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Neuromancer 11-16-2012 09:20 AM

Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread
 
Official BDP-105 Website
OPPO BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview
Asynchronous USB Drivers (Windows XP/Vista/7/8)
OPPO Wiki FAQ
Unofficial BDP-103 FAQ

UPDATED 07/18/2016 - Beta 83-0715B Firmware Released
UPDATED 11/06/2015 - Official 80-1031 Firmware Released
UPDATED 10/24/2014 - Official 77-0827 Firmware Released
UPDATED 09/12/2014 - Beta 77-0827B Firmware Released
UPDATED 05/19/2014 - Official 75-0515 Firmware Released
UPDATED 04/30/2014 - Beta 75-0430B Firmware Released
UPDATED 02/20/2014 - Official 70-0218 Firmware Released
UPDATED 02/12/2014 - Beta 69-0124B Firmware Released
UPDATED 01/13/2014 - BDP-105D (Darbee) Released
UPDATED 04/05/2013 - The Absolute Sound (Chris Martins) Review Posted
UPDATED 03/25/2013 - Sound+Vision (Al Griffin) Review Posted
UPDATED 02/19/2013 - Audiophile Audion (Brian Bloom) Review Posted
UPDATED 02/18/2013 - Jim Prillaman Review Posted
UPDATED 02/04/2013 - Audioholics (Gene DellaSala) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/28/2013 - From Script to DVD (William Kallay) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/25/2013 - Everything Audio Network (John Gatski) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/24/2013 - Home Theater (Kris Deering) Review Posted
UPDATED 01/10/2013 - DEG Emiel N. Petrone Innovation Best Physical Media Product awarded to BDP-105
UPDATED 12/20/2012 - LAAudiofile (Kevin Nakano) Review Posted
UPDATED 12/19/2012 - BDP-105 receives Product of the Year from Secrets of Home Theater and HiFi
UPDATED 12/05/2012 - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity (John E. Johnson) Writeup
UPDATED 11/20/2012 - Buy Now: Ships November 26th
UPDATED 11/13/2012 - Special Order Invitations sent

Uniquely Better:
  • 4K Up-scaling - Enhance the home theater experience with four times the resolution of Full HD 1080p by up-scaling all video sources to 4K (3840 x 2160) output resolution.
  • 2D to 3D Conversion – Take your standard DVD, Blu-ray, and other video content to the next dimension by converting them into 3D with the simple press of a button. The BDP-105 can also adjust the depth and eye convergence levels to suit your personal preference.
  • Dual HDMI Inputs – Connect external devices such as set-top boxes and network streaming devices to take further advantage of the excellent audio and video processing functions by the BDP-105. The BDP-105 offers two HDMI inputs, one on the front and one on the back, and the front HDMI input doubles as an MHL input.
  • USB Asynchronous DAC – By bypassing the low fidelity, poor quality DAC of traditional computer soundcards, the BDP-105 turn any computer into a high performing multi-media source by converting digital audio to analog through the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC. If your computer can play it, the BDP-105 can convert it to analog.
  • Coaxial/Optic Inputs – For additional convenience and flexibility, the BDP-105 can convert digital signals from cable and satellite boxes, televisions, video-game consoles and other digital transports with coaxial and optical digital outputs to analog.
  • DMP & DMR - Digital Media Player (DMP) and Digital Media Renderer (DMR) features enable wired or wireless access of audio, picture, and video files stored on DLNA-compatible digital media servers such as a computer or network storage device (NAS).
  • SMB/CIFS Access - The BDP-105 comes with an experimental feature that can access video, audio and picture files shared by computers on the local network via the Server Message Block (SMB) or Common Internet File System (CIFS) protocol.
  • Headphone Amplifier – For a more intimate listening experience, a pair of headphones can be connected directly to the BDP-105’s built-in headphone amplifiers. The headphone amplifier is connected directly to the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC and offers a unique performance advantage over standalone headphone amplifiers.
  • Rigid Chassis Construction - Built around a steel chassis, aluminum faceplate, and center-mounted disc loader, the BDP-105 is designed to impress as well as to provide a stable base for the highest quality reproduction of your favorite media.
  • Fanless Architecture – The BDP-105 is passively cooled, allowing it to run both cool and quiet without the need for internal or external fans.

High Fidelity Audio Performance:
  • SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-105 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output. To learn more about the technologies behind the exceptional performance of the SABRE DAC, please read the SABRE Technical White Paper.
  • Toroidal Power Supply - A toroidal power transformer offers superior power efficiency and much lower exterior magnetic fields over traditional laminated steel core transformers. The BDP-105's toroidal linear power supply provides a very clean and robust power source to the critical audio components.
  • Dedicated Stereo Output with XLR Balanced Connectors - The BDP-105 features a dedicated 2-channel analog output with specially optimized ES9018 DAC and output driving stages. The stereo output offers both XLR balanced and RCA single-ended connectors. The balanced output features a true differential signal path all the way from the DAC to the 3-pin XLR connector. By transmitting a pair of differential signals, the balanced output provides better common-mode noise rejection and improves signal quality.
  • 7.1-Channel Analog Output - Individual analog 7.1-channel surround outputs are ideal for connecting to a 7.1-channel or 5.1-channel surround sound system. The BDP-105 delivers an incredible sound stage and an immersive surround experience. The 7.1-channel analog output can also be configured to a stereo down-mix mode as a Zone 2 audio source.
  • Dolby® TrueHD - Dolby TrueHD delivers lossless studio master quality audio designed specifically for high definition entertainment. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of Dolby TrueHD via its HDMI 1.4a output. It can also internally decode Dolby TrueHD into LPCM and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus audio formats are also supported.
  • DTS-HD Master Audio™ - DTS-HD Master Audio delivers an auditory experience that matches the lifelike images of high-definition video with up to 7.1 channels that are bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of DTS-HD Master Audio. It can also internally decode DTS-HD Master Audio and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS Digital Surround are also supported.)

Diversified Media Support:
  • Blu-ray Disc - The high definition Blu-ray Disc™ format provides pristine video and audio quality for your home entertainment.
  • Blu-ray 3D – Experience high definition in all new dimensions. The BDP-105 supports the Blu-ray 3D specifications and is fully compatible with Blu-ray 3D discs1.
  • SACD - The BDP-105 plays Super Audio CD (SACD) and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to output the DSD (Direct Stream Digital) signal in its native format or convert it to PCM.
  • DVD-Audio - The BDP-105 plays DVD-Audio and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to play the DVD-Audio or the DVD-Video portion of the disc.
  • VUDU HD Movie Streaming - Stream thousands of movies instantly the day-and-date they are released on DVD/Blu-ray in stunning 1080p video, rich 7.1 surround audio and even in 3D2.
  • Netflix Instant Streaming - Instantly watch TV shows & movies streaming from Netflix3. Netflix "Just For Kids" is a special selection of kid-friendly TV episodes & movies for younger viewers. It is included with your Netflix unlimited streaming membership. Selected titles support features including 1080p video, 5.1ch audio, subtitles and alternative audio languages.
  • Pandora Internet Radio - Personalized music streaming using the Music Genome Project, staying true to their mission: "Playing only the music you'll love".4
  • Comprehensive Internet Streaming - In addition to VUDU, Netflix and Pandora, the BDP-105 provides access to popular entertainment network services from Film Fresh, YouTube Leanback and Picasa, with more to come.
  • BD-Live & BonusVIEW - The BDP-105 supports BD-Live™ (Profile 2.0) and contains all necessary hardware - audio/video decoder, Ethernet and wireless networking, and 1GB of internal storage - for BD-Live. It also supports BonusVIEW (Profile 1.1) enabling "picture-in-picture" and audio features for viewing director or actor commentary while the main movie is playing.
  • Additional Disc & Media Formats - Additional disc and file formats, such as DVD, audio CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, AVCHD, MP4, AVI, MKV and other audio/video/picture files on recorded discs or USB drives can be played back on the BDP-105. The BDP-105 fully supports high-resolution lossless WAV and FLAC music formats.5

Unparalleled Video Quality:
  • Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-105 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content. For high-quality Blu-ray content, the BDP-105 faithfully reproduces the program just as the director intended; for DVD, the up-converted picture quality bridges the visual gap from your current DVD library to Blu-ray discs; for network streaming and user-encoded content at a variety of formats and quality, the BDP-105 offers enhancement options including video noise reduction, compression artifact reduction, intelligent color, contrast, detail and edge enhancements. To learn more about the Qdeo video processing technology, please read the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief.
  • DVD Up-Conversion - Per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform the standard definition image on DVDs to high definition output on your TV. Additional Qdeo video processing options help to deliver a clearer, smoother, and more true-to-life picture free of noise and artifacts.
  • Full HD 1080p Output - The BDP-105 features user selectable video output resolutions, including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and 4K.
  • True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-105 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output 1080p 24Hz.
  • Source Direct Mode - For users who wish to use an external video processor, the BDP-105 offers a "Source Direct" mode. The original audio/video content on the discs is sent out with no additional processing or alteration.
  • Multiple Zoom Modes - The BDP-105 supports multiple levels of aspect ratio control and image zooming. Users can watch a movie in its original aspect ratio, fit to the full screen, or zoom in to remove the black bars on some titles.
  • Vertical Stretch Mode - For customers with a 2.35:1 CIH (Constant Image Height) display system, the player's zoom options include a vertical stretch mode to work nicely with an anamorphic lens. A unique subtitle shift feature allows the user to move the subtitle up and down, making it possible to see all subtitle text when using a 2.35:1 CIH display.
  • Advanced Picture Control - Users can have fine control of brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, sharpness, noise reduction, color and contrast enhancements. The player can remember and apply three custom picture control modes to suit a variety of viewing conditions and content types.

