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There are going to be tons of movies and shows never released again on disc after DVD. If you want to really own those movies or shows, DVDs is the best you'll get. Same with BD and UBD, honestly.

And yeah, a good upscaling player makes them look pretty darn good in my opinion.
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I'm debating between the 5500 and 6500. I don't care about any web features and my Denon 4520 does 4K upscaling.

1) Is there any PQ or AQ benefit of the 6500 over a 5500?

2) Are either really better than a PS3 for PQ?

3) Will either do 1.5x FF with audio? (I like to speed through Special Features)

4) Should I just get a PS4 or a cheap used S5200 instead?

(I have a PS3 but am buying one for 3D + TrueHD support)

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(I have a PS3 but am buying one for 3D + TrueHD support)
The PS3 has been able to do that for years.
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(I have a PS3 but am buying one for 3D + TrueHD support)
The PS3 has been able to do that for years.
False. PS3 during 3D playback, TrueHD drops back to lossy. (3D+DTS-HD works, but not 3D + Dolby TrueHD)
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Has anyone tried playing an SACD in the 6500?
Will the 6500 Decode DSD? Bitstream DSD via HDMI?
I don't trust Sony's site for Specs.
Can it play DVD-Audio discs?
Been looking for an SACD capable BD player ever since my OPPO BDP-83 died.
Was hoping OPPO would release a 4k player. Guess I'll wait.
My old PS3 60FAT plays SACDs.
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Has anyone tried playing an SACD in the 6500?
Will the 6500 Decode DSD? Bitstream DSD via HDMI?
I don't trust Sony's site for Specs.
Can it play DVD-Audio discs?
Been looking for an SACD capable BD player ever since my OPPO BDP-83 died.
Was hoping OPPO would release a 4k player. Guess I'll wait.
My old PS3 60FAT plays SACDs.
I don't think Sonys have ever handled DVD-A discs. I haven't gotten around to trying any of my SACDs in my S6500. If it's like my s6200 and s5100 the protection kicks in and won't allow the audio through my video processor. So I will have my old s6200 connected directly to my receiver for SACD playback. Which will take the place of my s5100.
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Has anyone tried playing an SACD in the 6500?
Will the 6500 Decode DSD? Bitstream DSD via HDMI?
I don't trust Sony's site for Specs.
Can it play DVD-Audio discs?
Been looking for an SACD capable BD player ever since my OPPO BDP-83 died.
Was hoping OPPO would release a 4k player. Guess I'll wait.
My old PS3 60FAT plays SACDs.
SACD works fine. Not pretty, but it's not a visual experience. Yes, DSD same as previous models with regards to SACD. It also does a better job on high bit rate .flac and .wav 5.1 from DNLA. I get about 7.7Mbps and 13.9Mbps respectively.
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False. PS3 during 3D playback, TrueHD drops back to lossy. (3D+DTS-HD works, but not 3D + Dolby TrueHD)
Yes that was one of the disadvantages of using the ps3 with 3D content. Dts-HD MA content also used to be put out as lossy dts. But Sony fixed that at some point. No idea why Sony never corrected the dd issue with 3D content.
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There are going to be tons of movies and shows never released again on disc after DVD. If you want to really own those movies or shows, DVDs is the best you'll get. Same with BD and UBD, honestly.

And yeah, a good upscaling player makes them look pretty darn good in my opinion.
Digital streaming will be the best you get. Many titles on DVD but not on bd are available in HD from streaming. And the HD stream will typically be better than what is on the dvd.
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Thanks guys.
I will p/u an s6500 to replace my current 3D BD player.
SACD playback is icing on the cake.
The ps3 fat makes way too much noise to listen to music.
BD HD Audio decoding is not an issue. I Bitstream those.
Plus I have many hi-res audio files it will play via USB.

