BDP10X-80-1031.

The only issue I've noticed is that playback usually begins at 3 to 4 seconds into the MKV file. I suspect this is the same issue of playback beginning well before the HDMI handshake is complete that has occurred with Blu-ray playback in the past (so that video and/or audio are blanked for the first few seconds when playback begins), but some of the previous firmware updates improved this to the point where it is rarely an issue now. Unfortunately I think it has gone the other way with MKV playback. I recall these same MKV files beginning playback very close to or at the beginning of the file with some of the earlier firmware versions.
Can anyone else confirm this? Ive got 1000s of music videos in vob or MKV format where we use the oppo to shuffle playback with. 3-4 seconds truncated from the beginning of each would suck.
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Can anyone else confirm this? Ive got 1000s of music videos in vob or MKV format where we use the oppo to shuffle playback with. 3-4 seconds truncated from the beginning of each would suck.
This isn't a result of the latest update. The change occurred 2 or 3 updates ago. It is also dependent on the equipment connected on the HDMI chain, how fast they communicate the handshake and end any muting and video blanking. Apparently my 2008 television is not fast enough for the Oppo. In other words, your and everyone else's mileage will likely vary unless you have the exact same equipment connected to the Oppo via HDMI that I do.

I would prefer the start of play to be delayed long enough to allow the handshake to complete on most equipment, but there are others with equipment that complete the handshake faster and would be disappointed having to wait the few seconds longer for play to start.

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I would like to install the new firmware, but I want to know if it effects the playing of AVCHD folder? I hope it does not.
Now I can play AVCHD folders with the help of bdmv_modify_v1.4.exe.
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I was about to get the 103 but this latest part of the new firmware concerns me...I rip all of my MKVs by taking the True HD track only. ... In MakeMKV it shows a sub field where the Dolby Digital 5.1 track is and I always deselect that. Is this now NOT going to bitstream?


9. Resolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks. For proper bitstream output of a Dolby TrueHD sound track in MKV files, the sound track must contain the full Dolby TrueHD audio data, including both the MLP and AC3 parts. If the AC3 part has been stripped out, the MLP audio cannot be output as bitstream and will be decoded into LPCM. The resultant LPCM will retain the full quality of Dolby TrueHD.
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I was about to get the 103 but this latest part of the new firmware concerns me...I rip all of my MKVs by taking the True HD track only. ... In MakeMKV it shows a sub field where the Dolby Digital 5.1 track is and I always deselect that. Is this now NOT going to bitstream?


9. Resolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks. For proper bitstream output of a Dolby TrueHD sound track in MKV files, the sound track must contain the full Dolby TrueHD audio data, including both the MLP and AC3 parts. If the AC3 part has been stripped out, the MLP audio cannot be output as bitstream and will be decoded into LPCM. The resultant LPCM will retain the full quality of Dolby TrueHD.
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I was about to get the 103 but this latest part of the new firmware concerns me...I rip all of my MKVs by taking the True HD track only. ... In MakeMKV it shows a sub field where the Dolby Digital 5.1 track is and I always deselect that. Is this now NOT going to bitstream?


9. Resolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks. For proper bitstream output of a Dolby TrueHD sound track in MKV files, the sound track must contain the full Dolby TrueHD audio data, including both the MLP and AC3 parts. If the AC3 part has been stripped out, the MLP audio cannot be output as bitstream and will be decoded into LPCM. The resultant LPCM will retain the full quality of Dolby TrueHD.
It doesnt matter .... Even if youre MKV contains both the MLP and AC3 parts of the trueHD track, with the new firmware the Oppo will always decode internally and output multi channel pcm. The release notes are not accurate.
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This isn't a result of the latest update. The change occurred 2 or 3 updates ago. It is also dependent on the equipment connected on the HDMI chain, how fast they communicate the handshake and end any muting and video blanking. Apparently my 2008 television is not fast enough for the Oppo. In other words, your and everyone else's mileage will likely vary unless you have the exact same equipment connected to the Oppo via HDMI that I do.

I would prefer the start of play to be delayed long enough to allow the handshake to complete on most equipment, but there are others with equipment that complete the handshake faster and would be disappointed having to wait the few seconds longer for play to start.
Yes, with the new firmware i noticed no difference in behavior here.
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Anyone know if the 103's DAC's are better than the Wolfson's that are in the Pio BDP-51?


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I would like to continue this discussion, and I apologize in advance if I am being a typical noob :-). I own the Pioneer BDP-51, which has been fantastic as far as film audio is. I currently listen to CDs on a Yamaha CD-changer, which passes the audio to Yamaha RXV-1800 in "Pure Direct" mode for stereo listening. I just bought a pair of Focal Aria 926 speakers, which are absolutely brilliant.

