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I love the 103. Mine has been rock solid. Other than the useless apps on it that you have to log in every time. I just use my PS4 or Xbox to for streaming. I pretty much only do Netflix & Amazon so it's never been an issue. My 103 is simply for Bluray videos, SACD high res music, & DVD Audio high res music. For standard CDs, I use the 103 as a transport and pair it with a Musical Fidelity TriVista 21 tube dac. I had been enjoying those above formats for years before buying my Oppo. I had a nice player before the Oppo, but the video quality was slightly improved. It was the audio I feel was greatly improved. I didn't think it would make a difference as a transport to an outboard dac, but it certainly did. Hopefully it lasts me until I die.


Couple questions. I know they got out of the game, but do they still support these players? I bought mine maybe 5-6 years ago. Have never, other then when I 1st bought it, checked for a firmware update. Anything I should look for? And I have the manual stored away at the moment, but can someone tell me which of the two hdmi outputs is the better one to use? Can't remember which one has the processing. I run a plasma and a projector. I want the projector on the good output. Then use my Darby on the tv.
The main HDMI (HDMI 1 output) is the output with the additional processing.

OPPO still offers repair service on their players. Additional firmware updates for the 10x players are unlikely. See the Support page for the 103 here:

https://www.oppodigital.com/support/...3-Support.aspx

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The main HDMI (HDMI 1 output) is the output with the additional processing.
Can anyone clarify what that additional processing is (or suggest a useful keyword for googling for the info)?
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Can anyone clarify what that additional processing is (or suggest a useful keyword for googling for the info)?
Here's where you can download the 103 manual:
http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP1...ish_v1.8.2.pdf

The manual says nothing about exactly what the additional processing does on HDMI-1, which uses the Marvell QDEO chip.

Here's a video from Marvell:

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Here's where you can download the 103 manual:
http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP1...ish_v1.8.2.pdf

The manual says nothing about exactly what the additional processing does on HDMI-1, which uses the Marvell QDEO chip.

Here's a video from Marvell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqj34dQ9Mwk
Yes, I checked the manual before posting that, and saw no relevant info, which was why I inquired.

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Can anyone clarify what that additional processing is (or suggest a useful keyword for googling for the info)?
The Qdeo VP chip applies "source adaptive" noise reduction that some people find objectionable. Most people don't notice it at all, its pretty subtle. But when scaling DVDs its the most apparent. If memory serves me right, the Qdeo also does not allow DSD output. Anyway, I always used HDMI-2 output from the 103 for those 2 reasons.
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Post #25277 and #25280 have pretty much all your answers on this. Very knowledgeable poster KC-Technerd.
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My Pioneer AVR went dead last week and I won´t be replacing it yet. However, I can use my Oppo 103 as a pre amp with a spare Emotiva 5 channel amp. Anyone uses the 103 as a pre amp? How good is it??


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...Anyone uses the 103 as a pre amp? How good is it??
I did for around a year before I swapped it over with a UDP-203.

The BDP-103 worked well with my old Audiolab 8000A, however different amps have different sensitivities

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My Pioneer AVR went dead last week and I won´t be replacing it yet. However, I can use my Oppo 103 as a pre amp with a spare Emotiva 5 channel amp. Anyone uses the 103 as a pre amp? How good is it??


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Its got a very high quality sound. Compatibility with any specific amp is not assured, but it woks well for most. Just be sure to set the player for "variable" output before hooking it up, and put the player's volume control near 30-40%.
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Thanks for the help. I had actually forgot that the HDMI 1 with the Qdeo processing does not pass DSD. Explains why I don't get dsd with my SACDs! Although to be honest, I've tried it both ways and was happy either way.

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Thanks for the help. I had actually forgot that the HDMI 1 with the Qdeo processing does not pass DSD. Explains why I don't get dsd with my SACDs! Although to be honest, I've tried it both ways and was happy either way.
For anyone reading this who happens to actually own a 103D (with Darbee) instead of the original 103, this restriction on DSD output is removed in the 103D and 105D.
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Can anyone clarify what that additional processing is (or suggest a useful keyword for googling for the info)?
HDMI 1 on the BDP-103 (not the BDP-103D) incorporates the following QDEO Marvell processing which is described in the technology brief linked below: QDEO Noise Reduction, and at least some of the QDEO Enhancement features (I have verified Bit Resolution Expansion/QDEO True Color Processing). QDEO Format Conversion is not used in the BDP-103 as Oppo's Mediatek solution provides superior scaling to that offered by QDEO. Some of the resulting differences between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are evident in the Picture Adjustment Menus for each (page 56 of the manual). Note that HDMI 1 adds Color Enhancement and Contrast Enhancement settings. These control the Adaptive Contrast Enhancement and Intelligent Color Remapping described in the technology brief. Also note that the ranges for Sharpness and Noise Reduction are greater for HDMI 1 than HDMI 2. I believe these equate to controlling Natural Depth Expansion and QDEO Noise Reduction as described in the brief.

