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Yup, I am watching Star Trek in 4K and I can tell you it blows the Samsung and Philips out of the water! Night and day PQ difference. I returned the Samsung and Philips to Amazon.
Other than the red push issue, can you be more specific about what makes the Panasonic output so much different and better than the others? I don't mean to challenge your observations, but confirmation bias can easily influence our perceptions on a variety of matters. I'm hoping you're right, though; just wanting to understand how and where it excels.

I've been watching threads for the Samsung and Philips, and haven't been motivated to buy either of those as yet. Have been waiting for the Panasonic, to see what it brings to the table despite the much higher price.

The Amazon and Netflix streaming capabilities are also important to me for this player.

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Other than the red push issue, can you be more specific about what makes the Panasonic output so much different and better than the others? I don't mean to challenge your observations, but confirmation bias can easily influence our perceptions on a variety of matters. I'm hoping you're right, though; just wanting to understand how and where it excels.

I've been watching threads for the Samsung and Philips, and haven't been motivated to buy either of those as yet. Have been waiting for the Panasonic, to see what it brings to the table despite the much higher price.

The Amazon and Netflix streaming capabilities are also important to me for this player.

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Amazon and Netflix look amazing but no HDR. I use my Amazon and Netflix in my TV so I can get HDR and Dolby Vision.

As for the player differences besides the red push, the Panasonic gives me a sharper picture and better contrast and colors pop more. This applies to both the Samsung and Philips. I am glad I got the Panasonic.
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Amazon and Netflix look amazing but no HDR. I use my Amazon and Netflix in my TV so I can get HDR and Dolby Vision.

As for the player differences besides the red push, the Panasonic gives me a sharper picture and better contrast and colors pop more. This applies to both the Samsung and Philips. I am glad I got the Panasonic.
Oh , and the build quality alone is worth it

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Amazon and Netflix look amazing but no HDR. I use my Amazon and Netflix in my TV so I can get HDR and Dolby Vision.

As for the player differences besides the red push, the Panasonic gives me a sharper picture and better contrast and colors pop more. This applies to both the Samsung and Philips. I am glad I got the Panasonic.
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Anyone figure out a way to get Playback info while playing a movie via USB? Pressing PLAYBACK INFO on the remote has no effect.

For anyone like me I have both PAL and NTSC movies. Even though the manual states NTSC ONLY this is not true. I decided to test and the Panasonic will play PAL movies. Now as soon as I get the new firmware I will be able to test my PAL DVD's and BLURAY's.

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Yup, I am watching Star Trek in 4K and I can tell you it blows the Samsung and Philips out of the water! Night and day PQ difference. I returned the Samsung and Philips to Amazon.
Is the difference because of the HDR calibration Chad did on your tv? Did you compare the Samsung and Phillips to the Panasonic after the calibration?
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Is the difference because of the HDR calibration Chad did on your tv? Did you compare the Samsung and Phillips to the Panasonic after the calibration?
I tried the samsung and philips after Chad did the HDR calibration and the Panasonic is much better
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I have a Sony VPL-VW665ES projector displaying on a 100 in. wide Stewart Studiomatte 1.3 screen and I have been using it with the Samsung K8500 UHD player since the Samsung came out in late February. I placed a pre-order for the Panasonic 900 UHD player in late May with Value Electronics. My player arrived on Thursday and i have been using and comparing it to the Samsung K8500 with both UHD blu-ray discs and streaming content. I definitely concur with the numerous folks who have stated that the Panasonic affords a superior image to the Samsung player. The Samsung K8500 has never worked corrrectly with my 665ES projector although recent firmware updates of the projector and lots of experimentation on my part have resulted in a good, but not exceptional, image from UHD blu-ray discs. The principal problems with the Samsung were low APl (average picture level) resulting in a picture that was too dark with blacks being crushed and the brightest areas of the image being blown out. This could be improved somewhat in the Samsung Tools>Picture Mode>User settings by adjusting the brightness and contrast. However, no matter how carefully I adjusted those controls i could never address properly the blown out white areas. I also felt that the WCG produced overly saturated (almost fluorescent) colors with the Samsung K8500. This could be moderated somewhat using th color intensity controls on the player, but I was never totoally satisfied with the result even after extensive experimentation.

The combination of the Panasonic 900 and the Sony 665ES has completely solved these problems. Colors presented by the Panasonic 900 for UHD blu-ray discs are simply perfect and much more authentic to my eyes than the Samsung. Both my wife and I said "wow" the first time we saw a UHD blu-ray on the Panasonic. The difference in image quality between the Samsung and the Panasonic is not subtle but readily apparent. I did slightly adjust the brightness and contrast on the Panasonic 900 when playing a UHD blu-ray possibly becuase we wanted to use the low lamp mode on our projector to extend lamp life. Even in low lamp mode the image is just spectacular and one has no doubt in seeing the onscreen image that HDR and WCG are being displayed.

