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Is there a way to see the audio bit depth on a DVD that is playing?
If the audio format on the DVD is Dolby Digital then due to its 'lossy' nature it does not technically have a 'bit depth'. But most tools would identify it as being 16-bits
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If the audio format on the DVD is Dolby Digital then due to its 'lossy' nature it does not technically have a 'bit depth'. But most tools would identify it as being 16-bits
That's interesting; I didn't know that. I threw in a movie with PCM audio and the bit depth does show up. Thanks.
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That's interesting; I didn't know that. I threw in a movie with PCM audio and the bit depth does show up. Thanks.
This is how it should be, as PCM audio is "lossless". As is Flac, Ape and a few other popular lossless audio formats...
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I own a couple of Atmos music discs (REM and Booka Shade) that I ripped to a USB drive using MakeMKV and DVD Audio Extractor. The FLAC files will not play on my Oppo-103, no audio at all is produced and the "timer" doesn't move, it stays at 0:00.

Any ideas? The FLAC files play fine on my computer with VLC and VOX. And I've played the Atmos demo disc files via USB on my Oppo with no problems.

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I own a couple of Atmos music discs (REM and Booka Shade) that I ripped to a USB drive using MakeMKV and DVD Audio Extractor. The FLAC files will not play on my Oppo-103, no audio at all is produced and the "timer" doesn't move, it stays at 0:00.

Any ideas? The FLAC files play fine on my computer with VLC and VOX. And I've played the Atmos demo disc files via USB on my Oppo with no problems.

Thanks.
The only way to get Atmos audio off a BD disc is a full disc rip to ISO or BDMV. The Oppo will only play the BDMV.

Its not really clear what you have "ripped" from that disc, but FLAC and Atmos don't go together.
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The only way to get Atmos audio off a BD disc is a full disc rip to ISO or BDMV. The Oppo will only play the BDMV.

Its not really clear what you have "ripped" from that disc, but FLAC and Atmos don't go together.
Great. I got it working thanks. I opened the BDMV file, then the STREAM folder, and copied the M2TS files to my USB drive. Renamed the files as the track names. And the OPPO is able to play the M2TS files as ATMOS. Thank you for the help.

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Great. I got it working thanks. I opened the BDMV file, then the STREAM folder, and copied the M2TS files to my USB drive. Renamed the files as the track names. And the OPPO is able to play the M2TS files as ATMOS. Thank you for the help.
^^^ Thanks for the tip, I've been looking for a way to play individual tracks from the Booka Shade Atmos album as part of a demo playlist in JRiver MC, this should do it.
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I have a 103 which has a minor problem. Occasionally the drawer on the player will get stuck when I eject the disc. It does not happen al th time. Most of the time this has been with CD's. I usually have to hit the eject button again and then it will eject properly. Would Oppo be able to fix this for me? Any chance they might do this for free? It has done this since original purchase but I never bothered to do anything about it since this player was not used very much. The warranty is up on it.



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I have a 103 which has a minor problem. Occasionally the drawer on the player will get stuck when I eject the disc. It does not happen al th time. Most of the time this has been with CD's. I usually have to hit the eject button again and then it will eject properly. Would Oppo be able to fix this for me? Any chance they might do this for free? It has done this since original purchase but I never bothered to do anything about it since this player was not used very much. The warranty is up on it.



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I'm assuming by email, or is there still a phone number that I can reach them by?
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I'm assuming by email, or is there still a phone number that I can reach them by?
No more phone support. Try: https://www.oppodigital.com/ContactUs.aspx

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They responded in one business day when I used that a couple of weeks ago, so definitely go that route.

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For future generations:
I learned, after futzing around for a couple days, that the Oppo will not output Atmos from an MKV file via USB when the HDMI Audio Output is set to "Auto". It needs to be set to "Bitstream".

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My apologies if this has been addressed but I cannot find an answer.


How does the BDP-103 handle upscaling of 1080p:24 Hz Blu-rays to 4K if the 4K output is (to my knowledge) at 60 Hz? Are you back to utilizing some sort of 3:2 pull down that defeats the benefits of 24 Hz output?


My current plasma set handles 96 Hz and I'd like to continue watching films like that but I might be upgrading to a 4k set and am wondering how standard blu-rays played through the BD-103 will look if it's at 60 Hz, which is not a multiple of 24.


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My apologies if this has been addressed but I cannot find an answer.


How does the BDP-103 handle upscaling of 1080p:24 Hz Blu-rays to 4K if the 4K output is (to my knowledge) at 60 Hz? Are you back to utilizing some sort of 3:2 pull down that defeats the benefits of 24 Hz output?


