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Technically, the UB900 was a 2 year player, most flagship players have been working about a 2 year lifecycle.
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There is a company that DOES make optical disc players with a very good rep for continued support and firmware updates, and whose products do an excellent job in streaming almost any kind of file in your home digital collection.

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Ugh, after my last oppo (103au), I won't touch one unless I can't find another player with subtitle shift. It was slow, sluggish, with such a poor quality laser assembly it had no end of playback problems. They used utter plastic cheap junk for the non US model laser chassis. And I can't find any real breakdown of the current units laser assembly, plus seen enough playback issues from owners, I bear no hope.
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Hi everyone! Looking for some custom settings for this player opinions, thoughts and suggestions on resolution, color space output. Deep color? I have a Sony XBR 65 X930C. Running straight to TV with certified monoprice cable. What is everyone best PQ settings?

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Hi everyone! Looking for some custom settings for this player opinions, thoughts and suggestions on resolution, color space output. Deep color? I have a Sony XBR 65 X930C. Running straight to TV with certified monoprice cable. What is everyone best PQ settings?
This player is great "out of the box"; the only things I "force" are 4k output and 10-bit.
Your sig says your current player is the Sony and not the Panasonic (or Samsung): which is it? I had the Samsung before my Panasonic and it was an utter disaster.

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Hi everyone! Looking for some custom settings for this player opinions, thoughts and suggestions on resolution, color space output. Deep color? I have a Sony XBR 65 X930C. Running straight to TV with certified monoprice cable. What is everyone best PQ settings?
This player is great "out of the box"; the only things I "force" are 4k output and 10-bit.
Your sig says your current player is the Sony and not the Panasonic (or Samsung): which is it? I had the Samsung before my Panasonic and it was an utter disaster.
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I think my Sony Panel is 10bit native so would that be 4::2:2? What is better 4:2:2 or 4:4:4?

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I think my Sony Panel is 10bit native so would that be 4::2:2? What is better 4:2:2 or 4:4:4?

You can try 4:4:4 10 bit or 4:2:2 12 bit to see which is better. I do not see a difference on my Sony 940C between the 2, so I just leave it on auto and let the player and display fight it out.


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I think my Sony Panel is 10bit native so would that be 4::2:2? What is better 4:2:2 or 4:4:4?

You can try 4:4:4 10 bit or 4:2:2 12 bit to see which is better. I do not see a difference on my Sony 940C between the 2, so I just leave it on auto and let the player and display fight it out.


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Ok thanks. Sometimes I switch back and forth and try to see difference and I don?t actually and sometimes I mess around with it too much and I lose HDR and just get SDR according to playback info.

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Ok thanks. Sometimes I switch back and forth and try to see difference and I don?t actually and sometimes I mess around with it too much and I lose HDR and just get SDR according to playback info.

I learned a long time ago to not stress and leave things alone if everything is OK and just enjoy it


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I see no difference on test patterns between the two with 10 bit 444 or 12 bit 444 on the Sony 940E. I reckon some 2015 UHD only displays had problems with 12 bit and so did some AVR's, and the recommendation for 12 bit 422 is a bandwidth thing among others.

Most devices on Auto, that use 12 bit, will go 12 bit 422 or 444, and I have yet to run into an issue. I'm with the Auto crowd nowadays, unless I see an error in playback or on a test pattern with spears and munsil.

If left to auto, the 900 will send everything at 12bit 444 to my 940E.

I've always wondered the 12bit vs 10bit choice since the discs are 10bit, but I think player manufacturers did that to help with banding among other things. The same thing Sony does with Smooth gradation, takes the signal and processes it internally at a higher bit depth to remove or decrease banding and posturization.

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I see no difference on test patterns between the two with 10 bit 444 or 12 bit 444 on the Sony 940E. I reckon some 2015 UHD only displays had problems with 12 bit and so did some AVR's, and the recommendation for 12 bit 422 is a bandwidth thing among others.

Most devices on Auto, that use 12 bit, will go 12 bit 422 or 444, and I have yet to run into an issue. I'm with the Auto crowd nowadays, unless I see an error in playback or on a test pattern with spears and munsil.

If left to auto, the 900 will send everything at 12bit 444 to my 940E.

I've always wondered the 12bit vs 10bit choice since the discs are 10bit, but I think player manufacturers did that to help with banding among other things. The same thing Sony does with Smooth gradation, takes the signal and processes it internally at a higher bit depth to remove or decrease banding and posturization.
Ok thanks that was informative. That Apple TV also has a color space option. I believe it was 4:2:2 and they specified it makes the picture better?

