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^ I wouldn’t worry about it UNLESS you have a problem. Your Gigabit wired setup may already implement flow control by default.
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^ I wouldn’t worry about it UNLESS you have a problem. Your Gigabit wired setup may already implement flow control by default.
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Well, I do have a bit of a problem. My Oppo is freezing way too often when I'm using it as a UPnP/DLNA renderer.

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^ I wouldn’t worry about it UNLESS you have a problem. Your Gigabit wired setup may already implement flow control by default.
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My network switch (TP Link SG1016DE) lets me manage bandwidth on each of the ports. I currently have one ethernet cable running to the media closet, and an unmanaged switch distributing to the Oppo, Marantz, Roku and HTPC that live in the closet.

I have a second ethernet in the wall that isn't being used. Would you suggest slapping a keystone on the 2nd wire and feeding the Oppo its own connection back to the switch? I could then try limiting the bandwidth to that port.

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My network switch (TP Link SG1016DE) lets me manage bandwidth on each of the ports. I currently have one ethernet cable running to the media closet, and an unmanaged switch distributing to the Oppo, Marantz, Roku and HTPC that live in the closet.

I have a second ethernet in the wall that isn't being used. Would you suggest slapping a keystone on the 2nd wire and feeding the Oppo its own connection back to the switch? I could then try limiting the bandwidth to that port.
One thing you might want to try first is to set up a Wifi connection, temporarily, for testing. If that eliminates the problem, then odds are good the wired connection is suffering from the overrun issue. You could just continue to use the Wifi rig or experiment with variations on the wired rig such as the one you are asking about.

I'm hesitant to give advice on just how to tackle the wired rig, as I'm not really sure what parts of the rig have to cooperate to make flow control happen, but what you are suggesting seems a reasonable option to try.

Keep in mind the problem could be in the path from server to router, as opposed to from router to OPPO.
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I get occasional dropouts when playing hi-resolution (24/192) stereo files from a portable (USB 3.0) hard drive plugged into the front USB port on the 103. It's not the files, since the dropouts aren't evident when I restart the file. Any idea on what could be causing this?

The drive is a Western Digital My Passport 2 TB drive with a peak read speed of 117MB/second to a USB 3.0 port, which the Oppo doesn't have.

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I get occasional dropouts when playing hi-resolution (24/192) stereo files from a portable (USB 3.0) hard drive plugged into the front USB port on the 103. It's not the files, since the dropouts aren't evident when I restart the file. Any idea on what could be causing this?

The drive is a Western Digital My Passport 2 TB drive with a peak read speed of 117MB/second to a USB 3.0 port, which the Oppo doesn't have.
Three things to try:

1) If the drive is being powered from the OPPO's USB port, try connecting to external power instead. If the drive does not offer that, you can connect it through an externally powered USB hub.

2) Check to see if the drive offers a way to disable its "go to sleep" function.

3) Try turning off Networking to your 103: Disconnect the Ethernet cable and Wifi dongle. If this cures the problem then you may have some device on your house network which is sometimes flooding your network with queries to other devices. You would have to turn off devices in a logical order to find the culprit. Start with cable/satellite "TV Anywhere" hardware.

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Get a network app called Fing for your smartphone and use it to check the IP addresses of all of your networked devices. Your phone will need to be on your WiFi network to do this, and that WiFi network must be part of the wired network connecting your A/V components.

You would be looking for an IP conflict.

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Get a network app called Fing for your smartphone and use it to check the IP addresses of all of your networked devices. Your phone will need to be on your WiFi network to do this, and that WiFi network must be part of the wired network connecting your A/V components.

You would be looking for an IP conflict.

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Thanks Jeff, I have Fing on my iPhone; I'll check this out and get back to you. Happy New Year!

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I think my reply might have been more for ckronengold, but it can’t hurt for you to check either.

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I think my reply might have been more for ckronengold, but it can’t hurt for you to check either.

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I did check; no IP conflict. The problem is very intermittent--I listened to lots of hi-res files yesterday on my portable hard drive without any trouble.

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I did check; no IP conflict. The problem is very intermittent--I listened to lots of hi-res files yesterday on my portable hard drive without any trouble.
Try connecting the portable HD to one of the rear usb ports instead.
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Get a network app called Fing for your smartphone and use it to check the IP addresses of all of your networked devices. Your phone will need to be on your WiFi network to do this, and that WiFi network must be part of the wired network connecting your A/V components.

You would be looking for an IP conflict.

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Thanks for the suggestions. I do have Fing and am running all of my devices as static IPs to avoid any conflicts.

Per the previous suggestion, I gave the Oppo its own port on the switch and activated Flow Control.

I also prioritized the port in the QoS settings, so hopefully it will keep a nice, smooth, consistent connection and flow of data.

Doesn't seem to be any dropouts on the streams so far. But when I unplug the ethernet cable, the Oppo freezes and requires a hard reboot. So I guess its just finicky like that.