Ultimate Convenience:
  • Dual HDMI Outputs – Two HDMI v1.4a output ports are provided to offer the most versatile installation options to both older and newer HDMI equipment. You do not have to upgrade your A/V receiver to a 3D model in order to enjoy 3D. One HDMI output of the BDP-105 can be connected to a 3D TV and the other can be connected to a pre-3D HDMI v1.1-v1.3 A/V receiver. For projector users, you can connect one output to a projector for home theater use and the other to a TV for casual viewing. For a multi-room installation the BDP-105 can output audio and video to two 3D or 2D TVs simultaneously.
  • MHL Input – Simplify connecting smartphones, tablets and other mobile devices to the home theater by using the MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) input port of the BDP-105. Display high resolution pictures, 1080p video and listen to pure digital music all while simultaneously charging the connected mobile device. The front HDMI input port of the BDP-105 doubles as an MHL input.
  • Wireless & Ethernet – Using the included wireless-N adapter or the built-in RJ45 Ethernet port, users will be able to interact with BD-Live content, watch instant streaming programs from providers such as Netflix or VUDU, playback contents stored on their home network, and keep the BDP-105 up-to-date with firmware releases to ensure maximum Blu-ray compatibility.
  • Triple USB Ports - Three USB 2.0 high speed ports are provided, one on the front panel and two on the back. Users can enjoy high definition video, high resolution photos and music directly from their USB drives.
  • PAL/NTSC Conversion - The BDP-105 supports NTSC and PAL systems for both disc playback and video output. It can also convert content of one system for output in another. (Subject to DVD and BD region restrictions.)
  • Back-lit Remote Control - The BDP-105 comes with a fully back-lit remote control for ease of use in dark home theaters. With its ergonomic button layout and clear labeling, operating the Blu-ray Disc player is easier than ever.
  • World Power Supply - The BDP-105 features a world power supply that is compatible with AC power from all regions. Voltage range from 100V-120V and 200V-240V can be selected by flipping a switch on the back panel.
  • External IR - For integration into home theater control systems, the BDP-105 provides an external IR IN port to use with an IR distribution system.
  • RS232 Control - For custom installation, the BDP-105 offers an RS232 control port with a rich control and communication protocol. Installers can easily program their favorite control systems to operate the BDP-105.
  • Remote Control Apps – For additional user convenience, the BDP-105 can be operated using remote control apps running on compatible smartphone and tablet devices. The remote control app for Android is already available. An app for Apple iOS devices is coming soon.
  • HDMI CEC - HDMI Consumer Electronics Control simplifies the home theater by allowing a single remote control to operate multiple devices.
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™ - By connecting to Gracenote's global media database over the Internet, the BDP-105 can offer an enriched playback experience by displaying Cover Art, Title, Artist, Genre and other media information for CD, DVD, Blu-ray and a wide range of digital media files.

OPPO BDP-105 User's Manual
Unofficial BDP-103 FAQ (Applicable to the BDP-105)
OPPO Wiki FAQ

REVIEWS
The Absolute Sound (Chris Martins)
Sound+Vision (Al Griffin)
Audiophile Audion (Brian Bloom)
Jim Prillaman
Audioholics (Gene DellaSala)
From Script to DVD (William Kallay)
Everything Audio Network (John Gatski)
Home Theater (Kris Deering)
DEG Emiel N. Petrone Innovation 2012 Best Physical Media Product Award
LAAudiofile (Kevin Nakano)
Product of the Year from Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity (John E. Johnson) Writeup

FIRMWARE RELEASES
Check the Official BDP-103 Owner's Thread. I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues.

luismanrara 11-16-2012 09:27 AM

Read this whole thread, already tired. waiting for wednesday's delivery.

OtherSongs 11-16-2012 10:46 AM

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... FIRMWARE RELEASES
Check the Official BDP-103 Owner's Thread. I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues.

Nice 1st post to kick off this "Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread"

I applaud your above comment of "I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues."

IMO you might consider putting these words near the start of the 1st post.

JonStatt 11-16-2012 11:15 AM

I have some first impressions of the Oppo 105. I also have an 83 and a 95 (although the 95 will be going up for sale soon)

Firstly, its big and its heavy. It is very solid and feels a high-end quality product. Compared to the Oppo 83 of old, it is in a different class.

The only physical thing that the 95 had, that the 105 doesn't is plastic dust covers over all the RCA connectors!

In the box was the usual Oppo branded shopping bag, HDMI cable, new style remote, WiFi adapter and stand/cable for it, batteries and UK mains lead. And I was also given an Oppo branded 8GB USB stick and AIX 3D music and calibration disc.

One reason I wanted the 105 was to be able to simplify my set-up. I have a Lexicon MC-12 and use the analogue 5.1 inputs from my Toshiba XE1 HD DVD player, and the Oppo. To connect both things I had a high-end Zektor switcher. But this means lots of cables, and the switch must affect things no matter high-end it is. With the 105 I can connect the Toshiba XE1 through the Oppo, and use the DACs of the Oppo (which are better), thus meaning only one set of cables to the processor. I got this working very quickly, but I have had a couple of HDMI handshake hiccups that have left me with a black screen that I need to figure out what element in the chain is causing it.

Today, I spent most of the time comparing the Oppo headphone amplifier to my dedicated Burson Soloist. I have Audeze LCD-3 headphones, which are magnetic planar headphones. I am in love with them. When you want to listen to your music late at night, you don’t want to disturb others in the house (or neighbours), but you don’t want to compromise your listening either. Up until now I always thought headphones were a “poor mans” listen compared to my high-end speakers. These headphones changed my mind on that. Tonally they sound almost identical to my main set-up. They may not have quite the soundstage you get with speakers, but you do get more intimacy instead which isn’t a bad thing. They are more demanding than some headphones in terms of their power requirements. I was concerned that the Oppo would fail to drive them well. I need to eat a little humble pie. Although I have to turn up the volume to around 75 out of 100 on the Oppo, it is more than capable of driving the headphones. However, compared to the Soloist which can output watts rather than milliwatts, the Oppo is lacking some of the dynamics and texture, and ultimately realism of the original music. That is not to say it is poor in any way. Quite the opposite, the headphone output is firmly into audiophile territory. Some may love the smooth, sweet, and easy to listen to sound it produces. In fact I may choose to use it on occasions when I want to relax and unwind. It is also somewhat unfair to compare an 800 pounds (UK) headphone amplifier to a 1000 pound (UK) play-everything super player. The Oppo may do even better with easier headphones. While I would have been shocked if it had equalled or even bettered the Burson, it gets a lot closer than I thought it would!

I haven’t done much comparison yet with the 95 on the multi-channel and stereo outputs. I did notice that at the fixed output level they seemed to be a couple of dB quieter than the 95. I won't be able to A/B switch, but I will be able to ascertain if it is at least as good as the 95. The 105 removes the DAC stacking (4 per channel) on the dedicated stereo output in order to power the RCA/XLRs at the same time, and drive 2 per channel for the headphone output. Oppo claim they found no sonic benefit in stacking the DACs. This became fashionable but now seems to be falling out of favour. Also the 105 uses AC coupling rather than DC as per the 95. DC coupling has the advantage of ruler flat bass frequency responses down to 1Hz. Oppo assure us that although they have switched to AC coupling for compatibility reasons (with external amps etc), that they have still achieved very good linear bass response.

One thing I will say though, this player is fast. People bought the 83 for its speed over the Sony’s and Pioneer’s of the time. The new models really crank up the gears another notch, and even the settings menus are clearly much more zippy to use.

JonStatt 11-16-2012 11:16 AM

I have done some very brief comparisons of the 95 against the 105 in terms of the stereo outputs. They do sound a bit different, and I am finding that the output level is slightly different meaning I have to volume compensate (105 is quieter). The 105 is slightly brighter sounding, and possibly connected, it gives the impression of being faster in handling transients. Or in other words the perception is a slightly higher resolution at those higher frequencies. The downside is it also gives me the perception of slightly thinner bass at times, but one perception influences the other here. I have to say at first listens the 105 is better to my ears. I am not going to pretend the difference is dramatic. It isn't. But they do have a different presentation. My first guess is that its the power supply that is responsible for these changes more than anything else, but this is just pure speculation.

I need to do much more listening, but its very important not to do too much in a comparison session otherwise the ears start playing tricks and you get fatigued...so this will take some days.

Overall though, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the 105 is not a downward step over the 95 despite the loss of DAC stacking.

JohnAV 11-16-2012 01:44 PM

Nice to see the BDP-105 owners thread up.

JonStatt's post about using Audeze LCD-3 headphones was very interesting. Curious to see how others feel about the BDP-105 headphone amp, along with what type of headphones they are using?

Bob Pariseau 11-16-2012 02:01 PM

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ti-triodes 11-16-2012 04:54 PM

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I have done some very brief comparisons of the 95 against the 105 in terms of the stereo outputs. They do sound a bit different, and I am finding that the output level is slightly different meaning I have to volume compensate (105 is quieter). The 105 is slightly brighter sounding, and possibly connected, it gives the impression of being faster in handling transients. Or in other words the perception is a slightly higher resolution at those higher frequencies. The downside is it also gives me the perception of slightly thinner bass at times, but one perception influences the other here. I have to say at first listens the 105 is better to my ears. I am not going to pretend the difference is dramatic. It isn't. But they do have a different presentation. My first guess is that its the power supply that is responsible for these changes more than anything else, but this is just pure speculation.
I need to do much more listening, but its very important not to do too much in a comparison session otherwise the ears start playing tricks and you get fatigued...so this will take some days.
Overall though, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the 105 is not a downward step over the 95 despite the loss of DAC stacking.




Thanks for this. I would be very interested in any other 95/ 105 owners to give us some comparisons of the analog outputs of both units.

Ric Schultz 11-16-2012 05:17 PM

You must let the 105 run for at least 2-3 weeks before it will sound its best. Out of the box, you will get a somewhat thin and grainy closed down sound. This was true for the 95 as well. I had two stock 95s here at the same time, one brand new and one that had 200 plus hours. The burned in one sounded much better.

