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post #61 of 3730 Old 01-14-2014, 07:19 PM
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Also in the Sony US online store, all the x100 models are on sale. Unfortunately no S790.
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7200 was sony flagship while 6100 is 5100 replacement with 4K upscale.
Any other differences?
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7200 was sony flagship while 6100 is 5100 replacement with 4K upscale.
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Yes, you are quite right and this wasn't evident earlier, but there does appear to be a Sony BDP-S7200. Unfortunately this maybe Japan only:

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By a high-speed start-up ※ 17 of less than one second, announced the all six models as a model to provide a comfortable operation. In the model of Wi-Fi built-in, the ability to enjoy in conjunction with mobile devices also evolved. Utsushidaseru to the big screen on the TV screen of mobile devices Miracast ™ compliant and respond to new screen mirroring function. Of top models "BDP-S7200", "BDP-S6200" is equipped with the ability to upscale to 4K resolution photos of low resolution video and BD functions and to improve the image quality, including the Internet video.
※ 17: If you measure the time is set to the high-speed start-up mode, to become operational after the power is turned.

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I wonder how FLAC support is going to be on these models.

Gapless and embedded album art, or same ol support?

Eargerly waiting, but I don't hold much hope....

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Yes, you are quite right and this wasn't evident earlier, but there does appear to be a Sony BDP-S7200. Unfortunately this maybe Japan only:

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Blu-ray Disc (BD) player
By a high-speed start-up ※ 17 of less than one second, announced the all six models as a model to provide a comfortable operation. In the model of Wi-Fi built-in, the ability to enjoy in conjunction with mobile devices also evolved. Utsushidaseru to the big screen on the TV screen of mobile devices Miracast ™ compliant and respond to new screen mirroring function. Of top models "BDP-S7200", "BDP-S6200" is equipped with the ability to upscale to 4K resolution photos of low resolution video and BD functions and to improve the image quality, including the Internet video.
※ 17: If you measure the time is set to the high-speed start-up mode, to become operational after the power is turned.

http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/201401/14-001/

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Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I was going to get the S6200.

I bought one of Sony's cheaper Blu-ray players (S590) in November '12 to use as a SACD player simply because it can bitstream DSD over HDMI (I don't see a need to pay for the DAC in an Oppo when I'm not going to use it).

While I'm very happy with the audio results, the player can be noisy when spinning some discs, and sometimes locks up and needs to be unplugged. I suppose this is the tradeoff of a $100 player.

So I'm hoping that the 6200 offers better performance in those areas.

As for use as a blu-ray video player, I feel like the only substantive difference between the S6200 and the 790 is the loss of the dual HDMI out for people who have 3D displays and A/V receivers that don't support 3D passthrough. I figure Sony realized that rather than accommodate legacy receivers, they should be pushing people to buy new ones. Even if I were to buy a 3D capable display, I'd probably never use it because I mostly rent Blu-rays from Netflx rather than buy, and as far as I'm aware, Netflix only has 2D Blu-rays.

The Amazon app on the S590 is terrible (Netflix is pretty good), so as others have noted, that really needs an upgrade.
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Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I was going to get the S6200.

I bought one of Sony's cheaper Blu-ray players (S590) in November '12 to use as a SACD player simply because it can bitstream DSD over HDMI (I don't see a need to pay for the DAC in an Oppo when I'm not going to use it).

While I'm very happy with the audio results, the player can be noisy when spinning some discs, and sometimes locks up and needs to be unplugged. I suppose this is the tradeoff of a $100 player.

So I'm hoping that the 6200 offers better performance in those areas.

As for use as a blu-ray video player, I feel like the only substantive difference between the S6200 and the 790 is the loss of the dual HDMI out for people who have 3D displays and A/V receivers that don't support 3D passthrough. I figure Sony realized that rather than accommodate legacy receivers, they should be pushing people to buy new ones. Even if I were to buy a 3D capable display, I'd probably never use it because I mostly rent Blu-rays from Netflx rather than buy, and as far as I'm aware, Netflix only has 2D Blu-rays.

The Amazon app on the S590 is terrible (Netflix is pretty good), so as others have noted, that really needs an upgrade.

Its SBM that's the disappointment. That capability really did wonders on lower resolution video.

The players should have the new Hulu+ app.
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I wonder if the player does the SBM and they've just dropped it from the marketing -- we'll need to see what the video settings options are when the manual is released.

Every two years Sony has some brand new A/V optimization technology that eventually becomes standard and no mention of it is ever made again.

I also tend to never use any of these features that claim to enhance A/V -- I always find that while they do improve the quality of some content, others they make worse. I just assume that content is authored with the belief that none of these augmentations will be applied.
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I also tend to never use any of these features that claim to enhance A/V -- I always find that while they do improve the quality of some content, others they make worse. I just assume that content is authored with the belief that none of these augmentations will be applied.


Although thats certainly true with high definition BDs, when it comes to lower resolution content (DVDs or streaming services) on a higher resolution display you do what you can to try and improve upon it. Thats one of the compelling features the higher end players offer above the lower tier models.
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Although thats certainly true with high definition BDs, when it comes to lower resolution content (DVDs or streaming services) on a higher resolution display you do what you can to try and improve upon it. Thats one of the compelling features the higher end players offer above the lower tier models.

