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post #1321 of 4775 Old 09-03-2016, 08:27 PM
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I also have an OLED tv and would like to know if you think the player converts 1080p blu ray to 4K better than the tv.
Absolutely. LG's upscaling simply will not match Panasonic's upscaling. Leave it on Auto for sure.
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The Martian Extended edition 4K vs 1080p

4K/UHD

4K/24P HDR/BT.2020 4:2:2 12bit and WCG (JVC iris wide open)


1080 Bluray (up-scaled by UB900 to 4K)

4K/24P SDR/BT.709 4:4:4 8bit (JVC iris -10)


My Redmere 40' HDMI cable from my AVR to my JVC fails at 4:4:4/12bit with 4K native material
So my max output is 4:2:2 12 bit with native 4K sources. (Cable is not 18Gbps rated)

I seem to have a pretty decent output with HDR on my JVC X750
120" screen 1.3 gain and 12' throw ~76 hours on the lamp so far.

I'm not sure I need to invest in an Integral Fury to strip away HDR yet,
The Black floor doesn't seem to be affected at all and contrast looks very good.

I understand the dynamic iris is disabled when HDR is enabled,
but at ~100k:1 Native Contrast on the X750 ...I honestly don't miss it at all.




Everything on the Panny set to auto
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So your preference is to allow the Panasonic to handle the upconversion of 1080p content to 4K instead of of the JVC even when taking pixel-shifting processing into account?
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So your preference is to allow the Panasonic to handle the up-conversion of 1080p content to 4K instead of of the JVC even when taking pixel-shifting processing into account?
The only thing I've stated so far,

On 1080 Bluray movies, the Panasonic does a very good job on auto (up-scaling to 4K)
However, if there is a 4K version of the same movie I prefer the 4K/HDR/WCG on my X750.

I have not yet tried turning off the auto setting (up-conversion) in the Panasonic yet.
But I honestly don't expect it to look much different, 1080p from other sources look great with E-Shift.
(HD Cable, PS4, XBO, HD DVD)

My JVC's settings for both BT.2020 and BT.709 are detailed in the last page in link in my sig,
To be fair, those are not calibrated settings specific to my room.

They are general starting points suggested by zombie10k (BT.709) in the JVC section
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The only thing I've stated so far,

On 1080 Bluray movies, the Panasonic does a very good job on auto (up-scaling to 4K)
However, if there is a 4K version of the same movie I prefer the 4K/HDR/WCG on my X750.

I have not yet tried turning off the auto setting (up-conversion) in the Panasonic yet.
But I honestly don't expect it to look much different, 1080p from other sources look great with E-Shift.
(HD Cable, PS4, XBO, HD DVD)

My JVC's settings for both BT.2020 and BT.709 are detailed in the last page in link in my sig,
To be fair, those are not calibrated settings specific to my room.

They are general starting points suggested by zombie10k (BT.709) in the JVC section
and the BT.2020 contrast/brightness was adjusted with Javs recommendations.
I have a jvc too. The first 1080p blu ray I played, I had the panny upscale to 4k to the jvc. I found the image not as sharp as my oppo 103d player would output. I played the same disc outputting naive resolution of 1080p to the jvc....it appeared sharper to my eyes vs up scaling a 1080p signal to 4k only to have the jvc downscale it back to 1080p. The additional scaling appeared to have a downside in terms of sharpness.

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Not that it matters
(especially based on a still frame from a smartphone LOL)

but just for the heck of it I decided to load up a scene I'm pretty familiar with from TFA

Panasonic upscale to 4K


JVC E-Shift with Panasonic set to 1080p


If Disney ever pulls their heads out of their butts in regards to 4K releases
You can bet I'll be double checking the ***** out of this one (after double dipping )
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Not that it matters
(especially based on a still frame from a smartphone LOL)

but just for the heck of it I decided to load up a scene I'm pretty familiar with from TFA

Panasonic upscale to 4K


JVC E-Shift with Panasonic set to 1080p


If Disney ever pulls their heads out of their butts in regards to 4K releases
You can bet I'll be double checking the ***** out of this one (after double dipping )

I know these are pictures taken from your phone but I can't see a difference between the two.