I had an Eastern Electric DAC here that also uses the ES9018 DAC and the thing sounds wonderful.....better than a stock 95 and I bet better than stock 105. It uses only one set of the outputs from the DAC. Shocked me when I noticed this. Maybe the paralleling thing really does not make much difference with this chip. Maybe depends on what kind of output stage you are using. We shall see.

I received my first 105 today and will give it a quick listen and then start the burn in process. I will run it on repeat and also ocasionally use the Tara Labs burn in disc with the output stage loaded with a low impedance resistor. I will let everyone know what I think of the sound when I have burned it in.

I just checked the voltage on the output op amp just before the output coupling caps. There is some DC voltage offset when the unit is powering up and some when powering down. All this is stopped by the coupling caps. The voltage offset is never more than one and a half volts but if you had your volume control way up or were using the unit directly into an amp with the digital volume control and your amp was on and you turned it on.....not good. So, for most people, they will want to keep the stock coupling cap (a very good Elna Silmic cap). Of course, this opens the way for better coupling caps to be used. In some systems, you could get away with not having the coupling cap. After the unit settles there is less than 15 mv offset. The stock electrolytic coupling cap will take a while to really sound good.

pottscb 11-16-2012 05:18 PM



Giddy with excitement. I've been lucky enough to be chosen to review this unit for The Absolute Sound. I'll be focusing the review on what this unit does above and beyond the 95...and also focusing on what $199 buys you if you're using it as an external DAC. I don't personally use headphone amps but I have a decent pair of Etymotics that I'll use to evaluate it against my Creek Evolution 2 integrated.

I agree with JonStatt, I won't be hurrying through this review as I know its significance. The upside is, if you have any great ideas for the review, feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do. I'll also be doing a follow-up review in early 2013 comparing it against some other reputable DACs to see if this truly is, the one box miracle it appears to be on paper.

I welcome your comments and suggestions.

Brian-HD 11-16-2012 05:22 PM

I was expecting a FW too.

Torqdog 11-16-2012 05:23 PM

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Giddy with excitement. I've been lucky enough to be chosen to review this unit for The Absolute Sound. I'll be focusing the review on what this unit does above and beyond the 95...and also focusing on what $199 buys you if you're using it as an external DAC. I don't personally use headphone amps but I have a decent pair of Etymotics that I'll use to evaluate it against my Creek Evolution 2 integrated.
I agree with JonStatt, I won't be hurrying through this review as I know its significance. The upside is, if you have any great ideas for the review, feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do. I'll also be doing a follow-up review in early 2013 comparing it against some other reputable DACs to see if this truly is, the one box miracle it appears to be on paper.
I welcome your comments and suggestions.
Please be sure to post the link to your Absolute Sound review here.smile.gif

djkiwi 11-16-2012 06:37 PM

Guys, I've been playing with the 105 for a couple of hours. I will burn it in for a few days before making any comments on sound. One thing though is netflix and vudu. I have a Samsung smart TV with a USB wireless stick and also a Roku. Both of these have no issues streaming netflix. The Oppo is very slow to start streaming and then when it does the connection will be lost and tries to reconnect. Vudu won't load at all. Anyone else seen this? Maybe I have a dud wireless adaptor? I did notice the 95 was slow to load netflix as well. I'm using a Cisco E3000 which is no slug.

Cheers
DJ

Bob Pariseau 11-16-2012 06:41 PM

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I welcome your comments and suggestions.

You sure you got the right thing? The top of the carton says it is an "oddo"....

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Bob Pariseau 11-16-2012 06:46 PM

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Guys, I've been playing with the 105 for a couple of hours. I will burn it in for a few days before making any comments on sound. One thing though is netflix and vudu. I have a Samsung smart TV with a USB wireless stick and also a Roku. Both of these have no issues streaming netflix. The Oppo is very slow to start streaming and then when it does the connection will be lost and tries to reconnect. Vudu won't load at all. Anyone else seen this? Maybe I have a dud wireless adaptor? I did notice the 95 was slow to load netflix as well. I'm using a Cisco E3000 which is no slug.

Cheers
DJ

Check Setup > Network Setup > Connection Info for your signal strength and to confirm you are connecting to the Wifi base you intended to use.

In VUDU, check My VUDU > Info & Settings > Network Speed Test to see what sort of speed the VUDU app is seeing.

Improvements in networking performance can come from lots of things. For example, use the included USB extender to try different positioning of the Wifi dongle.

Also try using a different DNS service, such as OpenDNS or Google's public DNS. You can set DNS address numbers in the IP Settings > Manual. For some of these services, the server farm they connect you to is determined by the DNS service you use (a surrogate for your location). If that results in you getting connected to a distant server farm, then you get poorer performance.

You may also be suffering from interference on your Wifi. Try setting your base station to use a different Wifi channel. Interference can come from neighbor Wifi, cordless phones, poorly shielded microwave ovens, etc.
--Bob

John Schlarb 11-16-2012 07:01 PM

I'm looking at the BDP-103, and I wonder if the analog audio section of the BDP-105 would be noticeably better than the one in my Pioneer Elite SC-05. The SC-05 uses a 192 kHz / 24-bit DAC (Wolfson WM8740). I have a collection of SACDs, and I'm looking for a good replacement for my "fat" PS3, which died last year. My speakers are Ascend Acoustics, not the best, but certainly not bad.

Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks.

Franchot 11-16-2012 07:11 PM

I received my unit today and began playing around with it a bit.

The main reason I bought the 105 over the 103 was the headphone amp. I gave a few CDs a few spins with my Audez'e LCD-2s and Sennheiser 800s. The headphone amp sounds very nice. smile.gif

ehlarson 11-16-2012 07:23 PM

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You sure you got the right thing? The top of the carton says it is an "oddo"....
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--Bob

Mine says the same thing. I think that they are all like that.

djkiwi 11-16-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Check Setup > Network Setup > Connection Info for your signal strength and to confirm you are connecting to the Wifi base you intended to use.
In VUDU, check My VUDU > Info & Settings > Network Speed Test to see what sort of speed the VUDU app is seeing.
Improvements in networking performance can come from lots of things. For example, use the included USB extender to try different positioning of the Wifi dongle.
Also try using a different DNS service, such as OpenDNS or Google's public DNS. You can set DNS address numbers in the IP Settings > Manual. For some of these services, the server farm they connect you to is determined by the DNS service you use (a surrogate for your location). If that results in you getting connected to a distant server farm, then you get poorer performance.
You may also be suffering from interference on your Wifi. Try setting your base station to use a different Wifi channel. Interference can come from neighbor Wifi, cordless phones, poorly shielded microwave ovens, etc.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. The point is the Samsung USB, the roku and the Oppo are all connected to the same wifi base through the same TV (Samsung). So everything is the same. The roku can be in a cupboard and still has no performance issues. The only one having an issue is the Oppo. The signal strength is 66%. I also tried the extender with no luck.

I rechecked netflix through the Samsung USB and the roku and no issues and full HD. The Oppo, if it connects has poor picture quality and is having obvious issues with throughput.

I'm thinking either the Oppo adapter needs a stronger signal than either the Samsung USB or Roku or the oppo adaptor I have is a dud. I will contact Oppo about it and see if I can get another one.

Cheers
DJ

Maison 11-16-2012 07:30 PM

Got mine as well... May get to it later tonight. I still have my 95, but the 105 allows me to sell the W4S DAC2 and my Woo Audio W2 simplifying the system a bit. My MacMini, Squeezebox Touch, and Denon D7000 has a new friend. I'm gonna love the new 105.

vlach 11-16-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

I received my unit today and began playing around with it a bit.
The main reason I bought the 105 over the 103 was the headphone amp. I gave a few CDs a few spins with my Audez'e LCD-2s and Sennheiser 800s. The headphone amp sounds very nice. smile.gif

For the sake of comparison, can i ask which headphone amp (and DAC) you were using prior to the 105?

Franchot 11-16-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

For the sake of comparison, can i ask which headphone amp (and DAC) you were using prior to the 105?

I'm probably not the guy to ask that question to for any sort of definitive answer because up until now I've been using the headphone jack of my Yamaha RX-A2000 receiver. I'd been looking to invest in a headphone amp, but I heard about the 105 including one so I held off buying one until the 105 was released. My post was more to indicate that the 105's headphone amp (to my ears) gets the job done with the two cans I mentioned.

JonStatt's post #4 will give you a better idea of the 105's headphone amp's quality.

leefarber 11-16-2012 09:57 PM

Here's an interesting question...

I have connected my 105 to my AVR via HDMI 1 to take advantage of the QDEO processing. The manual states that DSD via HDMI is only available thru HDMI 2. But I still get audio when I select DSD for SACD Output even though HDMI 1 should only be passing PCM.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Bob Pariseau 11-16-2012 10:00 PM

8 Attachment(s)
^ It's sending HDMI LPCM.
--Bob

leefarber 11-16-2012 10:06 PM

You're right, Bob! I just switched it to HDMI 2, and now the display says "DSD". I just assumed it wouldn't output any audio at all if DSD was selected via HDMI 1.

I'm enjoying the player, though I haven't yet been able to grab my SPL meter and properly calibrate the Speaker Configuration to really take advantage of the DACs. Via HDMI though (with Audyssey engaged), everything sounds great. Looking forward to really taking the DACs for a test drive, since that's why I went with the 105 over the 103.

The question now is, are the DACs good enough that I can get rid of my Lindemann 24/192 USB DAC connected to my Mac Mini Music Server and just use the 105...

dmusoke 11-16-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post


I'm probably not the guy to ask that question to for any sort of definitive answer because up until now I've been using the headphone jack of my Yamaha RX-A2000 receiver. I'd been looking to invest in a headphone amp, but I heard about the 105 including one so I held off buying one until the 105 was released. My post was more to indicate that the 105's headphone amp (to my ears) gets the job done with the two cans I mentioned.
JonStatt's post #4 will give you a better idea of the 105's headphone amp's quality.