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As noted by others, on HDMI 1 a small amount of QDEO noise reduction is applied even if the Noise Reduction control is set at zero. The only effect of this I've noticed is that it seems to have a very slight smearing effect on excessively grainy or otherwise noisy video while in motion.

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Due to the hardware limitation, DSD output is only available from the HDMI 2 OUT port. To listen to SACD using the HDMI 1 OUT port, please set SACD Output to PCM.
This is due to a Marvell QDEO limitation.
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When my Denon AVR was out for service, I used the 103 as a preamp with the Carver amp that powers my front L&R speakers when my AVR is the preamp. The sound was coarser--I don't know how to describe it otherwise--compared with the AVR. Basically, it worked, but I was happier when the AVR came back.

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When my Denon AVR was out for service, I used the 103 as a preamp with the Carver amp that powers my front L&R speakers when my AVR is the preamp. The sound was coarser--I don't know how to describe it otherwise--compared with the AVR. Basically, it worked, but I was happier when the AVR came back.


Well, it’s probably due to the room calibration, level and distance settings. Thanks for the input.


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Well, it’s probably due to the room calibration, level and distance settings. Thanks for the input.
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I ran a comparison before I removed the AVR from my system for headphone (headphone jack wasn't working). No, those factors would not explain the coarser sound quality when the 103 was used as a preamp in my system. Here's why not:

1. First, I was using the Oppo as a 2.0 preamp with a 2-channel amp compared to my AVR playing only 2 channels full-range and no sub in use.

2. Second, my Front L&R are equidistant from my listening position and are set to the same dB level, which is what Audyssey finds during calibration.

3. Third, before removing the AVR from my system, I played some familiar tracks with Audyssey OFF; thus, room calibration did not play a role in the reduced sound quality I heard when the 103 replaced my AVR as the preamp.

Other pairs of ears and different amps might lead to different opinions, but I'm confident about what I heard. After a couple of days, I used the 103 as a source for 2-channel music to a Carver C1 preamp (connected to that Carver amp), and I got better sound quality than I get through my AVR. Bear in mind, these Carver components are decades old (the amp was repaired and brought to factory spec some time ago), and they still sounded better than the Denon x4000 I had at the time.

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I ran a comparison before I removed the AVR from my system for headphone (headphone jack wasn't working). No, those factors would not explain the coarser sound quality when the 103 was used as a preamp in my system. Here's why not:

1. First, I was using the Oppo as a 2.0 preamp with a 2-channel amp compared to my AVR playing only 2 channels full-range and no sub in use.

2. Second, my Front L&R are equidistant from my listening position and are set to the same dB level, which is what Audyssey finds during calibration.

3. Third, before removing the AVR from my system, I played some familiar tracks with Audyssey OFF; thus, room calibration did not play a role in the reduced sound quality I heard when the 103 replaced my AVR as the preamp.

Other pairs of ears and different amps might lead to different opinions, but I'm confident about what I heard. After a couple of days, I used the 103 as a source for 2-channel music to a Carver C1 preamp (connected to that Carver amp), and I got better sound quality than I get through my AVR. Bear in mind, these Carver components are decades old (the amp was repaired and brought to factory spec some time ago), and they still sounded better than the Denon x4000 I had at the time.
Not sure what you mean by "coarser" of course, but my first thought would be that you were Clipping the inputs to your amps. I.e., you'd need to attenuate the max voltage the OPPO could send into the amp. This would be important if the Amp's input did not have sufficient headroom to accommodate the max voltage the OPPO Analog outs could produce.

The 2nd thought would be the there was an insufficient multiple of the impedance of the Amp's input compare to the impedance of the 103's output. I.e., your particular Amps would benefit from the "buffering" provided by an intervening pre-amp.

Generally speaking. OPPO did not recommend connecting either the 103 or 203 directly to power amps (no pre-amp in between). The 105 and 205 were better suited to that sort of configuration.
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^^ "Clipping" does make sense as a possible explanation for what I heard. The explanation from another person that the diufference in sound was attributable to the absence of Audyssey was not likely, as I explained.