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I know these are pictures taken from your phone but I can't see a difference between the two.
I see differences between the two but the timestamp is different so not a fair comparison. Check the second from the right Stormtrooper, he is in a different position.

Either way the ub900 is a good player.
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I can't tell from the pics either... Which do you actually prefer having seen both of them live and in motion?

I would think upconverting to 4K only to have to process the image a second time would not yield the best results but when you throw pixel-shift into the equation then it might make a difference since I don't think the projector has to downconvert the image back to 1080p.

I take delivery of the Panasonic on 09-07-16 and I will do some testing as well and report back but I am interested in others experiences as a point of reference.
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[QUOTE=rboster;46546681]I have a jvc too. The first 1080p blu ray I played, I had the panny upscale to 4k to the jvc. I found the image not as sharp as my oppo 103d player would output. I played the same disc outputting naive resolution of 1080p to the jvc....it appeared sharper to my eyes vs up scaling a 1080p signal to 4k only to have the jvc downscale it back to 1080p. The additional scaling appeared to have a downside in terms of sharpness.

Ron[/QUO

This was my preference as well. I tried both and definitely prefer 1080p on blu-rays. The above reason you gave is the exact same thing Chad said in regards to the difference. Not a big deal, I will just change the resolution as needed.
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I have a jvc too. The first 1080p blu ray I played, I had the panny upscale to 4k to the jvc. I found the image not as sharp as my oppo 103d player would output. I played the same disc outputting naive resolution of 1080p to the jvc....it appeared sharper to my eyes vs up scaling a 1080p signal to 4k only to have the jvc downscale it back to 1080p. The additional scaling appeared to have a downside in terms of sharpness.

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Did you have darbee engaged on the OPPO at the time of comparison?
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I have a jvc too. The first 1080p blu ray I played, I had the panny upscale to 4k to the jvc. I found the image not as sharp as my oppo 103d player would output. I played the same disc outputting naive resolution of 1080p to the jvc....it appeared sharper to my eyes vs up scaling a 1080p signal to 4k only to have the jvc downscale it back to 1080p. The additional scaling appeared to have a downside in terms of sharpness.

Ron[/QUO

This was my preference as well. I tried both and definitely prefer 1080p on blu-rays. The above reason you gave is the exact same thing Chad said in regards to the difference. Not a big deal, I will just change the resolution as needed.
Do you have a 4K display?
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Did you have darbee engaged on the OPPO at the time of comparison?
yes, I did, which would have given the edge (no pun intended) to the OPPO's sharpness vs the panny even at native resolution. But, the 4k upscale vs native is an apples to apples comparison. I just mentioned the OPPO comparison since I'm sure some would be interested in the comment.
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Do you have a 4K display?
No, I have a JVC, which accepts a 4k signal.

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yes, I did, which would have given the edge (no pun intended) to the OPPO's sharpness vs the panny even at native resolution. But, the 4k upscale vs native is an apples to apples comparison. I just mentioned the OPPO comparison since I'm sure some would be interested in the comment.
I also have the 103D. Wa curious how the OPPO looked on a 4K display sending 1080p to the tv to be upscaled, vs the Panny upscaling to 4k and sending to a 4K display.
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I can't tell from the pics either... Which do you actually prefer having seen both of them live and in motion?

I would think upconverting to 4K only to have to process the image a second time would not yield the best results but when you throw pixel-shift into the equation then it might make a difference since I don't think the projector has to downconvert the image back to 1080p.

I take delivery of the Panasonic on 09-07-16 and I will do some testing as well and report back but I am interested in others experiences as a point of reference.

