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If I have a js9000, I'll have no issues using this blu ray player correct?
I have the same question, about the JS8500 I own.

I believe we're ready to go with this 4K player, since our TVs are both Samsung, and 2015 models.

But - could one of the experts here weigh in?

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I will "go out on a ledge here" and say that this $399 price will have to fall VERY quickly if they want to sell these players in numbers
At $399..its a niche product
The same comment comes up every time and my response is the same. Prices will fall, they always do, how fast that happens won't really effect the sales. It's not like someone who wants an Ultra HD Blu-ray player for $99 is going to say no unless it's within three years.

$399 is a very competitive price for the first model. As others have said, Blu-ray players were $1000+ to start with, now that's a niche product! Of course $399 isn't peanuts either but new products are always priced for the earlier adopters, the people who are willing to pay a premium for the latest thing. Over time the price will fall as the number of people willing to pay the launch price shrinks and manufactures need to sustain demand. As always it'll come down to a choice of whether any saving is worth waiting for. Is it worth waiting a year for a $349 player or two years for a $299 player? Most enthusiasts would rather pay $100 so they can have a years head start.
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The same comment comes up every time and my response is the same. Prices will fall, they always do, how fast that happens won't really effect the sales. It's not like someone who wants an Ultra HD Blu-ray player for $99 is going to say no unless it's within three years.

$399 is a very competitive price for the first model. As others have said, Blu-ray players were $1000+ to start with, now that's a niche product! Of course $399 isn't peanuts either but new products are always priced for the earlier adopters, the people who are willing to pay a premium for the latest thing. Over time the price will fall as the number of people willing to pay the launch price shrinks and manufactures need to sustain demand. As always it'll come down to a choice of whether any saving is worth waiting for. Is it worth waiting a year for a $349 player or two years for a $299 player? Most enthusiasts would rather pay $100 so they can have a years head start.
Not the same market as the $1000 days

back then do you recall units sitting on shelves unsold at 75% off MSRP...like they are today?

I dont disagree that the early adopters wont snag this for $399
My point is..if they want to sell this to the masses to go along with the glut of UHD Tv's that get cheaper by the month...the price is going to have to fall drastically
I am betting this price falls as fast and quick as the prices have on UHD Tv's
...and if the chinese get a player in US market place, like they have their UHD TV's...then that will be even more game changing
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I would not expect them to fall quickly. BDP-7200 Sony still sits at $200 (2 years old) and Samsungs 7500 (4/15) is $220...

manufacturers are better at giving the product to dealers that will hold the pricing they want. One reason Panasonic stopped selling at HH Gregg for awhile.

Add in that the Samsung will be the ONLY game in town for months.
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Just a quick note. This is an entry level U-Ray player and most likely does not support DolbyVision HDR. Also, that curve is silly, but on the bright side it is only $399 for sort of newish tech.
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I owned the Samsung BDP-1000 or whatever it was called. Big and buggy brick, and it cost me like $900. Ended up with a PS3 for awhile.
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It will support HDR10, and thats all mine will do anyways!

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I have to ask what the source is for UltraHD Blu-rays being region free. The BDA have been very quiet so far on the hard details such as this and I can't find any source from the BDA or one of their members that states this'll be region free. Are Crutchfield just printing rumour as fact or have Samsung told them directly?

Secondly, the page claims that this is the worlds first Ultra HD Blu-ray player, which is a claim other websites have made but is incorrect. It's the first available outside Japan but this mistake makes me question the accuracy of the region free claim.
The region-free claim has been reported by numerous reliable sources for at least a year. But the player's manual is frustratingly vague on the topic -- just the typical boilerplate about region coding. We've asked our usual contacts at Samsung about it, but they're all out at CES, so we may not receive confirmation for a few days. We've removed the claim until we hear back.

Good point about "world's first." We dialed that back a bit.

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Not the same market as the $1000 days

back then do you recall units sitting on shelves unsold at 75% off MSRP...like they are today?

I dont disagree that the early adopters wont snag this for $399
My point is..if they want to sell this to the masses to go along with the glut of UHD Tv's that get cheaper by the month...the price is going to have to fall drastically
I am betting this price falls as fast and quick as the prices have on UHD Tv's
...and if the chinese get a player in US market place, like they have their UHD TV's...then that will be even more game changing
Dont under estimate the power of retailers like Walmart to change the market place if they can get units from China in stores from the likes Hisense, Seiki,Chahong etc

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The masses are embracing streaming. 4K streaming has already taken hold and will only keep going up. 4K disc sales will most likely stay as a niche area. Although I have three 4K BD titles on pre-order. But I have not ordered the Samsung UHD BD player yet.

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The masses are embracing streaming. 4K streaming has already taken hold and will only keep going up. 4K disc sales will most likely stay as a niche area.
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If I have a js9000, I'll have no issues using this blu ray player correct?
I have the same question, about the JS8500 I own.

I believe we're ready to go with this 4K player, since our TVs are both Samsung, and 2015 models.

But - could one of the experts here weigh in?