A big suprise for me was in viewing steaming content from Amazon, Netflix, and YouTube on the Panasonic 900. We have AT&T Gigapower and with our wired ethernet connection deliver 940 + Mbs to the Panasonic so bandwidth is never an issue while streaming. The picture with streaming content is markedly better than we have gotten using either our Samsung K8500 or our Roku 4 box when viewing the same content. The picture has incredible contrast, perfect color, and is a delight to watch. Unfortunately, we are not able to get HDR from those Amazon videos that state they have HDR content (e.g. Bosch), but WCG and 4K are very evident and the onscreen streaming content image is so good I don't find myself missing HDR.

The problem with getting 4K+HDR+WCG on the Panasonic while streaming is that this player streams ALL content at 60p. At this frame rate the bandwidth required is greater than the 10.2 Gb/s bandwidth limitation of my 665ES projector. It is not clear to me why Panasonic has enabled streaming only at 60p with this player, but unless this is changed in a future firmware upgrade, then I seriously doubt I shall ever get HDR via streaming with this player. The Samsung K8500 streams content at 24p where this is the native frame rate of the material, but I am still not able to get HDR+WCG+4K via streaming from the K8500 to my 665ES without manually selecting HDR to "on" in the Sony projector's menu. When I do the picture is terrible with garish colors and is far too dark to view. Incidentally this all applies only to streaming content since both of these UHD players playback UHD blu-ray discs at 24p with 4K+HDR+WCG since that does not exceed the bandwidth limitation of my projector.

I hope these comments are of some use for those comparing the Samsung K8500 and Panasonic UBD900 players.

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I tried the samsung and philips after Chad did the HDR calibration and the Panasonic is much better
Do you have to adjust the brightness on your OLED with different UHD discs when connected to the Panasonic? In my experience with the Samsung and Phillips, I have to adjust the brightness down with some movies due to the elevated blacks.
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I tried the samsung and philips after Chad did the HDR calibration and the Panasonic is much better
Just set up my new Panasonic DMP-UB900 as a replacement for the Samsung K8500. Initial thoughts are positive but will need more time to see what the differences are. Like the remote. Playing it on a Panasonic 65dx900 set. See screen shot.
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Do you have to adjust the brightness on your OLED with different UHD discs when connected to the Panasonic? In my experience with the Samsung and Phillips, I have to adjust the brightness down with some movies due to the elevated blacks.
Thats a good question. I have only watched Star Trek so far. I just got the Revenant and Xmen so I will try them next and see if I need to adjust the brightness
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I'm extremely happy with my new Panasonic UB900 on day 1
Running it through my Yamaha RX-A3050 to my JVC X750 has been flawless!

Jaw on the floor Awesome! at 120" and 7.4.4 Atmos
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I'm extremely happy with my new Panasonic UB900 on day 1
Running it through my Yamaha RX-A3050 to my JVC X750 has been flawless!

Jaw on the floor Awesome! at 120" and 7.4.4 Atmos
Thats my next test. I am waiting for my new Marantz SR6011 to show up so I can connect the Panasonic to the Marantz and then to my LG E6

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I have also just set up the new Panasonic DMP-UB900 as a replacement for the Samsung K8500. I've tried a UHD/BD/3D: all I can say is flawless. I dropped it into the same system (TV/AVR/cables/etc.) @4:4:4/12 bit and not a single drop-out or skip. I really like the "video info" display.
Off the wall question: has anyone thought about (or tried) removing the front cover? It doesn't really serve any function beyond cosmetic.

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I have also just set up the new Panasonic DMP-UB900 as a replacement for the Samsung K8500. I've tried a UHD/BD/3D: all I can say is flawless. I dropped it into the same system (TV/AVR/cables/etc.) @4:4:4/12 bit and not a single drop-out or skip. I really like the "video info" display.
Off the wall question: has anyone thought about (or tried) removing the front cover? It doesn't really serve any function beyond cosmetic.
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Thats a good question. I have only watched Star Trek so far. I just got the Revenant and Xmen so I will try them next and see if I need to adjust the brightness
You should adjust the brightness on the player so you don't have muck around with your TV each time. I setup the first picture memory for UHD and the second for SDR, works great.

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I'm cautiously optimistic that the Panasonic will meet my needs, but am not in a big hurry, so will wait for the formal reviews and comparisons, for it to get in front of more eyes and ears, before making a somewhat expensive decision!
There are review already, wahthifi, Avforums and a few. You really can't go wrong. I think we can't elaborate on why its better PQ wise because it just looks right to the eyes just look at all these happy owners that speaks for it self. Need to say more?

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There are review already, wahthifi, Avforums and a few. You really can't go wrong. I think we can't elaborate on why its better PQ wise because it just looks right to the eyes just look at all these happy owners that speaks for it self. Need to say more?
Yes, with it being out in Europe for a number of months, there is some data and reviews already. Whether the US version will be different in any way, for better or worse, hasn't been entirely clear. If nothing else, we don't get the HDMI cables or included 4K BD titles, unfortunately. Are there other differences? None that I've seen identified as yet, but they're only just now getting into people's homes (US version, that is).