I could try to throttle the throughput to the port, but I'd imagine that would just be doing the same thing the flow control does. The switch sees the Oppo as a 100M device, so I'm thinking/hoping that its managing the throughput accordingly. If anyone reading this thought it would be a good idea to manually limit the throughput as well as the Flow Control and QoS changes, I'd be more than willing to do that as well.

Who knows. Its just experimenting at this point.

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Hi all back again

I'm playing back my digital music library external hard drive (.flac) via USB to OPPO then OPPO via HDMI to Marantz AV7701

I have options under the Oppo HDMI out

Option one LPCM
Option two Bitstream

I am trying to get the best audio possible but no matter what option I choose my Marantz Av7701 says that the source is PCM

The real question here is how do I know if I'm using the Oppo DAC or the Marantz DAC. I would like to go back and forth to determine which one is better.
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Hi all back again

I'm playing back my digital music library external hard drive (.flac) via USB to OPPO then OPPO via HDMI to Marantz AV7701

I have options under the Oppo HDMI out

Option one LPCM
Option two Bitstream

I am trying to get the best audio possible but no matter what option I choose my Marantz Av7701 says that the source is PCM

The real question here is how do I know if I'm using the Oppo DAC or the Marantz DAC. I would like to go back and forth to determine which one is better.
With HDMI you are always using the Marantz DAC. Player to Receiver is digital-to-digital, so there is no Digital to Analog.

Is FLAC a standard HDMI format? I hadn't thought so, meaning it can't be bitstreamed. It will always be LPCM regardless of the setting.

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I have a question for all the smart folks here on the 103 thread. I have a lot of digital music plugged into the 103 via usb, and then use hdmi to my processor so I can listen through my speakers, which works without issue.

My question is regarding the analog outs on the 103, I want to use the left/right channels from the 103 and plug them directly into a headphone amp. Will I be able to still listen to my music that's plugged in through usb from my headphones that I'm looking to set up? I don't know if I'm going to run into some kind of issue with the 103 using hdmi and the analog stereo outs at the same time? Thanks
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I have a question for all the smart folks here on the 103 thread. I have a lot of digital music plugged into the 103 via usb, and then use hdmi to my processor so I can listen through my speakers, which works without issue.

My question is regarding the analog outs on the 103, I want to use the left/right channels from the 103 and plug them directly into a headphone amp. Will I be able to still listen to my music that's plugged in through usb from my headphones that I'm looking to set up? I don't know if I'm going to run into some kind of issue with the 103 using hdmi and the analog stereo outs at the same time? Thanks
That will work. All outputs are live simultaneously.

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I get occasional dropouts when playing hi-resolution (24/192) stereo files from a portable (USB 3.0) hard drive plugged into the front USB port on the 103. It's not the files, since the dropouts aren't evident when I restart the file. Any idea on what could be causing this?
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Not sure if this applies, but I get occasional dropouts with video files playing from the front USB port (ie. thumb drive) unless the inactive drive plugged into the rear USB port is powered down.
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Not sure if this applies, but I get occasional dropouts with video files playing from the front USB port (ie. thumb drive) unless the inactive drive plugged into the rear USB port is powered down.
Sufficed to say, some 'thumb drives' are better than others at sending/receiving data

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Not sure if this applies, but I get occasional dropouts with video files playing from the front USB port (ie. thumb drive) unless the inactive drive plugged into the rear USB port is powered down.
The drive in the rear port may be drawing too much power from that port, thus affecting all the USB. Try external power for that drive. If it does not directly support external power you can connect it via an externally powered USB hub.
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The drive in the rear port may be drawing too much power from that port, thus affecting all the USB. Try external power for that drive. If it does not directly support external power you can connect it via an externally powered USB hub.
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The drive plugged into the rear is a desktop drive in a powered enclosure (Coolermaster Max 5G). Have tried two different drives in there...a Toshiba and a WD Caviar Black...no different. Tried many USB thumb drives in the front USB port too..no different. So I just de-power the one on the back when playing thumb drives on the front. If I leave the rear drive powered up while playing the thumb drive on the front, I will eventually get a dropout when playing the thumb drive and the HDD light on the rear powered enclosure drive will flicker even though it's not being used. However, I haven't tried a new enclosure yet for the rear drive.
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The drive plugged into the rear is a desktop drive in a powered enclosure (Coolermaster Max 5G). Have tried two different drives in there...a Toshiba and a WD Caviar Black...no different. Tried many USB thumb drives in the front USB port too..no different. So I just de-power the one on the back when playing thumb drives on the front. If I leave the rear drive powered up while playing the thumb drive on the front, I will eventually get a dropout when playing the thumb drive and the HDD light on the rear powered enclosure drive will flicker even though it's not being used. However, I haven't tried a new enclosure yet for the rear drive.
Get in touch with OPPO Tech Support. They can help you sort this out. On the face of it, the problem would seem to be the enclosure you are using in the rear, but it is possible you player may need Warranty service.
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Get in touch with OPPO Tech Support. They can help you sort this out. On the face of it, the problem would seem to be the enclosure you are using in the rear, but it is possible you player may need Warranty service.
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As previously answered... Yes it is indeed possible.