My current plasma set handles 96 Hz and I'd like to continue watching films like that but I might be upgrading to a 4k set and am wondering how standard blu-rays played through the BD-103 will look if it's at 60 Hz, which is not a multiple of 24.


Any help would be appreciated.
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My apologies if this has been addressed but I cannot find an answer.


How does the BDP-103 handle upscaling of 1080p:24 Hz Blu-rays to 4K if the 4K output is (to my knowledge) at 60 Hz? Are you back to utilizing some sort of 3:2 pull down that defeats the benefits of 24 Hz output?


My current plasma set handles 96 Hz and I'd like to continue watching films like that but I might be upgrading to a 4k set and am wondering how standard blu-rays played through the BD-103 will look if it's at 60 Hz, which is not a multiple of 24.


Any help would be appreciated.
It may be best to just output 1080p/24 and have the new TV upscale and convert 4K/72. Some devices may not have all features/adjustments available when processing UHD source.
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My apologies if this has been addressed but I cannot find an answer.


How does the BDP-103 handle upscaling of 1080p:24 Hz Blu-rays to 4K if the 4K output is (to my knowledge) at 60 Hz? Are you back to utilizing some sort of 3:2 pull down that defeats the benefits of 24 Hz output?


My current plasma set handles 96 Hz and I'd like to continue watching films like that but I might be upgrading to a 4k set and am wondering how standard blu-rays played through the BD-103 will look if it's at 60 Hz, which is not a multiple of 24.


Any help would be appreciated.
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It may be best to just output 1080p/24 and have the new TV upscale and convert 4K/72. Some devices may not have all features/adjustments available when processing UHD source.
I just tested both approaches on my spankin' brand new Vizio PQ65. I fed it both bluray and HDMI-IN signals (Roku Ultra playing DirectV Now) at 1080p, then switched the 103D to 4K. The 4K to my eyes looked a little better coming from the OPPO as opposed to being upscaled by the Vizio.

Just one datum in a sea of data, but the 103D is a fine upscaler as far as I can see. I also have a 203 connected, so will probably switch the Roku to the 203 and do some invalid comparisons (since it's not blind tests and probably a month or so down the road).
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I just tested both approaches on my spankin' brand new Vizio PQ65. I fed it both bluray and HDMI-IN signals (Roku Ultra playing DirectV Now) at 1080p, then switched the 103D to 4K. The 4K to my eyes looked a little better coming from the OPPO as opposed to being upscaled by the Vizio.

Just one datum in a sea of data, but the 103D is a fine upscaler as far as I can see. I also have a 203 connected, so will probably switch the Roku to the 203 and do some invalid comparisons (since it's not blind tests and probably a month or so down the road).



Can I assume by all of this that most new 4K TVs (and the BD-103) handle the 24fps cadence properly (without some sort of 3:2 conversion)?

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Can I assume by all of this that most new 4K TVs (and the BD-103) handle the 24fps cadence properly (without some sort of 3:2 conversion)?
It would be pretty shocking to find a recent, 4K TV which doesn't handle 4K/24 input properly by default, but that assumes you haven't fallen into the trap of selecting settings in the TV which break that. Most competent Reviews of TVs will check /24 input, but you'll need to bone up on owner comments in the thread for the TV model to learn about settings which should be avoided.

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It would be pretty shocking to find a recent, 4K TV which doesn't handle 4K/24 input properly by default, but that assumes you haven't fallen into the trap of selecting settings in the TV which break that. Most competent Reviews of TVs will check /24 input, but you'll need to bone up on owner comments in the thread for the TV model to learn about settings which should be avoided.

The OPPO handles /24 output properly.
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Got it. I did do some research since I posted and this seems to be the case. I was used to reading about how plasmas and LCD handled it (my plasma has a 96 Hz mode) but didn't see how OLEDs did. I guess it doesn't matter how it's handled as long as it is properly handled.


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When playing back via USB, does anyone else find it inconvenient to have to first select if you're playing back Movie or Audio Files? Wouldn't it be easier to show everything playable on the drive under one setting?

Most of my music is ripped as FLAC, but much is ripped as MKV. I'm constantly having to go back to the top menu and switch settings when playing music using the different codecs. Is there a workaround?

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Audio-only mkv can have the .mka extension, which will class them with the audio files.