 

Can you elaborate on the sound a bit more than "nice", if possiblesmile.gif? I'm curious too about the headphone performance with the Audeze headphones. Jon Scott above did a nice review, but we need more reviewers when available. How far can you turn up the volume on the 105 before you give up? Need to know how beefy the amplifier is ....


leefarber 11-16-2012 11:21 PM

Finally had a moment to do some calibrating with the SPL meter. The 105 has officially passed the wife acceptance test. I played Steely Dan's "Gaucho" DVD-A through the Analog output, then through the HDMI to my Denon AVR-4308ci (with Audyssey MultiEQ XT). While HDMI with Audyssey definitely had a warmer sound, even her "untrained" ears preferred the clarity of the superior DACs in the 105. I boosted the SW level in the 105 to warm it up a little, and the result was audio nirvana.

I plan on replacing my Denon AVR-4308ci (which I only use as a Pre/Pro to my Sunfire Cinema Grand II Amp) with either an Integra 80.3 or a Marantz 8801, both of which have Audyssey MultiEQ XT32. At that point, it might be harder to decide between HDMI or Analog out of the 105...

dmusoke 11-17-2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by leefarber View Post

Finally had a moment to do some calibrating with the SPL meter. The 105 has officially passed the wife acceptance test. I played Steely Dan's "Gaucho" DVD-A through the Analog output, then through the HDMI to my Denon AVR-4308ci (with Audyssey MultiEQ XT). While HDMI with Audyssey definitely had a warmer sound, even her "untrained" ears preferred the clarity of the superior DACs in the 105. I boosted the SW level in the 105 to warm it up a little, and the result was audio nirvana.
I plan on replacing my Denon AVR-4308ci (which I only use as a Pre/Pro to my Sunfire Cinema Grand II Amp) with either an Integra 80.3 or a Marantz 8801, both of which have Audyssey MultiEQ XT32. At that point, it might be harder to decide between HDMI or Analog out of the 105...

 

Thanks for the review Lee ...are you saying the 105 sounded better through its un-processed analog outs versus thru HDMI + Audyssey?


tranle 11-17-2012 01:06 AM

What is the trick to be able to browse Windows (7 or 8) shares ? It can see the directory but the login fail.I suspect that the 105 can not negotiate using the newer NT authentication.

Thanks.

Franchot 11-17-2012 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Can you elaborate on the sound a bit more than "nice", if possible:) ? I'm curious too about the headphone performance with the Audeze headphones. Jon Scott above did a nice review, but we need more reviewers when available. How far can you turn up the volume on the 105 before you give up? Need to know how beefy the amplifier is ....

Sorry about the lack of description. I only had a short amount of time to set the player up and test out how the headphone amp sounded. By "nice" I mean the sound was smooth, detailed, and non-fatiguing. (I was listening to selected cuts from the CD versions of the Cure's Greatest Hits and John Hiatt's "Riding With The King" and an SACD of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.)

I did some further headphone listening tonight switching back and forth between the headphone jacks on the 105 and my Yamaha 2000 and my Sennheiser 800s and the LCD-2s

I put in Clash of the Titans 3-D in the 105 with the 800s and the 105 didn't seem to muscle up a great deal of volume. The detail was very nice, but I had the volume up to 90 and above. On the Yamaha, there was plenty of headroom to go higher and the movie played much louder. Switching over to the LCD-2s, the 105 provided a better sound (clearer and more detailed), but again the volume was up to 85 to 90 to give me the sort of immersion that I craved. Again, the Yamaha easily played the movie louder if not as cleanly and crisply.

I put in Quadrophenia SACD (import) and again I was rather disappointed with the amount of volume from the 105 with the 800s. I could push the volume to 100 without distorting, but I've never listened to my cans at near maximum volume before. (Maybe it's a psychological thing or maybe I'm just getting old. frown.gif.) Quadrophenia sounded better on the 105 with the LCD-2s, but the volume was in the 85 and up region.

At this juncture, I'm enjoying how the 105 and the LCD-2s interact with each other. The 800s and the Yamaha seem to work better for me. I'll let my ears (and body) get a good night's rest and do some more exploring tomorrow.

JonStatt 11-17-2012 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post

You must let the 105 run for at least 2-3 weeks before it will sound its best. Out of the box, you will get a somewhat thin and grainy closed down sound. This was true for the 95 as well. I had two stock 95s here at the same time, one brand new and one that had 200 plus hours. The burned in one sounded much better.
I had an Eastern Electric DAC here that also uses the ES9018 DAC and the thing sounds wonderful.....better than a stock 95 and I bet better than stock 105. It uses only one set of the outputs from the DAC. Shocked me when I noticed this. Maybe the paralleling thing really does not make much difference with this chip. Maybe depends on what kind of output stage you are using. We shall see.
I received my first 105 today and will give it a quick listen and then start the burn in process. I will run it on repeat and also ocasionally use the Tara Labs burn in disc with the output stage loaded with a low impedance resistor. I will let everyone know what I think of the sound when I have burned it in.
I just checked the voltage on the output op amp just before the output coupling caps. There is some DC voltage offset when the unit is powering up and some when powering down. All this is stopped by the coupling caps. The voltage offset is never more than one and a half volts but if you had your volume control way up or were using the unit directly into an amp with the digital volume control and your amp was on and you turned it on.....not good. So, for most people, they will want to keep the stock coupling cap (a very good Elna Silmic cap). Of course, this opens the way for better coupling caps to be used. In some systems, you could get away with not having the coupling cap. After the unit settles there is less than 15 mv offset. The stock electrolytic coupling cap will take a while to really sound good.

While I am not denying that burn-in has an effect, with all of my solid state devices, I have found that the first 10 hours is where all the change really happens, and after that, if it does change, its very slight and very gradual. I had actually run-in the 105 for over 15 hours before I actually listened to anything on it smile.gif Nothing sounded thin or grainy to my ears.I believe that what I noted regarding the 105 having a slightly brighter and more detailed presentation, is a characteristic difference rather than something that will disappear with burn-in.

JonStatt 11-17-2012 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

Sorry about the lack of description. I only had a short amount of time to set the player up and test out how the headphone amp sounded. By "nice" I mean the sound was smooth, detailed, and non-fatiguing. (I was listening to selected cuts from the CD versions of the Cure's Greatest Hits and John Hiatt's "Riding With The King" and an SACD of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.)
I did some further headphone listening tonight switching back and forth between the headphone jacks on the 105 and my Yamaha 2000 and my Sennheiser 800s and the LCD-2s
I put in Clash of the Titans 3-D in the 105 with the 800s and the 105 didn't seem to muscle up a great deal of volume. The detail was very nice, but I had the volume up to 90 and above. On the Yamaha, there was plenty of headroom to go higher and the movie played much louder. Switching over to the LCD-2s, the 105 provided a better sound (clearer and more detailed), but again the volume was up to 85 to 90 to give me the sort of immersion that I craved. Again, the Yamaha easily played the movie louder if not as cleanly and crisply.
I put in Quadrophenia SACD (import) and again I was rather disappointed with the amount of volume from the 105 with the 800s. I could push the volume to 100 without distorting, but I've never listened to my cans at near maximum volume before. (Maybe it's a psychological thing or maybe I'm just getting old. frown.gif.) Quadrophenia sounded better on the 105 with the LCD-2s, but the volume was in the 85 and up region.
At this juncture, I'm enjoying how the 105 and the LCD-2s interact with each other. The 800s and the Yamaha seem to work better for me. I'll let my ears (and body) get a good night's rest and do some more exploring tomorrow.

What you are describing is exactly what I found. There isn't quite enough headroom in my opinion in the output power of the headphone amplifier for these more demanding headphones. When you say things didn't "muscle up" it tends to imply it is compressing the peaks. Even though I could get loud enough for any music I wanted to listen to, there was evidence of compression of some of the dynamics. The end result is a very smooth, easy to listen to, well balanced sound. For those looking for more excitement, it may fall short and for those looking to chill-out and relax, it is going to be very pleasing indeed. It isn't over-powering at any frequency point and is fairly neutral. If it just had a bit more oomph it would have been perfect.

glangford 11-17-2012 04:28 AM

For adding the headphone amp and external dac capability at 199 bucks, I would have been surprised if the 105 could compete with a dedicated headphone amp that a headphone audiophile might use.

OTOH, it does seem that from the limited comments, that it has done a quite reasonable job given the cost.

rdgrimes 11-17-2012 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

What is the trick to be able to browse Windows (7 or 8) shares ? It can see the directory but the login fail.I suspect that the 105 can not negotiate using the newer NT authentication.
Thanks.

No different really, but Windows sharing is a quagmire of settings. If you have sharing working with some other playback device, the Oppo should be pretty much plug and play. Login failure is probably due to some setting on the PC.

leefarber 11-17-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thanks for the review Lee ...are you saying the 105 sounded better through its un-processed analog outs versus thru HDMI + Audyssey?

In my case, yes. But bear in mind, my Pre/Pro only has Audyssey MultiEQ XT, not XT32. What I'm finding is that listening thru HDMI+Audyssey is pleasantly warm, but the analog outs produce an incredibly clean, pure sound. I increased the SW level in the 105 to warm up the sound a little, and its just wonderful.

I'm very curious to hear how the analog outs stack up against HDMI + Audyssey XT32.

John Schlarb 11-17-2012 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by John Schlarb View Post

I'm looking at the BDP-103, and I wonder if the analog audio section of the BDP-105 would be noticeably better than the one in my Pioneer Elite SC-05. The SC-05 uses a 192 kHz / 24-bit DAC (Wolfson WM8740). I have a collection of SACDs, and I'm looking for a good replacement for my "fat" PS3, which died last year. My speakers are Ascend Acoustics, not the best, but certainly not bad.
Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks.