I broke down and picked this at best Buy late Friday. I haven't had a chance to set it up yet, due to some travelling but hope to set it up Tuesday. I did open the box up and check out the player and just based on the looks and the weight you could tell this is well built and a very nice looking player compared to the Samsung player and the remote control on the Panasonic appears to be much more substantial so from that stand point I already like it over the Samsung. Of course none of this matters if the performance is lacking and I hope to explore this Tuesday.

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4K/UHD

4K/24P HDR/BT.2020 4:2:2 12bit and WCG (JVC iris wide open)

We can see the "poop"...
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Coming from Oppo BDP-103D then Samsung K8500 and now for a few days the Panasonic DMP-UB900 connected to my 78 inch Samsung UN78JS8600. I had my doubt with all the chatter about the 8/10/12 bit processing but at least for my TV the Panasonic works great. There is banding on some scenes with deep color "on" like I used to have with the k8500 but with deep color "off" and 12 bit output there is no banding at all with my setup!

Every single UHD disc I have looks fantastic! In my subjective opinion better compared to the k8500.

I’m very impressed about the picture quality, especially with the upscale 1080p Blu-rays. With the Samsung I used to have the TV do the upscaling but with the Panasonic I love the quality of the upscaling better and leave this to the player from now on. One of the first discs I tried was Star Wars with the infamous red smearing and ghosting in the faces – not so with the Panasonic.

So very happy camper here so far only thing what made me upset was that Best Buy did not double box this player which is a shame for expensive merchandise like this.
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But I honestly don't expect it to look much different, 1080p from other sources look great with E-Shift.

My JVC's settings for both BT.2020 and BT.709 are detailed in the last page in link in my sig,
To be fair, those are not calibrated settings specific to my room.

They are general starting points suggested by zombie10k (BT.709) in the JVC section
and the BT.2020 contrast/brightness was adjusted with Javs recommendations.
You should have got the unit calibrated from Eastporters. For the additional cost, they would have done that out the door for you with the projector and screen combination purchase. Given the pride you have with your video, it would be much better than getting settings online.

I'm not sure why so many "videophiles" here forgo this absolutely essential service, spend all of this money on power bars, cables, etc., yet don't get their system set up correctly. It isn't smoke and mirrors. There's a reason why the film industry is very picky on keeping their monitors and reference rooms calibrated regularly. I have studios in Toronto as my clients who regularly have me on a timeline to come in. One very large one in particular creates visual effects for many of the action films we love. We've made sure most of their monitors are set up correctly and regularly. Since I do work for both professional and consumer, and see both sides of content (creation to final display). Why consumers feel the need to skip this step that studios value so highly, and then wander around online aimlessly to find some sort of magic setting for them just boggles my mind.

So here's some tips to you, fellow Canadian, so you can enjoy your Panasonic even more (and anyone else on here that cares that has a JVC). Turn off 4K e-shift. It adds noise to the video signal, minor amounts of enhancement, and can drop light output by a fraction. There's also a loss in amplitude of high-resolution. Kill the feature even though you paid for it.

Turn your lamp setting to high and kill the auto iris. The blacks are already awesome in this mode. Why reduce your contrast ratio for the sake of a lamp? It's the cost of enjoyment. Enjoy your screen. Forget all of this 14fL in the home baloney. We have home video systems with Blu-ray discs mastered for home video screens, which your projector is just that. You do not have a DCI projector and content mastered for DCI. Countless people here are killing light output unnecessarily. HD video content is created/mastered with 100-120nit displays. Aim for that. What's the difference between a guy who watches on a 80", 90" or 100"+ flat panel vs. someone projecting onto a 90" or 100" screen? Nothing. The experience should be the same.

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Hi, do you own the 2016 JVC's and thoroughly measured / calibrated them? There is no good reason to run high lamp and turn off the auto iris. it does not reduce the contrast running in low lamp.