That being said... Some people have reported issues playing media files that contain Dolby TrueHD audio (with or without Atmos) when placed within the .mkv (Matroska) container. By contrast, there are no such issues when the same Dolby TrueHD audio (with or without Atmos) streams are placed within the .m2ts (transport) container.


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Is this something that has been raised with Oppo tech support?

Nothing has changed on my end regarding backing up my movies to my network. I used to get the Atmos stream in MKV container without issue. I haven't watched that many Atmos titles recently, so I couldn't say when it stopped working. But I tried tonight and it wouldn't.

Using MediaInfo to look at the file, everything seems fine. I thought I'd remux the file into an m2ts container, but TSMuxer wasn't liking the Atmos audio track and refused to do anything with it. Odd.

Anyhoo - hope this is something we'll see addressed / fixed.

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Is this something that has been raised with Oppo tech support?
Yes... It's an ongoing issue that MediaTek (the A/V chip-set manufacturer) has been trying to resolve for a very long time.

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Actually it's not odd... It's by design!

This is because when the original Dolby TrueHD audio stream (with or without Atmos) was muxed into the .mkv container its Dolby Digital core was removed during the muxing process - which is due to a Matroska (mkv) limitation.

By contrast, the .m2ts container requires the entire Dolby TrueHD audio stream complete with a Dolby Digital core - as it's a mandatory requirement.


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Yes... It's an ongoing issue that MediaTek (the A/V chip-set manufacturer) has been trying to resolve for a very long time.

Actually it's not odd... It's by design!

This is because when the original Dolby TrueHD audio stream (with or without Atmos) was muxed into the .mkv container its Dolby Digital core was removed during the muxing process - which is due to a Matroska (mkv) limitation.

By contrast, the .m2ts container requires the entire Dolby TrueHD audio stream complete with a Dolby Digital core - as it's a mandatory requirement.


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Super informative, thank you.

In scanning the Oppo 203 forums, it looks like it uses the same chip and has the same bug. But one post has a solution/workaround that seems to work.

"Due to the decoder bug, you have to play Dolby THD tracks in MKV 1st thing after turning the player on."

Seems to work for me. At least in the very limited testing I did.

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I have a file on my computer that I'd like to transfer to a USB flash drive and play back off the Oppo. The flash drive is formatted FAT32. The problem is that the file is too large to copy onto a FAT32 drive. (The file is 3.41GB; I thought the FAT32 file size limit was 4.0GB, but I get error message saying it can't be copied).

Can I reformat the flash drive to some other format that can accommodate the large file size and still be readable by the Oppo?
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I have a file on my computer that I'd like to transfer to a USB flash drive and play back off the Oppo. The flash drive is formatted FAT32. The problem is that the file is too large to copy onto a FAT32 drive. (The file is 3.41GB; I thought the FAT32 file size limit was 4.0GB, but I get error message saying it can't be copied).

Can I reformat the flash drive to some other format that can accommodate the large file size and still be readable by the Oppo?
exFAT and NTFS support larger files and the player supports them.

NTFS seems rarely used on thumb drives but I've done it.

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Hello all. I am currently beginning the process of re-vamping my HT system and room. My current AVR is an Onkyo NR-TV5007, which was a great receiver for its time. To be honest it is still pretty good. But I have moved since purchasing it and my theater room a much smaller now. I just don't have the space for a 9 speaker set-up. So I am thinking of selling the Onkyo and using the Oppo and a dedicated pre-amp. I am looking for a recommended amp to power it. I am working on more of a budget now so I need to keep the costs down to no more than $1k and I hope to be close to about $500. Are there any good recommendation for a 5 channel amp in that price range? I did a little searching around but everything that is coming up are receivers not amps. This defeats the purpose of signal processing of the Oppo. Which in the end would be fine, I just ant to check to be sure that is the direction I will have to go in.

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Internet Problem

Guys

All of a sudden, my Ethernet connection to my 250mb internet is intermittent at best. Can't connect properly to netflix, youtube etc. Changed cables and router port, no go. Connection test in the Oppo settings is of and on. Did not do a reset yet.

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Guys

All of a sudden, my Ethernet connection to my 250mb internet is intermittent at best. Can't connect properly to netflix, youtube etc. Changed cables and router port, no go. Connection test in the Oppo settings is of and on. Did not do a reset yet.

thx

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Check that the Ethernet plug is fully inserted — both ends. You should feel and hear the click.

Temporarily hook up via WiFi. If WiFi works better then you may have flow overruns in your wired setup due to a mix of Gigabit and 100 Megabit hardware without flow control enabled. (WiFi imposes flow control.)
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