Hmm, I think I've answered my own question. For my 48-year-old ears, I don't think I'll be able to tell the difference - particularly with my speaker and room setup. I've decided to get the BDP-103, and invest the difference in more SACDs. My golden-ear days are over, I think.

tomcrown1 11-17-2012 07:53 AM

Is it just me? The bass in the 105 sounds a lot more tighter then the 95. It has a more real world sound to it. The bass in the 95 always sounded like a big boom box.

The picture is also better I have noticed a more flim like texture to the picture. This may be due to the better transport in the 105 as compared to the 95.

Roger Mathus 11-17-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by djkiwi View Post

Guys, I've been playing with the 105 for a couple of hours. I will burn it in for a few days before making any comments on sound. One thing though is netflix and vudu. I have a Samsung smart TV with a USB wireless stick and also a Roku. Both of these have no issues streaming netflix. The Oppo is very slow to start streaming and then when it does the connection will be lost and tries to reconnect. Vudu won't load at all. Anyone else seen this? Maybe I have a dud wireless adaptor? I did notice the 95 was slow to load netflix as well. I'm using a Cisco E3000 which is no slug.
Cheers
DJ

I have a 93, 103, 95 and now a 105. I have had no problems with VuDu. On the signal speed test utility, what readings do you get? I don't think that the player is the source of your problems. Can you move the OPPO closer to your wireless router and get a VuDu connect to run the test? If not, I think there is a utility on the Samsung????

Roger Mathus 11-17-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

While I am not denying that burn-in has an effect, with all of my solid state devices, I have found that the first 10 hours is where all the change really happens, and after that, if it does change, its very slight and very gradual. I had actually run-in the 105 for over 15 hours before I actually listened to anything on it smile.gif Nothing sounded thin or grainy to my ears.I believe that what I noted regarding the 105 having a slightly brighter and more detailed presentation, is a characteristic difference rather than something that will disappear with burn-in.

On my 95 which I received from first batch in early 2011, I experienced a shrill sound at first but after about 2 to 3 days I did not experience it. I did a number of comparisons to an Accuphase DD75 in same system and I actually preferred the OPPO after burn-in. I received my 105 yesterday and installed in same system. The 105 sounded quite good right out of the box but I have been playing it constantly since yesterday morning. If anything, I think that the 105 seems more detailed in the upper register but without sounding harsh. I will wait a few days before doing detailed comparisons. The 105 is installed in an audio only 2-channel system with Krell amp and Dali Euphoria5 speakers. For casual viewing I have the OPPO 105 hooked up to a Samsung 40 inch LED TV. This also allows me to view the menu on the OPPO. In a separate projection room I have an OPPO 103 for Region A and an OPPO 93 for Region B. In that room I use bitstream out to a DENON AVP-A1HDCI pre-amp. I use Rotel amplifiers and M&K THX 150 speaker system with JL Audio Fathom 113 sub. Projector is Marantz VP15 and I use a Darbee video enhancer in line from DENON to the projector.

JonStatt 11-17-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Mathus View Post

On my 95 which I received from first batch in early 2011, I experienced a shrill sound at first but after about 2 to 3 days I did not experience it. I did a number of comparisons to an Accuphase DD75 in same system and I actually preferred the OPPO after burn-in. I received my 105 yesterday and installed in same system. The 105 sounded quite good right out of the box but I have been playing it constantly since yesterday morning. If anything, I think that the 105 seems more detailed in the upper register but without sounding harsh. I will wait a few days before doing detailed comparisons.

Ha! So I didn't imagine it. That is exactly what I described above as the difference I heard with the 105 over the 95....more detailed in the upper register.

ehlarson 11-17-2012 09:58 AM

I set mine up and used it to watch the Director's Cut of Watchmen last night plus exercised some of the network features and installed the remote control app on my Android. This morning I did a bit of headphone listening.

I'd say that if you have an 83 like I did that it's time to upgrade. Going from the 83 to the 105 is a major step up in many ways. Over-all it's like going from Kansas to Oz.

As far as the analog section I listened a bit with my Senn 650's. These are the hardest to drive phones I own. I have similar feelings about the head amp as the others here. With these high impedance phones the drive available seemed marginal to me. The resolution though was really good. Hopefully that resolution will also appear at the XLRs.

JazzGuyy 11-17-2012 09:59 AM

I'd love to hear how it compares to the 83SE.

Brian-HD 11-17-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I'd love to hear how it compares to the 83SE.

Objectively if possible. If someone can clearly pick it out, when compared.

himey 11-17-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Objectively if possible. If someone can clearly pick it out, when compared.

My guess is they will sound different because the DACs are stacked in the 83se...I am also looking foward to comparasons.

triweaver2 11-17-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

I set mine up and used it to watch the Director's Cut of Watchmen last night plus exercised some of the network features and installed the remote control app on my Android.
I'd say that if you have an 83 like I did that it's time to upgrade. Going from the 83 to the 105 is like going from Kansas to Oz.

Nice to know! Now to figure out how to get to my video media easier as Apple's SMB does not work well. Off to see if I can find the profile for Plex.

Torqdog 11-17-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by himey View Post

My guess is they will sound different because the DACs are stacked in the 83se...I am also looking foward to comparasons.
Not to mention that the 83SE utilizes the 9016 dac instead of the 9018. When I went from the 83SE to the 95 I noticed a definite improvement in sound quality. It wasn't substantial but it was noticable.

guitardave 11-17-2012 10:44 AM

I received my 105 on Thursday, and have had it running since. I bought it as an audio source only. I have not had a CD player in my system for a year or two, using only streaming, Mac mini, or turntable as a source. I wanted a CD player again as it is convenient to play CD's from the library, instead of loading them into my mac.
My thoughts so far, the 105 is big, bold, and dynamic. Images are pretty well formed, detail is good, but most importantly, it is fun to listen to. Straight out of the box, I listened to two CD's beginning to end. That is a very good sign. I don't normally do that.
It is far too early to have any real conclusions about this, but I am pretty impressed. I used it as a streaming dac from my Squeezebox Touch, and dac from my Mac, and it does pretty well in these areas also. Again, to early to really tell if it is a real giant killer in that role, but it is at the least quite good, even at this early stage (and I am comparing it to some pricy dacs).
This is my first Oppo product, so I can't compare it to any other models. I just post this in case potential purchasers are on the fence waiting for feedback on the 105. I don't think anyone would be disappointed in its performance. I am sure it will only get better. I do know break-in makes these things better... I would also say that the Pure Audio mode really does provide improvements. It gets noticeably cleaner.
It is quite a deal at $1200.

Brian-HD 11-17-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Not to mention that the 83SE utilizes the 9016 dac instead of the 9018. When I went from the 83SE to the 95 I noticed a definite improvement in sound quality. It wasn't substantial but it was noticable.

When compared 83se and 95, I was unable to get your result. i really tried to discern if there was an improvement.

Hikmer 11-17-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Mathus View Post

I have a 93, 103, 95 and now a 105. I have had no problems with VuDu. On the signal speed test utility, what readings do you get? I don't think that the player is the source of your problems. Can you move the OPPO closer to your wireless router and get a VuDu connect to run the test? If not, I think there is a utility on the Samsung????

How does the analouge output between the 103 and the 105 compare? I am finding my outboard DAC to sound better than the 103 and was hoping somoene could compare the two. The bass in the 103 is a tad on the soft side compared to my outbard DAC. I was thinking of picking up the 105 and doing a side by side, then retrun the 103 if I find it worth the extra $700+ dollars. Can you providse any of your findings?

audiofan1 11-17-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Ha! So I didn't imagine it. That is exactly what I described above as the difference I heard with the 105 over the 95....more detailed in the upper register.

Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)

Torqdog 11-17-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

When compared 83se and 95, I was unable to get your result. i really tried to discern if there was an improvement.
As I said, the differences weren't substantial but noticable. IIRC(it's been so long) bass was a tad deeper with the 95 and it just seemed there was a slight bit more definition in the highs. I did however notice a better multichannel performance (SACDs) with the 95 over the 83SE as there was a definite step up in performance that was realized when going from the 9006 multichannel DAC in the 83SE to the 9018 multi used in the 95. That made all the difference for me as I do listen to allot of SACDs and concert blurays via analog.

Franchot 11-17-2012 12:42 PM

In regards to the headphone amp:
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

The end result is a very smooth, easy to listen to, well balanced sound. For those looking for more excitement, it may fall short and for those looking to chill-out and relax, it is going to be very pleasing indeed. It isn't over-powering at any frequency point and is fairly neutral. If it just had a bit more oomph it would have been perfect.

Exactly. More juice to the headphone amp would have made my higher-end and harder-to-drive cans "sing" and the Oppo would be that much better. As it stands now, the 105 and my LCD-2s are very listenable, but the LCD-2s (when driven by the 105) just don't excite me as much as I know that they are capable of doing. Perhaps this will change as I do more extensive listening.

Here's a quote from David from the anticipation thread:
Quote:
Oppo is very conservative in their current design spec for the headphone circuit. Look at the table below for the rated 0.001% THD spec. The chip is capable of much more output power at this low THD than what Oppo has designed it for.

Impedance Oppo Spec Chip Spec (@0.001% THD)




600 ohm 12mW 80mW - 150mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails. Higher voltage produces higher output powers).

60 ohm 91mW 850mW - 1300mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails).

32 ohm 137mW 1500mW - 2000mW (depending on whether Oppo uses +/-12 or +/-15V supply rails).

I hope Oppo gives the user in software for the option to set the maximum output power level of the headphone amplifier. This will prevent alot of users from complaining about the 'lack' of punch or whatever for those more exotic headphones that require higher current drives(not the iphone typessmile.gif!).