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Does anyone know if it’s possible to force the Panasonic into 1080p but still get HDR? I have an Epson 5040 Projector and would like to watch 4K movies in 1080P with the 4K enhancement on and use FI. When I force the output of the player to 1080p its only showing SDR in the Projector info screen. I thought I heard the Oppo 203 can do it but wasn’t sure if the Panasonic 900 can.


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Does anyone know if it’s possible to force the Panasonic into 1080p but still get HDR? I have an Epson 5040 Projector and would like to watch 4K movies in 1080P with the 4K enhancement on and use FI. When I force the output of the player to 1080p its only showing SDR in the Projector info screen. I thought I heard the Oppo 203 can do it but wasn’t sure if the Panasonic 900 can.


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HDR is only available with 4K.

You can strip HDR with the combination of the Panasonic and a product from HD Fury, but it will only work with 4K material. That is the same feature the Oppo 203 has, but the Panasonic can do it better.
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HDR is only available with 4K.



You can strip HDR with the combination of the Panasonic and a product from HD Fury, but it will only work with 4K material. That is the same feature the Oppo 203 has, but the Panasonic can do it better.


I have an HD Fury Linker if that’s what you’re referring too. Unless you’re talking about something else.

Also, you say the Oppo has that feature but the Panasonic can do it better. That’s confusing because you said the Panasonic can’t do it...


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I have an HD Fury Linker if that’s what you’re referring too. Unless you’re talking about something else.

Also, you say the Oppo has that feature but the Panasonic can do it better. That’s confusing because you said the Panasonic can’t do it...
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I think what @COACH2369 was trying to say is the Panasonic does the HDR->SDR conversion better than the Oppo. Not to mention it has a nice HDR "slider" function (but that only applies to 4k/HDR output).


I guess that’s where I’m confused. When you say HDR->SDR, what exactly do you mean? Like watching a 4K movie in 1080p with HDR disabled?


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I guess that’s where I’m confused. When you say HDR->SDR, what exactly do you mean? Like watching a 4K movie in 1080p with HDR disabled?


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It means playing a 4K HDR movie on an older NON HDR 4K tv and being able to adjust the quality of it (brighten it up).. In 4K resolution.. If you have a newer 4K HDR tv you will not be using HDR to SDR.. You will be in full HDR. 😊

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I have an HD Fury Linker if that’s what you’re referring too. Unless you’re talking about something else.

Also, you say the Oppo has that feature but the Panasonic can do it better. That’s confusing because you said the Panasonic can’t do it...


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It means playing a 4K HDR movie on an older NON HDR 4K tv and being able to adjust the quality of it (brighten it up).. In 4K resolution.. If you have a newer 4K HDR tv you will not be using HDR to SDR.. You will be in full HDR. 😊
I must have been tired when I typed that post.

The Panasonic will do a HDR-SDR conversion(with the help of a Integral, Linker or Vertex)which will strip out the HDR but keep the WCG intact. This is really useful for someone with a projector that doesn't have enough brightness to get an acceptable HDR picture.

That was my system setup for awhile until I was able to get an updated calibration. Now I get an acceptable HDR picture on almost all titles. The ones that are still dim, i use the HDR slider to help give a subtle bump in brightness.

It appears that the new Panasonic models will do this conversion without the additional hardware, which will be awesome. At the same time, the Oppo is about 98% of the way there with doing it internally....

Hopefully I didn't confuse you anymore..
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It means playing a 4K HDR movie on an older NON HDR 4K tv and being able to adjust the quality of it (brighten it up).. In 4K resolution.. If you have a newer 4K HDR tv you will not be using HDR to SDR.. You will be in full HDR.


Makes sense now. Thank you!


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I must have been tired when I typed that post.



The Panasonic will do a HDR-SDR conversion(with the help of a Integral, Linker or Vertex)which will strip out the HDR but keep the WCG intact. This is really useful for someone with a projector that doesn't have enough brightness to get an acceptable HDR picture.



That was my system setup for awhile until I was able to get an updated calibration. Now I get an acceptable HDR picture on almost all titles. The ones that are still dim, i use the HDR slider to help give a subtle bump in brightness.



It appears that the new Panasonic models will do this conversion without the additional hardware, which will be awesome. At the same time, the Oppo is about 98% of the way there with doing it internally....



Hopefully I didn't confuse you anymore..


That totally helps. Thank you! I completely understand what you mean about typing a post while tired

Question about the HDR-SDR Conversion. I’m wondering if that’s what’s going on with my Epson 5040 Projector. I have an HD Fury Linker in the mix right now. Here’s a picture of what my projector info was showing when I played a 4K HDR Movie in 1080p resolution.




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Haven't used my 900 much lately as I've been streaming most titles, but wanted to see if there is a way to automatically output Blu Ray discs at 1080p, and only 4K Discs at 4K?