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That's great, thanks Bill. Do you know if I can just manually change the extension after it's been ripped? Or does it have to initially be ripped as mka? I guess I can try it and find out.
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That's great, thanks Bill. Do you know if I can just manually change the extension after it's been ripped? Or does it have to initially be ripped as mka? I guess I can try it and find out.
Yes you can, if the Matroska muxing software you're using does not assign the correct extension automatically.

Personally speaking... I see no benefit muxing any audio stream format into the Matroska container for playback with the OPPO.
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Yes you can, if the Matroska muxing software you're using does not assign the correct extension automatically.

Personally speaking... I see no benefit muxing any audio stream format into the Matroska container for playback with the OPPO.
I use MKV when ripping audio from music Blu-Ray discs mixed in Atmos. Otherwise I use FLAC.

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I see, Dolby TrueHD with Atmos. Saving such 'audio only' streams within the .mka (Matroska) container would make sense

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Is there a way to play ripped SACD files on an Oppo 103?

I have been ripping my SACDs via my Oppo 103 player and some software: the player won't last forever, but the music should. The software outputs Sony DSF-format files: 5644 kbps for two-channel, and 16934 kbps for multi-channel. The files play via JRiver Media Center v24.0.53 directly on my mac, and they sound terrific.

I'm running into a problem when I try to play the files on my music system. For normal, non-DSD files, I can play them from my computer, wireless, to my Oppo via DLNA. The Oppo converts the files to analog and sends it to my preamp. When I attempt the same flow with the DSD files, the DLNA connection gets made (because I can see that in the MC panel), but all I get is static. Is there a bandwidth limit that I am exceeding?

Does anyone have any experience in bitstreaming DSD files to their Oppo, and if so, what would you recommend I try?

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The OPPO BDP-10x players are able to play 'single rate' (2.8224MHz) DSD streams (which is what the SACD format uses) as either .dsf or .dff streams.

The OPPO can be configured to send a native (stereo or multi-channel) DSD stream via HDMI to an amplifier/receiver capable of decoding such streams. Or it can be configured to transcode a native (stereo or multi-channel) DSD stream 'internally' to a (stereo or multi-channel) PCM stream and send it via HDMI or via the analogue outputs.

Edit: If you have DSD streams at 5.6448MHz (ie: double-rate DSD), they have not originated from an SACD.
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I have been ripping my SACDs via my Oppo 103 player and some software: the player won't last forever, but the music should. The software outputs Sony DSF-format files: 5644 kbps for two-channel, and 16934 kbps for multi-channel. The files play via JRiver Media Center v24.0.53 directly on my mac, and they sound terrific.

I'm running into a problem when I try to play the files on my music system. For normal, non-DSD files, I can play them from my computer, wireless, to my Oppo via DLNA. The Oppo converts the files to analog and sends it to my preamp. When I attempt the same flow with the DSD files, the DLNA connection gets made (because I can see that in the MC panel), but all I get is static. Is there a bandwidth limit that I am exceeding?

Does anyone have any experience in bitstreaming DSD files to their Oppo, and if so, what would you recommend I try?

Thank you in advance...
Ron

2 things. As mentioned the 103 does not support DSD128 and higher. (Nor would I expect any DNLA software to do so.)

Second, the 103's wifi dongle is struggling at 5000kbps, probably failing, which also results in crackling or static. My experience with the wifi in the 103/105 suggest a 54Mbps speed limit. I just recently dealt with this by using a wifi client-configured extender and an Ethernet connection to the Oppo. That has a capability of 400+ Mbps.
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The OPPO BDP-10x players are able to play 'single rate' (2.8224MHz) DSD streams (which is what the SACD format uses) as either .dsf or .dff streams.

The OPPO can be configured to send a native (stereo or multi-channel) DSD stream via HDMI to an amplifier/receiver capable of decoding such streams. Or it can be configured to transcode a native (stereo or multi-channel) DSD stream 'internally' to a (stereo or multi-channel) PCM stream and send it via HDMI or via the analogue outputs.

Edit: If you have DSD streams at 5.6448MHz (ie: double-rate DSD), they have not originated from an SACD.
I know that these SACDs play in the Oppo: I listen to them often.

I got these DSD data streams by ripping SACDs in the same Oppo. To get the DSD data, you load some sw on a USB stick, insert it into a USB input on the Oppo, then download commands across your network from your pc or mac. After the process is done, the .dsf file is on the pc or mac. It works for dual or multi-channel SACDs.

I assume 5644 kbps means 2.822 MHz per channel, which would be a total of 5.644 MHz in the stream.

Does that make sense?
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