The overall attitude towards a potential customer doesn't make for a compelling sale of the calibration services.
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Respectfully, I think I'll just rely on the good advice from JVC users on AVS for now,
Then after I get ~100 hours on the fresh amp, I can fine tune it with JVC's AutoCal software and a Spyder5.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post39729042

That way as the bulb ages I can make my own (IN ROOM) corrections
rather than having the dealer calibrate a fresh unit without any of my room's parameters/treatments or screen.

I've already owned my current screen for 8 years, so did not buy Eastporters "combo".
(I may be new to 4K, but certainly not to Front projection).

I'm actually thinking of adding a fixed scope screen where my current wall mounted Kuro sits,
and keeping the powered drop down screen for 16:9 content.

I appreciate the work that professional installers and calibrators do,
but I'm more of a DIY guy for everything around my home,
in addition to cars trucks jeeps and motorcycles.

If I buy the tools I need myself the job is usually cheaper
and there are many others with the same mindset and knowledge willing to help for nothing.


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There's also no need to "kill" the auto iris,
When playing HDR content the JVC Auto Iris is disabled automatically on the 2015 and up models.

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Hello everyone,

Picked this up from Best Buy on Friday and so far its a great player, watched Life of Pi and Exodus and the picture quality is outstanding on my Sony 940C going through a Pioneer SC99.

However I have been having trouble bit streaming MKV files with lossless audio specifically atmos from my synology NAS to the player.

When in bit streaming mode in the digital audio output, playing back DTS-MSTR sound track, all I get is static and I see DTS-HD Hi-RES and stereo flickering back and forth on my Pioneer display. When playing back the ATMOS soundtrack I get this audio file is not supported.

Now if i switch to PCM mode then I get DTS 5.1 sound output but I'm not sure if it is the lossless audio track. On the ATMOS soundtrack I still get file not supported.

Has anyone been able to bit stream lossless audio track or ATMOS from their NAS or is it not supported by this player or do I have some settings not setup correctly.

You figure as much as this player cost that it would support passing through lossless audio. Thanks for any help!
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I have no issues playing Atmos via Bitstream (to my Yamaha RX-A3050 AVR)

You MUST disable secondary audio in any BD player to get Atmos/DTS:X

I'm a hard disc only person

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That ain't good. I am also looking to stream mkvs with lossless. Have you called Panasonic about it?

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I have no issues playing Atmos via Bitstream (to my Yamaha RX-A3050 AVR)

You MUST disable secondary audio in any BD player to get Atmos/DTS:X

I'm a hard disc only person
Yeah I have that option on and have no problems with hard disk only when trying to stream MKV files
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That ain't good. I am also looking to stream mkvs with lossless. Have you called Panasonic about it?
Not yet but probably will have to, its just disappointing that my $100 WD Live can do it with no problems but not the $700 Panasonic
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Well hopefully it's a firmware bug. Let me know how it goes. I'm looking to get this player once bb has it in stock but not being able to stream my bluray rips with lossless would be a major bummer.

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Well hopefully it's a firmware bug. Let me know how it goes. I'm looking to get this player once bb has it in stock but not being able to stream my bluray rips with lossless would be a major bummer.
I have to admit I was a bit surprised that this player wouldn't play .VOB files (from ripped DVDs), but my TV can play them so I have a work-around. I suppose it's a waste to turn on the UHD player just to read from a flash drive when the TV is already on and can do it, but still...

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Why are no retailers selling this besides Valueelectronics.Did everybody turn it down because of pricing? lol
It just seems strange that it isn't more widespread.The amazon overseas all have it.Whta's up with the Amazon in the U.S. and why they don't have it.
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Why are no retailers selling this besides Valueelectronics.Did everybody turn it down because of pricing? lol
It just seems strange that it isn't more widespread.The amazon overseas all have it.Whta's up with the Amazon in the U.S. and why they don't have it.
BB had it on their web site. Now it appears to be temporarily out of stock. It's still there on site, but you can't order one.
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