I am considering replacing the BDP-51 and the Yamaha CD changer with OPPO BDP-103 (it would be nice to have one box instead of two, and the slow loading time on the Pioneer can be frustrating, though in no way they are a deal-breaker). I would like to know if the OPPO will deliver good CD listening experience. As good as BDP-51 DACs are, they are not good enough (to my ear, and given my set up) to play CDs (although this could be because all audio is now passed through HDMI and not RCA). Will the OPPO be better? I see that it's highly rated on Stereophile as a CD player, but I would like more opinions before I take the plunge. I will not be going for BDP-105, as for that money I would simply keep the Pioneer Blu-Ray and buy a dedicated high-end CD player or invest in a good amp.

Well, that was a mouthful, but I hope you can help me. Thank you!

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I would like to continue this discussion, and I apologize in advance if I am being a typical noob :-). I own the Pioneer BDP-51, which has been fantastic as far as film audio is. I currently listen to CDs on a Yamaha CD-changer, which passes the audio to Yamaha RXV-1800 in "Pure Direct" mode for stereo listening. I just bought a pair of Focal Aria 926 speakers, which are absolutely brilliant.

I am considering replacing the BDP-51 and the Yamaha CD changer with OPPO BDP-103 (it would be nice to have one box instead of two, and the slow loading time on the Pioneer can be frustrating, though in no way they are a deal-breaker). I would like to know if the OPPO will deliver good CD listening experience. As good as BDP-51 DACs are, they are not good enough (to my ear, and given my set up) to play CDs. Will the OPPO be better? I see that it's highly rated on Stereophile as a CD player, but I would like more opinions before I take the plunge. I will not be going for BDP-105, as for that money I would simply keep the Pioneer Blu-Ray and buy a dedicated high-end CD player or invest in a good amp.

Well, that was a mouthful, but I hope you can help me. Thank you!
Your Yamaha will digitize all stereo analog inputs, even in pure direct mode. Sorry to be the bearer of that news, but its true. The only way to avoid that is to use the multi-channel analog input. So the DAC in the player doesn't much matter, just use a digital input to the AVR, and whatever player suits your needs.

The newer AVRs have much improved DAC and analog boards, so if you're looking for a place to get max audio improvement per $, consider a new AVR.
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Your Yamaha will digitize all stereo analog inputs, even in pure direct mode. Sorry to be the bearer of that news, but its true. The only way to avoid that is to use the multi-channel analog input. So the DAC in the player doesn't much matter, just use a digital input to the AVR, and whatever player suits your needs.

The newer AVRs have much improved DAC and analog boards, so if you're looking for a place to get max audio improvement per $, consider a new AVR.
Even the stereo inputs from the CD player? If that's true, that's news to me, indeed. Another route I am considering is buying a good amp, wiring the CD player into the amp bypassing the AVR (CD > AMP > Front speakers), and wiring the AVR into the amp separately for the surround sound (BR > AVR > AMP > Front and AVR> Center +Surround Sound). Or maybe you are right and I should just get a new AVR. Seems like having a good stereo and home theater system in one is a bit of a balancing act.

Thank you for your help!
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Your Yamaha will digitize all stereo analog inputs, even in pure direct mode. Sorry to be the bearer of that news, but its true. The only way to avoid that is to use the multi-channel analog input. So the DAC in the player doesn't much matter, just use a digital input to the AVR, and whatever player suits your needs.

The newer AVRs have much improved DAC and analog boards, so if you're looking for a place to get max audio improvement per $, consider a new AVR.
Even the stereo inputs from the CD player? If that's true, that's news to me, indeed. Another route I am considering is buying a good amp, wiring the CD player into the amp bypassing the AVR (CD > AMP > Front speakers), and wiring the AVR into the amp separately for the surround sound (BR > AVR > AMP > Front and AVR> Center +Surround Sound). Or maybe you are right and I should just get a new AVR. Seems like having a good stereo and home theater system in one is a bit of a balancing act.

Thank you for your help!
Does your current CD player have digital outputs to go into your AVR? I have an excellent 2-channel and HT with no act. Just depends on how difficult you make it.
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I would like to continue this discussion, and I apologize in advance if I am being a typical noob :-). I own the Pioneer BDP-51, which has been fantastic as far as film audio is. I currently listen to CDs on a Yamaha CD-changer, which passes the audio to Yamaha RXV-1800 in "Pure Direct" mode for stereo listening. I just bought a pair of Focal Aria 926 speakers, which are absolutely brilliant.