- David

If Oppo could provide this option in a firmware upgrade I think it would make a lot of us very happy. biggrin.gif (And to heck with those users who use cheap ear-buds with a $1200 player...all TWO of them.)

Today, I plugged in my Denon AH-D5000 headphones and used them with the 105. These cans are much easier to drive and results were, as expected, very good. Plenty of volume and room to go higher. (I listened to the DVD-A of Rough Mix and a CD by Loudon Wainwright III.) The Denon 5000s, unfortunately, aren't in the same league as the Senn 800s or the Audez'es.
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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

Is it just me? The bass in the 105 sounds a lot more tighter then the 95. It has a more real world sound to it. The bass in the 95 always sounded like a big boom box..

I agree. The bass on the 105 is very nice--tight and well-defined.

My last Oppo was an 83 (modded to be region free) so the 105 is a significant upgrade for me. Tonight I'll focus more on the video aspects of the unit.

dmusoke 11-17-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post


Sorry about the lack of description. I only had a short amount of time to set the player up and test out how the headphone amp sounded. By "nice" I mean the sound was smooth, detailed, and non-fatiguing. (I was listening to selected cuts from the CD versions of the Cure's Greatest Hits and John Hiatt's "Riding With The King" and an SACD of Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.)
I did some further headphone listening tonight switching back and forth between the headphone jacks on the 105 and my Yamaha 2000 and my Sennheiser 800s and the LCD-2s
I put in Clash of the Titans 3-D in the 105 with the 800s and the 105 didn't seem to muscle up a great deal of volume. The detail was very nice, but I had the volume up to 90 and above. On the Yamaha, there was plenty of headroom to go higher and the movie played much louder. Switching over to the LCD-2s, the 105 provided a better sound (clearer and more detailed), but again the volume was up to 85 to 90 to give me the sort of immersion that I craved. Again, the Yamaha easily played the movie louder if not as cleanly and crisply.
I put in Quadrophenia SACD (import) and again I was rather disappointed with the amount of volume from the 105 with the 800s. I could push the volume to 100 without distorting, but I've never listened to my cans at near maximum volume before. (Maybe it's a psychological thing or maybe I'm just getting old. frown.gif.) Quadrophenia sounded better on the 105 with the LCD-2s, but the volume was in the 85 and up region.
At this juncture, I'm enjoying how the 105 and the LCD-2s interact with each other. The 800s and the Yamaha seem to work better for me. I'll let my ears (and body) get a good night's rest and do some more exploring tomorrow.

 

Franchot:

 

Thanx so much for taking the time to review the headphone amp of the 105. It seems my fears about the power of the headphone amp have been realized and they can't increase the power w/o changing a capacitor somewhere on the 2Ch board. I can imagine modders charging $100 to change a capcool.gif!

 

- David


Roger Mathus 11-17-2012 01:20 PM

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How does the analouge output between the 103 and the 105 compare? I am finding my outboard DAC to sound better than the 103 and was hoping somoene could compare the two. The bass in the 103 is a tad on the soft side compared to my outbard DAC. I was thinking of picking up the 105 and doing a side by side, then retrun the 103 if I find it worth the extra $700+ dollars. Can you providse any of your findings?

I have not compared the 103 to the 105 for analog out. The 103 is in my dedicated theater room. I use bitstream out over HDMI to the high end $7k DENON processor. The perceived difference in a comparison test would likely depend somewhat on the other components in the system. With a very transparent system, I suspect that the 105 would easily out perform the 103. In other words, different people with different systems would see varying results. In my audio system I use the 105 for its analog out performance. In my theater room, I use the 103 for its video performance and other OPPO player shared features.

Roger Mathus 11-17-2012 01:26 PM

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Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)

I also find the downmix setting more to my liking. It seems to provide a more full bodied presentation but I have not sampled a lot of different discs yet. The fine detail in the new Naxos disc with Copland's piano concerto is amazing. This afternoon I plan to test some coral music to see how it handles the complexity. Then I will go to solo voice.

Bruce Bernstein 11-17-2012 01:35 PM

I have a Mc Labs MC 8207 amp and a MX 121 processor. My blu ray player is a Panasonic DMP BD80-a few years old. I am thinking of getting the Oppo 105. Will it make a real difference with audio and video.

Thanks in advance,

Bruce

Brian-HD 11-17-2012 01:50 PM

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As I said, the differences weren't substantial but noticable. IIRC(it's been so long) bass was a tad deeper with the 95 and it just seemed there was a slight bit more definition in the highs. I did however notice a better multichannel performance (SACDs) with the 95 over the 83SE as there was a difinite step up in performance that was realized when going from the 9006 multichannel DAC in the 83SE to the 9018 multi used in the 95. That made all the difference for me as I do listen to allot of SACDs and concert blurays via analog.

My post should have stated 2 ch.

JonStatt 11-17-2012 02:33 PM

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I also find the downmix setting more to my liking. It seems to provide a more full bodied presentation but I have not sampled a lot of different discs yet. The fine detail in the new Naxos disc with Copland's piano concerto is amazing. This afternoon I plan to test some coral music to see how it handles the complexity. Then I will go to solo voice.

Hmm...I haven't tried this yet, but to make sure I am clear. You are playing "stereo" music and are finding a difference on the dedicated stereo outputs if they are set to downmix vs Front L/R?? If so there is something wrong (firmware) that needs to be fixed. There should be absolutely no difference with that setting for the dedicated stereo output when listening to stereo music. If you have a crossover set and speakers set to small I am guessing that may influence things. In my case though all speakers are set to large, all at default output level and default distance. Therefore there should be absolutely no difference....

darkphader 11-17-2012 02:45 PM

BDP-105 arrived today. One of the things I really needed was for it to handle the audio from the TV, however the audio via both ARC and Toslink is severely out-of-sync (was perfect with the old Outlaw 950 that I'm retiring). The sync issue remains with all tested sources from the TV, both OTA and using Vierra Connect for Amazon Prime feeds.

I do hope a firmware fix for this is on the way soon.

Bob Pariseau 11-17-2012 02:58 PM

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BDP-105 arrived today. One of the things I really needed was for it to handle the audio from the TV, however the audio via both ARC and Toslink is severely out-of-sync (was perfect with the old Outlaw 950 that I'm retiring). The sync issue remains with all tested sources from the TV, both OTA and using Vierra Connect for Amazon Prime feeds.

I do hope a firmware fix for this is on the way soon.

What's the direction of the error? Audio ahead of video (audio needs delay) or audio behind video (audio already has too much delay)?
--Bob

Bob Pariseau 11-17-2012 03:08 PM

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How does the analouge output between the 103 and the 105 compare? I am finding my outboard DAC to sound better than the 103 and was hoping somoene could compare the two. The bass in the 103 is a tad on the soft side compared to my outbard DAC. I was thinking of picking up the 105 and doing a side by side, then retrun the 103 if I find it worth the extra $700+ dollars. Can you providse any of your findings?

Check to make sure you have the Subwoofer output properly calibrated in your 103. If you have all speakers set to Large (or OFF) the Subwoofer output of the 103 needs +10dB boost external to the player to match the other multi-channel Analog output channels.

If any speakers are set to Small the Subwoofer output of the 103 needs +15dB boost external to the player to accomplish the same thing.

I recommend using a calibration disc to check this, such as the LPCM test tracks from AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray. Note that if your room has typical amounts of Room Gain, the SPL of the Subwoofer test tone will typically measure 2-4dB SPL hotter than the other channels when it is set "correctly" -- "C" weighting, slow response on the meter.
--Bob

Bob Pariseau 11-17-2012 03:19 PM

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What's the direction of the error? Audio ahead of video (audio needs delay) or audio behind video (audio already has too much delay)?
--Bob

Audio is behind the video. Even disc play is off but only by a bit, enough to be annoying as opposed to virtually unusable with ARC/Toslink feed. This is using the using the Stereo Outs w/stereo downmix directly driving the power amp.

Please shoot OPPO tech support an email with the configuration you are using that demonstrates the problem. Do mention that the same sort of thing worked OK when using the Outlaw, so they know your TV is putting out stuff with proper sync at its outputs.
--Bob

wse 11-17-2012 03:38 PM

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Nice 1st post to kick off this "Official OPPO BDP-105 Owner's Thread" I applaud your above comment of "I want to keep this thread more about the quality of the player, and less about software/firmware issues." IMO you might consider putting these words near the start of the 1st post.

Great so how does it sound I am sitting on the side line even so I received a pre-invitation, dose it sound better than the BDP-95?

wse 11-17-2012 03:40 PM

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Is it just me? The bass in the 105 sounds a lot more tighter then the 95. It has a more real world sound to it. The bass in the 95 always sounded like a big boom box. The picture is also better I have noticed a more flim like texture to the picture. This may be due to the better transport in the 105 as compared to the 95.

What is your system?

vlach 11-17-2012 03:40 PM

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Hmm...I haven't tried this yet, but to make sure I am clear. You are playing "stereo" music and are finding a difference on the dedicated stereo outputs if they are set to downmix vs Front L/R?? If so there is something wrong (firmware) that needs to be fixed. There should be absolutely no difference with that setting for the dedicated stereo output when listening to stereo music. If you have a crossover set and speakers set to small I am guessing that may influence things. In my case though all speakers are set to large, all at default output level and default distance. Therefore there should be absolutely no difference....


I believe audiofan1 stated this was the case by down mixing the "FL & FR" of the MCH outputs, not the "dedicated" stereo outputs...

JonStatt 11-17-2012 03:43 PM

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I believe audiofan1 stated this was the case by down mixing the "FL & FR" of the MCH outputs, not the "dedicated" stereo outputs...

I await clarification then. I assumed he meant the setting for the dedicated stereo outputs which can either be "Downmix" or "Front L/R".

Neuromancer 11-17-2012 04:04 PM

If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.