As for it just looking right, yes, there is much to be said for that. But I've been around long enough, and have seen people believing things that could not be confirmed in double-blinded studies, to take pretty much anybody's observations, including my own(!), with a grain of salt. A bit philosophical, perhaps, but I do think it important to consider that confirmation and other biases influence our perceptions to a much greater degree than we might think. Hence, the role of science and evidence-based decision making are quite important to me.

All that said, all the preliminary indications are quite encouraging. I just like to learn as much as I can, from all sides, before making decisions. I know I can return the unit if it doesn't meet my needs, but I don't want to waste my time, or take advantage of return policies, if I can avoid it.

So I look forward to more observations, comparisons, experience reports, etc - keep it coming!
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All that said, all the preliminary indications are quite encouraging. I just like to learn as much as I can, from all sides, before making decisions. I know I can return the unit if it doesn't meet my needs, but I don't want to waste my time, or take advantage of return policies, if I can avoid it.

So I look forward to more observations, comparisons, experience reports, etc - keep it coming!
Yes I am pretty much like that too and I can tell you it easily exceeded my expectations (they were high) and keeps on impressing. Am pretty sure all units are identical around the globe apart from power plugs and streaming services based on regions. I don't see a reason to wait really it's been out in the UK for many months all I've seen and heard were positive feedback, I've had it for about 3-4 weeks and well you see my view.

This is one rare piece of kit that really delivers first out.
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You should adjust the brightness on the player so you don't have muck around with your TV each time. I setup the first picture memory for UHD and the second for SDR, works great.
That sounds all good, unless you have to adjust the brightness on the player for different movies. You don't solve the problem with tv's that have perfect blacks such as OLED. Other tv's that can't reach absolute zero with blacks will never see the problem.
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Hi to all,

I'm from Canada.

I see some of you are canadians and got the Panasonic DMP-UB900.

Can you please tell me where you got it from?

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Question: does this player offer a ''time remaining'' option viewed from the display?
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Hi to all,

I'm from Canada.

I see some of you are canadians and got the Panasonic DMP-UB900.

Can you please tell me where you got it from?

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I got mine from Bay Bloor Radio in Toronto.
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Our Panny UB-900 arrived Thursday as well. Connected directly to the Marantz 7010 receiver --> VPL-365 Sony projector with 18gb hdmi cables. The picture on streaming movies from the home network look great but I'm not able to receive any audio for any movies or files that have DTS-HD or TrueHD. If the movie or file is dolby digital 5.1, they work fine. These same movies and files with DTS-HD and TrueHD work fine when streaming from the home network using the Samsung K8500 and the Oppo. Any ideas?

Later I thought to be sure the digital audio out is set to Bitstream and thought that might be the answer but when I checked, the Panny ub900 is already set to Bitstream by default.

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Our Panny UB-900 arrived Thursday as well. Connected directly to the Marantz 7010 receiver --> VPL-365 Sony projector with 18gb hdmi cables. The picture on streaming movies from the home network look great but I'm not able to receive any audio for any movies or files that have DTS-HD or TrueHD. If the movie or file is dolby digital 5.1, they work fine. These same movies and files with DTS-HD and TrueHD work fine when streaming from the home network using the Samsung K8500 and the Oppo. Any ideas?

Later I thought to be sure the digital audio out is set to Bitstream and thought that might be the answer but when I checked, the Panny ub900 is already set to Bitstream by default.
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Yes, flawless!

Samsung - 18gb certified HDMI cable - Audio dropouts
Philips - same 18 gb certified HDMI cable - Audio dropouts
3D version of Harry Potter and the Deathly hallows - WONT PLAY

Panasonic - Same certified 18gb HDMI as used with Samsung and Philips - NO AUDIO DROPOUTS - 3D IS SUPERB

Could not be happier!
Here's the amazing part: I don't even have "18Gb certified" cables...just "hi-speed" cables. I knew it had to be the Samsung (after 3 players) and not the cables, but I have to admit I was sweating it out until I hooked the Panasonic up last night and watched a whole movie without a single glitch!

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Our Panny UB-900 arrived Thursday as well. Connected directly to the Marantz 7010 receiver --> VPL-365 Sony projector with 18gb hdmi cables. The picture on streaming movies from the home network look great but I'm not able to receive any audio for any movies or files that have DTS-HD or TrueHD. If the movie or file is dolby digital 5.1, they work fine. These same movies and files with DTS-HD and TrueHD work fine when streaming from the home network using the Samsung K8500 and the Oppo. Any ideas?

Later I thought to be sure the digital audio out is set to Bitstream and thought that might be the answer but when I checked, the Panny ub900 is already set to Bitstream by default.
Tell me some of the movies you have an issue with and I will check them on mine. I can't think of any files off the top of my head that have DTS

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Here's the amazing part: I don't even have "18Gb certified" cables...just "hi-speed" cables. I knew it had to be the Samsung (after 3 players) and not the cables, but I have to admit I was sweating it out until I hooked the Panasonic up last night and watched a whole movie without a single glitch!

LOL, Thats exactly how I felt

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Here's the question for the day: do we turn Deep Color OFF on the player? I assume we do for the same reason as the Samsung UHD player (old setting from Blu-Ray days). I know it is ON for the TV.

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