Thanks. Good to know.

I don't think I've watched a DVD in two years, so I personally won't be missing much.
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Sony's site lists the 6200 as having SMBV (CREAS). Is that the super bit mapping that the 790 has?

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Sony's site lists the 6200 as having SMBV (CREAS). Is that the super bit mapping that the 790 has?

http://store.sony.com/sony-dual-core-blu-ray-disc-player-4k-upscaling-zid27-BDPS6200/cat-27-catid-All-Blu-ray-DVD-Players

Yes. CREAS chip provides the super bit mapping video capability. Well spotted. Ok, so is it only the additional HDMI port it's missing then ? It was never going to get analog outputs in 2014.
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I pre-ordered the 6200 from Sony's site. Says it will be shipped on the 27th.

No matter what this player has, it will be an improvement over my BDP-s350 (which has worked like a champ and is still chuggin' along). smile.gif

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Yes. CREAS chip provides the super bit mapping video capability. Well spotted. Ok, so is it only the additional HDMI port it's missing then ? It was never going to get analog outputs in 2014.

What's disappointing of dropping second HDMI port, is that those who don't have a second HDMI port on AVR will miss it for adding a second monitor for SA-CD playback use. The amount of information Sony players provide for that media format is unique to BD players.

Fortunately, most who use SA-CD will have AVR with dual HDMI outputs, I reckon.
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Dual outputs are needed on the player if you want to watch 3D movies and you have an older receiver which does not support 3D: one output carries audio to the AVR and the other carries 3D video to the TV or projector.

Unfortunately for the fans of 3D, it looks like there just aren't enough of them to support the market. According to the reports from CES, Vizio is not coming out with any new 3D TVs in 2014, and perhaps this is a sign that Sony won't be supporting it much longer, either. frown.gif

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I said it before and will say it again: 3D is dead. 4K is what everyone is gearing for.
Sony is very keen to cut costs to BD player in order to stay competitive. They are the first to remove in player Dolby (and now DTS) multi-channel decoding. First to cut all analog (both audio and video) outputs. So it is no surprise that dual HDMI ports feature get axed next.
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That's disappointing as I just pre-ordered my first 3D BD yesterday from Amazon. ("Gravity")
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Dual outputs are needed on the player if you want to watch 3D movies and you have an older receiver which does not support 3D: one output carries audio to the AVR and the other carries 3D video to the TV or projector.

Unfortunately for the fans of 3D, it looks like there just aren't enough of them to support the market. According to the reports from CES, Vizio is not coming out with any new 3D TVs in 2014, and perhaps this is a sign that Sony won't be supporting it much longer, either. frown.gif

Sony is still supporting 3D other wise their new BD players would not support 3D. The second HDMI port is really only needed for people who have old receivers that can't handle 3D. As time goes on, fewer people need it because they will have upgraded to newer receivers. I wouldn't take the omission of a second HDMI port as dropping any 3D support, just a way to save money. If they decide to drop 3D support the player just won't support it.

IN my use I use a video processor which has two A/V HDMI outputs and one audio only HDMI output. SInce I have an old Denon 3808 that only has HDMI 1.3 and can't handle 3D, I use my video processor audio HDMI port to my receiver and don't route any audio though my receiver.

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And don't forget that they're advertising a dual-output BDP-S7200 in Japan and Europe, just not (yet) in the U.S. Maybe if enough people let them know it's wanted here, that'll change.

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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/10102-Sony-BDP-S7200.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsony%2Bbdp-s7200%26biw%3D1056%26bih%3D780
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And don't forget that they're advertising a dual-output BDP-S7200 in Japan and Europe, just not (yet) in the U.S. Maybe if enough people let them know it's wanted here, that'll change.

See
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/10102-Sony-BDP-S7200.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsony%2Bbdp-s7200%26biw%3D1056%26bih%3D780
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I didn't see any mention of dual HDMI outputs on any of the copy.
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Neither did I: it's a presumption on my part. Of course, this is all pre-release info. We won't know for sure until they actually start shipping.

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What's disappointing of dropping second HDMI port, is that those who don't have a second HDMI port on AVR will miss it for adding a second monitor for SA-CD playback use. The amount of information Sony players provide for that media format is unique to BD players.

Fortunately, most who use SA-CD will have AVR with dual HDMI outputs, I reckon.

Huh?

I've never felt the need to have a display on when playing back a SACD.

You're the first SA-CD users I've heard who uses the dual HDMI output for that purpose -- as others have noted, it's there for A/V receivers that cannot pass through 3D.
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Sony is still supporting 3D other wise their new BD players would not support 3D. The second HDMI port is really only needed for people who have old receivers that can't handle 3D. As time goes on, fewer people need it because they will have upgraded to newer receivers. I wouldn't take the omission of a second HDMI port as dropping any 3D support, just a way to save money. If they decide to drop 3D support the player just won't support it.