On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.

On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.

ehlarson 11-17-2012 04:15 PM

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Today, I plugged in my Denon AH-D5000 headphones and used them with the 105. These cans are much easier to drive and results were, as expected, very good. Plenty of volume and room to go higher.

I did a similar test with my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 600 ohm phones. The BDP-105 had no problem driving these to high levels.

I am starting to think the sound quality of the head amp, at least to my tastes, is better than my Lavry DA10. The detail is winning me over.

vlach 11-17-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.
On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.
On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.

So is there a SQ benefit to set the FL + FR channels to downmix for stereo 2.0 material? An earlier poster said he heard more fullness/body using the 95 that way...

delkat 11-17-2012 04:34 PM

So I ordered a 105 a couple of days ago and I need some recommendations on how to handle digital audio from my PC Laptop. I don't know much about networks and servers but I want to use a large (2 Terabit) external drive to keep my music library on. Currently I have a wireless router with 4 x 10/100Mbit ethernet ports. I'm not sure if upgrading my router to 1G Ethernet capability will be of any benefit since it seems the Oppo is limied to 10/100 BaseT.

What is the best way to connect the Oppo? There seem to be many options and, since I'm new to the digital audio game, I'm not sure what the best options are:

1. I could connect the external hard drive to the PC (or Mac Mini if I decide to dedicate something tobeing a music server) and output via USB to the Oppo and use JRiver's (PC) remote software to control playback.

2. I could connect the Oppo to the router via ethernet (hardwired or wirelessly?) and then the Oppo can locate the music on the hard drive. Does this mean the hard drive would have to be a NAS set up on the same network the Oppo is connected to or would I connect the hard drive to the Oppo using USB?? At this point I believe I would need to use the Oppo menu system (on my TV) to locate and play music until they release a remote app, right?

From what I have learned so far, my plan is to use dbPoweramp to rip my CDs into FLAC format and store them on a large hard drive, then use JRiver to manage the library and download high res files from HDTracks, etc.

If someone has some recommendations on what computer hardware I need to make the best use of the 105, I would appreciate it.

What is the best type of hard drive and best connection methodology to the PC/Network/Oppo (NAS, Firewire, 1G Ethernet, USB)? Would somehting like this work:

http://www.synology.com/products/spec.php?product_name=DS411slim&lang=us#p_submenu

Does it need to be DNLA certified? Would having a DNLA wireless router like this be of any benefit?

http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Routers/Linksys-EA6500-App-Enabled-AC-Dual-Band-Wireless-Router-with-Gigabit_stcVVproductId148919965VVviewprod.htm

It seems like there is a lot of talk about upgrading PCs/Macs so that they provide superior low noise/jitter USB outputs to connect to outboard DACs. Does this come into play when using the Oppo's DAC? Would the low noise PC/Mac USB matter if I was using an outboard DAC connected to the Oppo via HDMI (I2S) with the Oppo acting as the music server?

I would appreciate any guidance!

Thanks

Sharp1080 11-17-2012 04:42 PM

Received my 105 this afternon hooked it up and made sure HDMI and XLR were connected and functioning properly into the Classe SSP-800. I quickly compared HDMI to XLR and noticed some small sonic differences. Both connections have a wide soundstage in my system! I was correct in my assumption that the Oppo could replace my Ayre CX-7e as a CD player. Using the same interconnects and power cable used on the Ayre unit. Too early to begin serious listening I will have more time tomorrow to play with the Oppo. This is my first Oppo player, very impressive build of the player.

Franchot 11-17-2012 05:44 PM

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Franchot:

Thanx so much for taking the time to review the headphone amp of the 105. It seems my fears about the power of the headphone amp have been realized and they can't increase the power w/o changing a capacitor somewhere on the 2Ch board. I can imagine modders charging $100 to change a cap:cool: !

- David

David,

I don't want to give the impression that the 105 (with its power that's available) isn't capable of driving the Audeze headphones. It can, however there's little gas left in the tank during the journey.

I did some listening today with some remastered rock CDs (which are almost always remastered to sound louder) and the 105 stayed at a volume of 85 and the results were very satisfying. I'm not sure how "quieter" or classical music will fare with this combo, however.

Depending upon your tastes, the 105 (as is) might work for you. You already know about the 30 day money back guarantee, I'm sure.

tngiloy 11-17-2012 05:54 PM

So I'm a little confused with all this 'analog' and 'dedicated' stuff. I mean, I know where the connections are and all. I'm just not sure what if any settings in the setup menu affect the dedicated xlr or rca outs??.

I plan to send the xlr outs to my processor for cd's and stereo sacd music and leave the bass management to the processor. I want the signal sent out unaltered in stereo. So what setting should I use?? Is the ' Down mix' setting just for multi channel sacd and dvd-a recordings??
If you set the 105 to 'FR/FL' would it only play those 2 channels of a multi-channel sacd??

Do any of the settings affect the dedicated analog out's??

I read the manual, but it really needs to have a clearer description for the dedicated stereo outs vs the multi-channel analog outs settings.
Maybe its just me. If so would someone please enlighten me.

Tom

Edit-- Ok I just re-read the note on pg 16 of the manual. Apparently none of the settings in the Audio setup menu affect the dedicated stereo analog outs. Is that correct??

vlach 11-17-2012 06:04 PM

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Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)


I assume this was using 2.0 stereo material correct? If so, and if there is indeed an improvement, it would be very interesting to compare the downmixed FL + FR outputs to the dedicated stereo outputs...

Brian-HD 11-17-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by darkphader View Post

Audio is behind the video. Even disc play is off but only by a bit, enough to be annoying as opposed to virtually unusable with ARC/Toslink feed. This is using the using the Stereo Outs w/stereo downmix directly driving the power amp.

This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.

Neuromancer 11-17-2012 06:36 PM

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So is there a SQ benefit to set the FL + FR channels to downmix for stereo 2.0 material? An earlier poster said he heard more fullness/body using the 95 that way...

There shouldn't be. What I was trying to point out is that if you wanted to attempt to "emulate" the performance of the dedicated stereo outputs of the BDP-105, you can use the Front Left and Right analog outputs of the BDP-95 and set the DownMix to stereo.

Neuromancer 11-17-2012 06:37 PM

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This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.

To be clear, when issues of Reverse A/V synch (audio and video synchronization errors were the audio is BEHIND the video) only apply to the HDMI inputs. Under most installations this issue will not be witnessed and there are obvious workarounds (ie. connecting back to the original configuration and waiting for a firmware release)

As far as standard A/V synch issues are concerned, they seem to be very specific to the customer's installation. As you have read in the BDP-103 threads not everyone is having audio and video synchronization errors, which includes OPPO themselves and many of the beta testers. therefore, it is very likely that the majority of OPPO's customers will not have issues, while a small (but important) minority will need to use Audio Delay's in their receivers or wait for a future firmware release.

Neuromancer 11-17-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I want the signal sent out unaltered in stereo. So what setting should I use?? Is the ' Down mix' setting just for multi channel sacd and dvd-a recordings??

The Stereo Signal Down-mix setting affects how the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs are treated. The Down-mix setting under Speaker Configuration only affects the multi-channel analog outputs.
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If you set the 105 to 'FR/FL' would it only play those 2 channels of a multi-channel sacd??

Yes. When set to Stereo Signal of Front Left/Right the player will only be outputting Total Left and Total Right. Any other channels will be lost.

The same will also be true with SACD set to DSD and you are playing a multi-channel only SACD.
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Do any of the settings affect the dedicated analog out's??

When Stereo Signal is set to Front Left/Right then the Speaker Configuration settings will affect the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs. If you have it set to Down-mixed Stereo then no other settings except for the SACD (Audio Processing) will affect these outputs.

Brian-HD 11-17-2012 06:48 PM

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No, this is NOT a known issue. What you are talking about as being "known issue" is audio and video synchronization errors were the audio is AHEAD of the video, not behind it. This reverse A/V sync is not a known issue.
And as far as the A/V synch issues are concerned, they are either universal (HDMI Inputs) or seem to be very specific to the customers installation. As you have read in the BDP-103 threads not everyone is having audio and video synchronization errors, which includes OPPO themselves and many of the beta testers.

After my discussion with Oppo's tech support on AV sync, I was told that It had been reported. What I do know that this issue is there with my 83se or with the 95.

wse 11-17-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If you are using the Front Left and Right outputs of the BDP-95 then you are using a non-stacked DAC configuration as these outputs are one DAC-channel per output-channel. DownMix has no affect on the stacking as this is a hardware, not software configuration.
On the BDP-95 when you are using the dedicated stereo or XLR outputs, regardless of the Stereo Signal (Audio Processing) setting, the player is using four DAC-channels per output-channel. These outputs are always DAC stacked.
On the BDP-105 you are getting one-DAC channel per output-channel regardless of the output, except for the headphone output, which is two DAC-channels per output-channel.

So the question remains does it sound better?

wse 11-17-2012 08:08 PM

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This is a known issue (and much more) and was reported to Oppo. I was very surprised that Oppo released a $1200.00 with current FW.

Surprising, they might be getting too big ;(

Torqdog 11-17-2012 10:28 PM

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So the question remains does it sound better?
You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could hear no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.

As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.

Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.

Bob Pariseau 11-17-2012 10:41 PM

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Actually, after more time with the unit, it seems with a disc that the audio may be slightly ahead of the video - it's off but so close it's hard to tell (not like using mplayer on a pc and being able to adjust the delay so you know exactly what's happening). However with ARC/Toslink the audio is clearly way behind the video.

Found another gotcha as well: was watching a DVD that went into screen saver mode which left a bright vertical line down the right side of the screen. Would certainly lead to image retention if not burn in.

The Screen Saver glitch with SD-DVD is a known issue in the 1018 firmware. That will be addressed in a firmware update. As a workaround, Pure Mode (Pure button on the upper left of the remote) is a way to blank the entire screen.