I am considering replacing the BDP-51 and the Yamaha CD changer with OPPO BDP-103 (it would be nice to have one box instead of two, and the slow loading time on the Pioneer can be frustrating, though in no way they are a deal-breaker). I would like to know if the OPPO will deliver good CD listening experience. As good as BDP-51 DACs are, they are not good enough (to my ear, and given my set up) to play CDs (although this could be because all audio is now passed through HDMI and not RCA). Will the OPPO be better? I see that it's highly rated on Stereophile as a CD player, but I would like more opinions before I take the plunge. I will not be going for BDP-105, as for that money I would simply keep the Pioneer Blu-Ray and buy a dedicated high-end CD player or invest in a good amp.

Well, that was a mouthful, but I hope you can help me. Thank you!
Well, here's the story of my "pilgrim's progress." Before the HD-DVD /Blu-ray standards war was resolved, my theater had a Denon 2910 "universal" DVD player that passed CD, DVD, SACD, and DVD-A to my old pre-HDMI Yamaha RX-V456 5.1 AVR through a 6-RCA bundle into its multichannel analog input. When the dust settled, and I got a Panasonic BD-50 Blu-ray player and a 1080p projector, the two disk players shared that input through a passive switchbox.

I noticed that CDs played by the Panny didn't sound as rich as when played by the Oppo, so I figured that an Oppo BDP-93 player, which also played DVD-As and SACDs, would probably sound as good as the Denon for playing music. It certainly did.

I recently replaced the ancient AVR with a newer Yamaha RX-A1030, a two-models back box that is the least expensive of their models with a Sabre DAC for its audio. (Not the same DAC as in the upper-level 95/105 Oppos, but in the same family.)

So now I'm feeding HDMI from both Blu-ray players into the AVR and getting great sound from both (the Denon is now in my living room, feeding analog stereo and composite video into the old Yamaha, to a pair of 1970 Advent speakers and an old Sony Trinitron).

The analog audio from the 83/93/103 level Oppos is very, very good, but going into your older AVR it's likely to be digitized, removing that advantage.

I second rdgrimes' advice - get a newer AVR with a good DAC and connect to it via HDMI. I like mine, and its remaining stock is being sold off fairly inexpensively since it doesn't do Atmos and is a few years old.

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Even the stereo inputs from the CD player? If that's true, that's news to me, indeed. Another route I am considering is buying a good amp, wiring the CD player into the amp bypassing the AVR (CD > AMP > Front speakers), and wiring the AVR into the amp separately for the surround sound (BR > AVR > AMP > Front and AVR> Center +Surround Sound). Or maybe you are right and I should just get a new AVR. Seems like having a good stereo and home theater system in one is a bit of a balancing act.

Thank you for your help!
There are some AVRs that offer a true "Analog direct" pathway, but the Yamaha isn't one of them. Seriously, AVRs have made huge advancements since the 1800/3800 models, and there's really no object to looking for a pure analog pathway. A new AVR will give you what you want for sound quality. I'de suggest one of the Aventage models, A2050 or even a A2040 if you can find one new. They use the terrific EES 32 bit DAC.
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I was about to get the 103 but this latest part of the new firmware concerns me...I rip all of my MKVs by taking the True HD track only. ... In MakeMKV it shows a sub field where the Dolby Digital 5.1 track is and I always deselect that. Is this now NOT going to bitstream?


9. Resolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks. For proper bitstream output of a Dolby TrueHD sound track in MKV files, the sound track must contain the full Dolby TrueHD audio data, including both the MLP and AC3 parts. If the AC3 part has been stripped out, the MLP audio cannot be output as bitstream and will be decoded into LPCM. The resultant LPCM will retain the full quality of Dolby TrueHD.
It doesnt matter .... Even if youre MKV contains both the MLP and AC3 parts of the trueHD track, with the new firmware the Oppo will always decode internally and output multi channel pcm. The release notes are not accurate.
Wow...what's up with that? Was this already discussed somewhere? Seems like a pretty annoying downgrade. And this is just with TrueHD and Atmos? Not DTS MA?
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Wow...what's up with that? Was this already discussed somewhere? Seems like a pretty annoying downgrade. And this is just with TrueHD and Atmos? Not DTS MA?
Please let Oppo know your feelings on that.

MKV with THD will always be decoded, there is no bitstream output. This only effects THD. M2TS with THD will still bitstream. It has nothing to do with Atmos per se, but all THD. So if you must have bitstream output for DTHD, use M2TS instead.
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Why aren't I getting a FW update notification? It's set to "on".

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Why aren't I getting a FW update notification? It's set to "on".

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For starters, Make sure your Oppo input selection is set to Blu-Ray Player, and there is no disc loaded in your tray, and not currently playing any media, and you're in the home menu(not in a settings menu).

I got the following relevant info from Bob P if the above doesn't work for you:
Go to Home Menu, then into Setup, and set Energy Efficient in Setup > Device Setup. Then turn the player off and on. That will force it to do a complete reboot. Firmware Upgrade should now be accessible.

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