Thanks!
I'm thinking the same thing. But I would like to know before I pre order!
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The region-free claim has been reported by numerous reliable sources for at least a year. But the player's manual is frustratingly vague on the topic -- just the typical boilerplate about region coding. We've asked our usual contacts at Samsung about it, but they're all out at CES, so we may not receive confirmation for a few days. We've removed the claim until we hear back.

Good point about "world's first." We dialed that back a bit.

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UHD will be region-free: standard BD and DVD region-coding still applies (unfortunately). Now that it's obvious Samsung will be first-to-market (in the US) with a UHD player, I expect them to sell well (I'll probably be pre-ordering soon enough).

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Add in that the Samsung will be the ONLY game in town for months.
That was a VERY smart move on Samsung's part. Amazing that Sony and others haven't tried harder to be first to market. With as big of a deal as everybody made about UHD/HDR at last year's CES, I'm kind of dissapointed about the lack of expected announcements. Good job, Samsung. I may not like that curved design, but looks like I'm in for one seeing as it's going to be the ONLY option for some time. Pair it up with a 9000+ series Samsung, an LG OLED, or that new Sony X for a very good time.
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Samsung UBD-K8500 4K HDR Ultra HD Blu-Ray Player-

So two players this year. A cheap lookibg Samsung and a expensive Panasonic, great.

Where the hell are Sony, LG, Philips, Denon, Marantz and otheers thinking?! They are giving the new market away.
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So two players this year. A cheap lookibg Samsung and a expensive Panasonic, great.

Where the hell are Sony, LG, Philips, Denon, Marantz and otheers thinking?! They are giving the new market away.
Well, Sonys look cheap now. Panasonic will look great, but still feel cheap. Phillips has announced Spring so you missed that, and if you really want a "nice" you should have Oppo in the Fall.

D&M players are over priced (Buy an Oppo). My 0.02 as an owner...

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But I suspect 2017 before we see something from Oppo...
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But I suspect 2017 before we see something from Oppo...
I disagree, but we shall see come Oct/Nov '16
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Pre-ordered. March 2016 ship date direct from the Samsung site (where I had a credit.)

$400 is on the high side, but what isn't expensive in our specialized world?

I also pre-ordered the Oculus Rift today for $600, but hey, I'm in my prime earning years

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Samsung UBD-K8500 4K HDR Ultra HD Blu-Ray Player-

No H265 / HEVC support in the specs. Isn't that weird?
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A couple of reports from CES stated HEVC, 2.0a, etc... on board.

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Page 59 of the manual shows those as supported in the appendix section.
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Page 59 of the manual shows those as supported in the appendix section.
As well as VP9.
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not sure if this question has been answered but will the Samsung player work on a Sony tv?
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agreed

another reason why ..IMO...they will not move this player to much more than niche buyers at its $399 price

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Well this player could dent the Roku 4/ Fire TV sales as well. One advantage to using an external source for streaming is the ability to get DD+ content (particularly Atmos and presumably DTS:X) which can't be provided by a TVs on-board app due to ARC/Optical limitations. So if someone is considering a Roku4 for that reason, you now have a UHD BD player that would give you that as well so why not just one box which "effectively" drops the price by $100 to $150 since you wouldn't need to buy the Roku. Obviously the big question is if Samsung will have all of the streaming services on board.

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not sure if this question has been answered but will the Samsung player work on a Sony tv?
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not sure if this question has been answered but will the Samsung player work on a Sony tv?
Yes. It is not proprietary.
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not sure if this question has been answered but will the Samsung player work on a Sony TV?

Of course it will. Just won't be able to use the interactivity functions that exist when using a Samsung TV/Player in combo.

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Oh nice. Thank you for letting me know. Going to preorder today!!
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I had the Samsung BDP-1000 too. It wasn't a great player, but I got it the first day it came out. Same with the Toshiba HD DVD player.

I would love to get in on this new format, but I have an Epson 5030 projector and I'm not sure that it's compatible. I know my pj won't do 4K, but I'd take a down rezzed 1080p picture if it works until I eventually upgrade my pj to 4K.
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Well this player could dent the Roku 4/ Fire TV sales as well. One advantage to using an external source for streaming is the ability to get DD+ content (particularly Atmos and presumably DTS:X) which can't be provided by a TVs on-board app due to ARC/Optical limitations. So if someone is considering a Roku4 for that reason, you now have a UHD BD player that would give you that as well so why not just one box which "effectively" drops the price by $100 to $150 since you wouldn't need to buy the Roku. Obviously the big question is if Samsung will have all of the streaming services on board.
well..first off 4K video streaming sounds for the most part like an oxymoron to me anyway
I wont go down that rabbit hole right now though

I doubt if sales of any of those streaming devices will be impacted...the convenience of those( and their size) has a large following
And to my knowledge..I didnt think there was any streaming service that could offer lossless audio
Though..again I dont think the masses seem to care. Lossy AC3 through a convenient streaming device is good enough

Convenience is huge and often a better buying criteria than quality. Look what cell phone video capability has done to the camera market

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