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Digital streaming will be the best you get. Many titles on DVD but not on bd are available in HD from streaming. And the HD stream will typically be better than what is on the dvd.
The biggest problem I have with streaming is audio quality. It is quite noticeable when watching a cable broadcast in HD and I decide to put in even a DVD and the sound is noticeably superior, including the LFE.

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The biggest problem I have with streaming is audio quality. It is quite noticeable when watching a cable broadcast in HD and I decide to put in even a DVD and the sound is noticeably superior, including the LFE.
That really depends on the mix. I get some deep bass from some tv content that gets everything shaking sometimes with my SVS subwoofer.
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I have heard some punchy bass with DD+(streaming) and DD (HDTV). It does not seem as dynamic as lossless, but still quite punchy.

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PQ comparison between S5500, S6500, PS3 & PS4?
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PQ comparison between S5500, S6500, PS3 & PS4?
I compared my s6500 with my Roamio Pro for Orange is the New Black Season 3. With the IP Noise Reduction Pro enabled on the s6500, the S6500 easily gave the better picture. I could not watch it on my TiVo or Roku in the same room since the S6500 cleaned up the noise. Then after being run through a Darbee Darblet it really looked great.

The S6500 was reminiscent of when I used an Algolith Flea with my Broadcast sources. It also cleaned up a lot of the noise. But it was limited to at most 1080P24, so I removed it from my setup after getting a Roamio Pro in 2013.

My S6500 is now my go to box for viewing Netflix content.

From previous experience I know the PS3, PS4, Xbox One or 360 is not going to be any bether than what I get from my TiVos. My Roku would be further down on the list. The only advantage my Roku3 has is the quick startup of Netflix.

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I have a Darbee too. Seems like you do a lot of streaming. I do a bit, but really want it for a Blu-ray player primarily. Any thoughts on Blu-ray comparison?

Does the IP Noise Reduction actually yield a positive result worth the extra cost?

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BDP-S3500 Sony Blu-ray player

I am absolutely so impressed with this gem of a player. I was a Oppo fan but not so much any more. This player passed every test pattern I threw at it. The load times are merely seconds. The audio is superb. I have zero complaints about this player. For the amount of money it cost me. I'll never buy another "high end" player.
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Stupid question - anyone know where to find the 6500 in Canada? Best buy only has the 5500 and Sony Canada only shows the x200 series.
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I have a Darbee too. Seems like you do a lot of streaming. I do a bit, but really want it for a Blu-ray player primarily. Any thoughts on Blu-ray comparison?

Does the IP Noise Reduction actually yield a positive result worth the extra cost?
IP Noise reduction is not used with BD play back from my understanding. And I would not want to use it on BDs.

For 2D and 3D BD playback my S6500's have worked great. But that was expected since my S6200's and S5100's also worked great as well with BD playback.

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I've looked at IP NR on other Sony players and found it to do more harm than good. I highly doubt it's much different on these new players. Unless you have really terrible streaming speeds, why would you need NR on Netflix anyway?
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I've looked at IP NR on other Sony players and found it to do more harm than good. I highly doubt it's much different on these new players. Unless you have really terrible streaming speeds, why would you need NR on Netflix anyway?
For the same reason it's needed on some other sources, excessive noise either intentional or unintentional.

As long as it's not set at an agressive level, it can really improve the look of certain content by cleaning it up.

I really miss using my algolith Flea with my Broadcast sources. I used to have it set at or near it's lowest level and it did a great job of just cleaning up the image slightly. IP NR Pro seems to have a similar effect with the streaming sources. No question that Orange is the New Black looked best from my Sony S6500 when compared tomy other sources. And it was strictly because of the cleaner image that the Darbee Darblets had to work with.

And again as long as the Noise reduction is not at an agressive level, it can do a great job.

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But I don't see any IP noise in my Netflix feeds to begin with. What is there to clean up? If I apply NR, I just get loss of detail and an artificial looking image.