Audio ahead of video by a small amount for shiny disc playback matches my results with the 1018 firmware. Not everyone is seeing this.

Audio behind (external) video for the S/PDIF and ARC Digital Audio Inputs would be consistent with the known problem with HDMI Input audio, but I'm not set up to test that for audio input separate of video input (i.e., your precise configuration).

The Audio / Video sync issues are being worked on.
--Bob

wse 11-17-2012 11:00 PM

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Received my 105 this afternon hooked it up and made sure HDMI and XLR were connected and functioning properly into the Classe SSP-800. I quickly compared HDMI to XLR and noticed some small sonic differences. Both connections have a wide soundstage in my system! I was correct in my assumption that the Oppo could replace my Ayre CX-7e as a CD player. Using the same interconnects and power cable used on the Ayre unit. Too early to begin serious listening I will have more time tomorrow to play with the Oppo. This is my first Oppo player, very impressive build of the player.

I have an SSP-800 as well so I am curious about your findings! What speakers and amps do you have?

Sharp1080 11-17-2012 11:16 PM

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I have an SSP-800 as well so I am curious about your findings! What speakers and amps do you have?

Wilson speakers and Levinson amplifiers.

Sharp1080 11-17-2012 11:33 PM

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The Audio / Video sync issues are being worked on.
--Bob


That is good to know because I had a serious WTF moment a few hours ago when I put in the my first Blu Ray which was Watchmen. There was some serious lip synch issues happening with that movie. It was totally unwatchable. I also tried the new Star Trek movie and it appeared to be more in synch both the video and audio. Definitely not as bad as Watchmen. I have not tried any other discs besides those two.

vlach 11-17-2012 11:35 PM

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You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could here no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.
As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.
Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.


Thank you for spending the time to verify this. Your results make sense and your explanation seems perfectly logical to me.

audiofan1 11-18-2012 01:17 AM

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I assume this was using 2.0 stereo material correct? If so, and if there is indeed an improvement, it would be very interesting to compare the downmixed FL + FR outputs to the dedicated stereo outputs...

Indeed it was stereo but keep in mind that the FR/FL option when using the dedicated stereo outs for your main speakers( rca) keeps the quad stack for multi ch as well on your mains!

audiofan1 11-18-2012 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

You guys got me a wonderin so I spent a good three hours plus this evening dinkin around with my 95 and the downmix vs front left and right settings related to the dedicated stereo outs. I played numerous CDs through my equipment which consists of a Parasound halo pre-pro and halo amplifier fed to PSB speakers, I could hear no difference what-so-ever. As is usually the case.......YMMV.
As I understand it, the function of the "downmix" option is to allow one to play a multi-channel format and have it downmixed to stereo which allows those with a 2 channel setup to still be able to hear all the channels from a multichannel source. Logic would dictate that if you are playing 2 channel media, it wouldn't make any difference whether you set the player to "downmix" or FL/FR stereo because the source is 2 channel so there's really nothing to downmix.
Please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken.

Correct!

erwinfrombelgium 11-18-2012 01:36 AM

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So I ordered a 105 a couple of days ago and I need some recommendations on how to handle digital audio from my PC Laptop. I don't know much about networks and servers but I want to use a large (2 Terabit) external drive to keep my music library on.

What is the best way to connect the Oppo? There seem to be many options and, since I'm new to the digital audio game, I'm not sure what the best options are:
1. I could connect the external hard drive to the PC (or Mac Mini if I decide to dedicate something tobeing a music server) and output via USB to the Oppo and use JRiver's (PC) remote software to control playback.
2. I could connect the Oppo to the router via ethernet (hardwired or wirelessly?) and then the Oppo can locate the music on the hard drive. Does this mean the hard drive would have to be a NAS set up on the same network the

This to much OT to discuss all your questions. The specialists are on computeraudiophile.com:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/section/ca-academy-2/

A few things though.
Rule number one: provide back-up. It's not the question if the HD will ever fail, but when. Been there. Sucks, even if I lost only a month worth of downloads and rips.
It's up to you to decide between Apple and PC. This choice will determine all the rest. I have a Mac mini with monitor and 3TB Iomega HD connected with USB. Then the Weiss DAC2 is connected via FireWire and without preamp straight to two Emotiva XPA-1 powering a pair of Jamo 909. I'd say a PC system will probably be more straightforward to setup with the BDP105 if you decide to use a NAS.

JonStatt 11-18-2012 01:55 AM

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Correct!

I am confused. You agreed with Torqdog's findings which I also knew to be the case, but earlier you said
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"Do you guys use the 95's FL/FR option in the audio setup? if so set it to downmix and there will be more detail and tighter bass, If you guys would check this out that would be great:)"

Could you explain again in more detail exactly what you meant by this?

On a separate but related note. There is no quad-stacking of the DACs anymore with the 105. Therefore if you find the dedicated stereo pair sound better than the multichannel front L/R, it must be related to other optimisations with the signal path/layout or surrounding components. I think the op-amps are the same, but I am not sure if anyone noted any other differences such as capacitor choices etc that may mean one should sound better than the other. Conversely one would wonder what the point of the dedicated stereo outs are if it sounds exactly the same as the Front L/R anyway!

On the 95 I always used the dedicated stereo outputs in place of the front L/R

ThousandThrills 11-18-2012 05:18 AM

I am also confused here.....you'll probably laugh at me but I read last night a complete review of the Panasonic 500 on a french site and the guy said the sound was even better than the Oppo 93...and the 95 in some points.......I know there are more options with the Oppo, I cancelled my 103 order to get more with the 105 but is it really worth 1200$ or should I just get the 103 if the difference doesn't seem that big to some? The Panny can't play SACD and DVD-Audio so I don't think I will get it but I would get it if I had only cd's to play I think....the guy was that surprised by it...and it's on sale for 276$ at BH...really confused....I got a VSX-33 so there's headphone input there, don't know if it will be that much better on the 105...sorry for the confusion, I just don't know if it's a big improvement on the sound...
I would post on the anticipation thread if this is not the right place...

tngiloy 11-18-2012 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The Stereo Signal Down-mix setting affects how the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs are treated. The Down-mix setting under Speaker Configuration only affects the multi-channel analog outputs.
Yes. When set to Stereo Signal of Front Left/Right the player will only be outputting Total Left and Total Right. Any other channels will be lost.
The same will also be true with SACD set to DSD and you are playing a multi-channel only SACD.
When Stereo Signal is set to Front Left/Right then the Speaker Configuration settings will affect the dedicated stereo and XLR outputs. If you have it set to Down-mixed Stereo then no other settings except for the SACD (Audio Processing) will affect these outputs.

Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

Tom

wse 11-18-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Wilson speakers and Levinson amplifiers.

Yes very nice smile.gif

Roger Mathus 11-18-2012 08:18 AM

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That is good to know because I had a serious WTF moment a few hours ago when I put in the my first Blu Ray which was Watchmen. There was some serious lip synch issues happening with that movie. It was totally unwatchable. I also tried the new Star Trek movie and it appeared to be more in synch both the video and audio. Definitely not as bad as Watchmen. I have not tried any other discs besides those two.

With my 103 I had one disc with serious lip sync (don't remember the disc name) . I ejected the disc and re-loaded and then did not experience lip sync issues. Seems strange.

Sharp1080 11-18-2012 09:22 AM

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With my 103 I had one disc with serious lip sync (don't remember the disc name) . I ejected the disc and re-loaded and then did not experience lip sync issues. Seems strange.

That's good to know thank you Roger. I'll try the disc again. I will also do some serious viewing and listening tonight.

ehlarson 11-18-2012 09:36 AM

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That is good to know because I had a serious WTF moment a few hours ago when I put in the my first Blu Ray which was Watchmen. There was some serious lip synch issues happening with that movie. It was totally unwatchable. I also tried the new Star Trek movie and it appeared to be more in synch both the video and audio. Definitely not as bad as Watchmen. I have not tried any other discs besides those two.

I've watched my copy of the Director's cut of Watchmen on the 105 and didn't have a problem with it. It's possible there was a slight loss of sync which I wouldn't see because my TV has a bit of video delay that I correct for in my AVR, so I can't say my sync is perfect, but if there was a problem it was not obvious.

bakerwi 11-18-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

When compared 83se and 95, I was unable to get your result. i really tried to discern if there was an improvement.

Brian,

This is why we have to audition these things ourself. Two guys (make that 3) with the same two transports two different opinions. I thought the BDP-95 was an improvement over the 83SE and it was enough to allow me to sell the 83SE. There are other features of the BDP-105 that I like and I just need for the audio not to be a step back and early OPINIONS is that it is not, but I'll no more once I unbox my BDP-105 later this evenings.smile.gif

bakerwi 11-18-2012 11:24 AM

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Hmm...I haven't tried this yet, but to make sure I am clear. You are playing "stereo" music and are finding a difference on the dedicated stereo outputs if they are set to downmix vs Front L/R?? If so there is something wrong (firmware) that needs to be fixed. There should be absolutely no difference with that setting for the dedicated stereo output when listening to stereo music. If you have a crossover set and speakers set to small I am guessing that may influence things. In my case though all speakers are set to large, all at default output level and default distance. Therefore there should be absolutely no difference....

Jon,

I wondered the same thing.confused.gif Down mixing stereo to stereo.biggrin.gif

Torqdog 11-18-2012 11:36 AM

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Brian,

This is why we have to audition these things ourself. Two guys (make that 3) with the same two transports two different opinions. I thought the BDP-95 was an improvement over the 83SE and it was enough to allow me to sell the 83SE. There are other features of the BDP-105 that I like and I just need for the audio not to be a step back and early OPINIONS is that it is not, but I'll no more once I unbox my BDP-105 later this evenings.smile.gif
Looking forward to seeing your first impressions sonically speaking posted here.


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