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I also had the chance to use mine as a pre when my AVR took a nap and had to go in for a warranty fix. I had forgotten this feature then remembered a review of the 103 in, I think the mag was Home Theater magazine.

Any way, had two Emotiva amps in tow and when there was no sound from a movie, there was a hissing from the speakers. Once dialogue or action took place, the hissing wasn't noticeable.

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Hi: Just joined the forum. I'm using my 103 connected to a Yamaha dts 3068. I have a 250 gb thumb drive loaded with FLAC files and I use the OPPO management app controller. I've tried loading the usb drive on the 103 and after a couple of minutes, get an error message "fail to load." According to the spec I've read on this board, there shoudn't be a problem loading a 250 gb drive. Your suggestions are welcomed.
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Hi: Just joined the forum. I'm using my 103 connected to a Yamaha dts 3068. I have a 250 gb thumb drive loaded with FLAC files and I use the OPPO management app controller. I've tried loading the usb drive on the 103 and after a couple of minutes, get an error message "fail to load." According to the spec I've read on this board, there shoudn't be a problem loading a 250 gb drive. Your suggestions are welcomed.
If you believe the drive is Partitioned correctly and the Partition is Formatted correctly (i.e., in a combo the OPPO 103 understands), then the most likely reason is the drive is trying to draw too much power from the USB socket. This is unusual for a thumb drive, but pretty common for real hard drives. If the drive itself does not offer an external power connection, the fix is to use a wall-powered USB hub between the drive and the OPPO.

For Partition and Format advice, see Bill's FAQ for the 103:

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In particular, the standard formatting for use of the drive with an Apple Mac will not work.

Also make sure you complete an Eject of the drive from your computer after writing files to it and before unplugging it from the computer, as the Eject finishes writing critical file system data to the drive.
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In particular, the standard formatting for use of the drive with an Apple Mac will not work.
Just-so-you-know @map1947 ... If you format your USB drive to the exFAT file system it can be read on newer Mac and PC operating systems as well as the OPPO


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Does anyone know, well the Oppo 103 Play back UHD 4K MKV files in4K, since it does have 4K upscaling?
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Does anyone know, well the Oppo 103 Play back UHD 4K MKV files in4K, since it does have 4K upscaling?
It does not. You get an error message that the video format is not supported.
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It does not. You get an error message that the video format is not supported.
Thank you! That’s pretty much what I expected! I am brand new to the world of ripping Blu-ray‘s and MKV, and I’m really excited about the possibilities. At least for 1080 P, MKVs the 103 is still a great unit
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It can be used to rip SACDs to digital files with a simple USB thumb drive with the right files on it.
Sorry if I’m responding to a post that’s a month old: how can the player be used to rip SACDs or anything else? Do you mean to play ripped SACD dies? How does one rip SADS? Thank you anyone for response
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Sorry if I’m responding to a post that’s a month old: how can the player be used to rip SACDs or anything else? Do you mean to play ripped SACD dies? How does one rip SADS? Thank you anyone for response
Widely discussed in other places. Consider a internet search.
Bottom line, you need a PC running on the same network and an IP address for the Oppo. On the Oppo you load a thumb drive with a script on it, this sets the Oppo in "rip mode". Then on the PC you run command line script using the Oppo's IP address and it uploads an ISO file of the SACD to the PC. From there you open the ISO in Foobar and save the files as DSF or convert to FLAC.

EDIT: living dangerously, here are the files needed. Read the txt file for directions, and follow them exactly.
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Tons of discussion on ripping SACD's, including assistance if you run into problems, can be found here. Foobar is one option for extracting individual tracks from the ISO files, there are other options, some of which can be integrated into the ripping process, if desired.
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Widely discussed in other places. Consider a internet search.
Bottom line, you need a PC running on the same network and an IP address for the Oppo. On the Oppo you load a thumb drive with a script on it, this sets the Oppo in "rip mode". Then on the PC you run command line script using the Oppo's IP address and it uploads an ISO file of the SACD to the PC. From there you open the ISO in Foobar and save the files as DSF or convert to FLAC.

EDIT: living dangerously, here are the files needed. Read the txt file for directions, and follow them exactly.
I found (on the internet) a slightly easier method that rips the files from the SACD, but you end up with a folder-full of DSF files instead of an ISO that needs to be split up. The downside is that you have to run the procedure twice if you want both the stereo hi-res tracks and the surround tracks.

If I have a chance, I will repost the information. The whole process is as simple as can be.

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