If it works for you, great, but I prefer the image I get from Netflix.
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But I don't see any IP noise in my Netflix feeds to begin with. What is there to clean up? If I apply NR, I just get loss of detail and an artificial looking image.

If it works for you, great, but I prefer the image I get from Netflix.
That is why you need to use a low setting. So you don't get a loss of detail.

A little noise reduction combined with the Darbee processing provides a superb image. Of course it also depends on the content. Some content won't work well doing this. But with most there will be a noticeable improvement.

Again this is only streaming or broadcast content I'm talking about. Orange is the New Black or House of Cards on BD is miles better than what is streamed. There is a gigantic difference between how these shows look on the Blu-ray Disc and how they look streamed. Sure they look good streamed but then when you watch the BDs, you see how much the Netflix streaming is really lacking.

Especially with detail.
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BDP-S6500 Dolby Atmos and bitstreaming?

I have a problem that I can not seem to figure out. I purchased the BDP-S6500 over the weekend. I cannot get Dolby Atmos or really bitstreaming in general to work with this player. I know it is NOT my receiver. I can play the exact title through my PS3 and get the Dolby Atmos stream to play through my Onkyo TX-NR3030. With the Sony BDP-S6500 in the setup audio section, it lists only PCM and I think it's Default (I'm at work); I do not have bitstream or anything like that as an option. During the movie playback (Unbroken and Transformers Revenge of the Fallen), my receiver does not list the DTS True HD or Dolby HD as bitstream. My receiver picks Dolby Surround as the best audio (which is simulated Atmos). Any idea what is going on with my player? If I can't resolve the issue, it's going back. However if I can get this working, the player seems great - it looks great with upscaled 4K on my JVC 4910 projector.

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But I don't see any IP noise in my Netflix feeds to begin with. What is there to clean up? If I apply NR, I just get loss of detail and an artificial looking image.

If it works for you, great, but I prefer the image I get from Netflix.
I was skeptical, too, which is why I did not try the IP Content NR Pro at first. When I eventually got around to it I was surprised by its modest but worthwhile improvement in picture quality.

Usually noise reduction blurs the image when it reduces video noise. What I was not expecting was an increase in detail when the NR Pro was activated. Whether streaming SD or HD from Netflix and Hulu, the picture was cleaner and, somehow, more detailed. When I played back the same scenes without the NR Pro engaged the picture looked blurry in comparison. Yet even at maximum (choices are 1,2,3) there were no side-effects visible. I soon found I did not want to watch Netflix or Hulu without the NR Pro.

The IP Content NR Pro is unlike any other video process I have ever come across before--it adds detail without any detrimental effects such as shimmering or edge enhancement. The result is a picture that looks natural (not artificial) and, in short, better overall.
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I have a problem that I can not seem to figure out. I purchased the BDP-S6500 over the weekend. I cannot get Dolby Atmos or really bitstreaming in general to work with this player. I know it is NOT my receiver. I can play the exact title through my PS3 and get the Dolby Atmos stream to play through my Onkyo TX-NR3030. With the Sony BDP-S6500 in the setup audio section, it lists only PCM and I think it's Default (I'm at work); I do not have bitstream or anything like that as an option. During the movie playback (Unbroken and Transformers Revenge of the Fallen), my receiver does not list the DTS True HD or Dolby HD as bitstream. My receiver picks Dolby Surround as the best audio (which is simulated Atmos). Any idea what is going on with my player? If I can't resolve the issue, it's going back. However if I can get this working, the player seems great - it looks great with upscaled 4K on my JVC 4910 projector.

Thanks for any help.
It definitely should work. I had rented the Jupiter Ascending 3D BD and watched some of it. And apparently the Dolby True HD 7.1 track has Atmos. And it was playing back fine for the little bit that I watched from it. I plan to watch the entire 3D BD tonight.

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Thanks guys. I'll try it when I get home from work. I knew it should be there. But wasn't sure what I was doing or what settings were wrong.
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