I thought it would do this already, but watching a 1080p concert blu ray the other night I noticed I had the player set to output 1080 - ok, fine all was good. But putting in a 4K disc, the output is down converted to 1080p. Setting "Auto" in the resolution output apparently just outputs whatever your display can handle, not what is native on the disc itself?

Would prefer not to upconvert everything to 4K for a variety of (mostly cabling and bandwidth) reasons, the least of which is quality of the upconversion itself though - it looks really good to my eye.

When using my Nvidia Shield, I get around no "native rez output" by setting custom EDIDs with my Fury Integral so the Shield thinks it is now connected to a 4K (or 1080p) display, depending on which button I press on the harmony. I could do this for the Panasonic too, I guess, but wondered if there is not a native resolution output for discs available somehow?

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The Panasonic has a Dynamic Range Slider which is a very useful feature for those without a proper HDR TV. And due to the chaotic mess that is UHD TV, I am waiting until 2019/2020 to upgrade the TV in the hopes by then they have some clue as to what they are doing, whats the standard and whats going to be valid in 2 years....

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It means playing a 4K HDR movie on an older NON HDR 4K tv and being able to adjust the quality of it (brighten it up).. In 4K resolution.. If you have a newer 4K HDR tv you will not be using HDR to SDR.. You will be in full HDR. 😊
"full HDR"

Then you find out your TV is only capable of half a nit and the blackest black is actually grey. The sub $600/£500 crew!
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You only need the HD Fury device on projectors as it works fine on TV's. The Panasonic will allow you to read the input and output data, converting from HDR 2020 to SDR 2020 on 4k Bluray discs, MKV remux files and .m2ts files.

I assume its a HDCP 2.2 compliance thing with projectors?
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Hey all - I've been spinning a lot of Blu-Ray's lately. While 4K's are off the charts beautiful, I've not been overly pleased with standard BR on this player. Perhaps it's my settings but this player has me seriously considering bringing my Oppo 103 to the main theater room for standard BR - which I'd rather not do. If anyone has any advice on any changes I should make to the settings in the 900 or even the Denon I'm all ears.

As an aside, I'm glad I didn't pay full price for this Panny with it already being replaced and what appears to be lack of firmware updates. I guess we'll see how this pans out. I'm waiting for the HRD 10+ / DV to sort itself out before I make any changes anyway.


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Hey all - I've been spinning a lot of Blu-Ray's lately. While 4K's are off the charts beautiful, I've not been overly pleased with standard BR on this player. Perhaps it's my settings but this player has me seriously considering bringing my Oppo 103 to the main theater room for standard BR - which I'd rather not do. If anyone has any advice on any changes I should make to the settings in the 900 or even the Denon I'm all ears.

As an aside, I'm glad I didn't pay full price for this Panny with it already being replaced and what appears to be lack of firmware updates. I guess we'll see how this pans out. I'm waiting for the HRD 10+ / DV to sort itself out before I make any changes anyway.


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I've had the UB900 since launch (April 2016 here in UK) and I also own a Oppo 203 (prior to that the 103D). In terms of UHD picture quality between the UB900 and 203 I think it's a dead heat. Although I've had many problems with the 203 and not a single one in two years with the UB900.

As a standard BD player I have to say I thought the UB900 ahead of even the likes of the lofty 103.

As regards firmware updates I don't think the UB900 needs them! Unlike the Oppo 203 which operates like beta kit.

I have considered the new UB820 mainly because of the DV compatibility but I think DV is in a mess at the moment and also with HDR10+ looming on the horizon.

I'm even considering getting another UB900 whilst they are still available and offering a price saving over the new UB820 whose main advantage is DV.
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I just purchased Panasonic UB900 to use with my JVC X600. I also have a Vertex. Do I need to use the Vertex, if the Panasonic is doing the HDR to SDR conversion? Also, could someone please provide the proper settings I should be using in the player and on the Vertex? I am assuming I should be setting up the projector to use BT2020 color profile and a standard 2.4 gamma.

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4k Mkv file streaming with Atmos passthru

Folks...has any one had any luck with this via NAS or USB or would u know if future FW will address? Seems the Oppo 203 will do this...file plays fine but no audio as Atmos will not pass thru...thanks

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Folks...has any one had any luck with this via NAS or USB or would u know if future FW will address? Seems the Oppo 203 will do this...file plays fine but no audio as Atmos will not pass thru...thanks
This seems to be the #1 issue with playing/streaming multiple file types (mkv/mt2s): won't read/play the lossless audio stream (which also carries Atmos). This would seem easy to fix, but I'm afraid that if it hasn't been done by now, Panasonic is not interested in doing it.

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