IN my use I use a video processor which has two A/V HDMI outputs and one audio only HDMI output. SInce I have an old Denon 3808 that only has HDMI 1.3 and can't handle 3D, I use my video processor audio HDMI port to my receiver and don't route any audio though my receiver.

I'd argue that the A/V industry has long hindered the acceptance of new technology by trying to make every piece of hardware backwards compatible. It's amazing how long they've continued to service people who cling to analog outputs (no offense to anyone here).

For example, by removing optical drives from its computers, Apple is helping to speed up the acceptance of buying software via download (as opposed to buying it on CD/DVD). Of course they have selfish reasons for doing this -- driving traffic to the app store -- but there are a lot of people who never buy software this way unless forced because they refuse to believe that if your hard drive gets wiped, you can redownload purchased programs.
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there are a lot of people who never buy software this way unless forced because they refuse to believe that if your hard drive gets wiped, you can redownload purchased programs.

If the app is removed from the store for some reason, you will not be able to download again. So, the fears are real. Nothing beats a physical media on your hand.
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What's disappointing of dropping second HDMI port, is that those who don't have a second HDMI port on AVR will miss it for adding a second monitor for SA-CD playback use. The amount of information Sony players provide for that media format is unique to BD players.

Fortunately, most who use SA-CD will have AVR with dual HDMI outputs, I reckon.

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Huh?

I've never felt the need to have a display on when playing back a SACD.

You're the first SA-CD users I've heard who uses the dual HDMI output for that purpose -- as others have noted, it's there for A/V receivers that cannot pass through 3D.

Then you're missing out on a lot of useful information as provided by BDP for SA-CD.

I originally had the BDP-S770, then upgraded to S790 in late 2012. The most annoying thing of them both is the missing front panel track number.

The solution then is to consistently use the information provided by the player, which includes track number as well as other comprehensive information. That way, you aren't continually wondering what part of the title is playing if you're not familiar of the contents of it.

That said, My AVR (Denon AVR-3313) has dual HDMI ports, and I have primary and secondary monitors connected to both. Reason for this is that primary monitor is inappropriate for use for this mundane but important function, so secondary provides SA-CD track information, instead.

Point of original post is that for those who don't have dual HDMI ports on AVR, could use dual HDMI outputs on BDP for this purpose. I was simply pointing out another usage of those ports instead of the bog-standard usage.
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If the app is removed from the store for some reason, you will not be able to download again. So, the fears are real. Nothing beats a physical media on your hand.

For me, for PC software I either lose the disc or break it. I can't remember the last time I used software from a retail disc on a PC. I download everything. I know if I have several copies of it locally I won't lose it. With a disc that will not be the case. It is more secure on my hard drives than on a slow optical disc.

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Then you're missing out on a lot of useful information as provided by BDP for SA-CD.

I originally had the BDP-S770, then upgraded to S790 in late 2012. The most annoying thing of them both is the missing front panel track number.

The solution then is to consistently use the information provided by the player, which includes track number as well as other comprehensive information. That way, you aren't continually wondering what part of the title is playing if you're not familiar of the contents of it.

That said, My AVR (Denon AVR-3313) has dual HDMI ports, and I have primary and secondary monitors connected to both. Reason for this is that primary monitor is inappropriate for use for this mundane but important function, so secondary provides SA-CD track information, instead.

Point of original post is that for those who don't have dual HDMI ports on AVR, could use dual HDMI outputs on BDP for this purpose. I was simply pointing out another usage of those ports instead of the bog-standard usage.

Still dual output setups is the minority. Most people will not use that feature. And it adds more expense to the player.

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If the app is removed from the store for some reason, you will not be able to download again. So, the fears are real. Nothing beats a physical media on your hand.

And how often that does really happen, especially with any major piece of software, like any of the popular video games, or a program by companies like Adobe?

And if you backup your hard drive, then you're covered.

My parents refused to buy e-books for years because of this insane fear of "what happens to my books if Amazon goes out of business?" They've finally accepted that Amazon isn't likely to go bust anytime soon, and now feel like fools for waiting so long to get on the e-book bandwagon.
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Then you're missing out on a lot of useful information as provided by BDP for SA-CD.

I originally had the BDP-S770, then upgraded to S790 in late 2012. The most annoying thing of them both is the missing front panel track number.

The solution then is to consistently use the information provided by the player, which includes track number as well as other comprehensive information. That way, you aren't continually wondering what part of the title is playing if you're not familiar of the contents of it.

That said, My AVR (Denon AVR-3313) has dual HDMI ports, and I have primary and secondary monitors connected to both. Reason for this is that primary monitor is inappropriate for use for this mundane but important function, so secondary provides SA-CD track information, instead.

Call me old fashioned, but I put a disc in the player, sit back, and listen to the music.

I know what disc I insert into the player, so it's not like there is this great mystery of what's playing.
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And how often that does really happen, especially with any major piece of software, like any of the popular video games, or a program by companies like Adobe?

It happened more often that you thought on various app stores. It could be pulled due to legal reasons or the company simply want to force you upgrade to newer version etc. The point is with physical media, you know you can always go back to the disc. With downloads, there is no guarantees even if you made a complete backup. We often upgrade computers. With the new PC, your old backup is useless.
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