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post #1471 of 4780 Old 09-11-2016, 01:29 PM
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Got mine today and was also expecting an HDMI cable. On the Panasonic US web site iin the online user manual it lists what is included

1 Remote control
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1 HDMI Cable
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However, in the user manual that came with the player it lists this:

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2 Batteries for remote control
1 AC power supply cord
(K2CB2YY00098)

I bought mine here in South Florida, no HDMI included.

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...and nothing else! Plus, you couldn't even see the standby LED if you were > 5 feet from the player! A bit too minimalist...

One of the reasons I got the Panasonic and so far am happy that I did. If I don't wind up selling the Samsung I will keep it for the bedroom because at some point I will be getting a 4K TV for that room.

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THX doesn't publish the specifications that certified devices are supposed to meet, so their certification tells consumers nothing. My old JVC RS60 had a dedicated THX mode that was supposed to be factory calibrated to their standards, whatever those were. The image in that mode had a slight green tinge to it and was undersaturated. If their specs aren't published and manufacturers won't guarantee that those specs have been met, then it's a pretty worthless standard IMO...
It's not perfect, but they do verify many of the output settings do what they are supposed, without noise reduction, etc... being forced, also things like not clipping white or black. My THX tivo I had also came with test patterns which was neat.

On displays, the "THX Mode" generally meant the gamut was accurate, but had nothing to do with grayscale. On the THX panny plasma's for instance, that mode usually had the most accurate color before they started adding CMS controls, but a grayscale cal was still required.
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It's not perfect, but they do verify many of the output settings do what they are supposed, without noise reduction, etc... being forced, also things like not clipping white or black. My THX tivo I had also came with test patterns which was neat.

On displays, the "THX Mode" generally meant the gamut was accurate, but had nothing to do with grayscale. On the THX panny plasma's for instance, that mode usually had the most accurate color before they started adding CMS controls, but a grayscale cal was still required.
I was just making the point that if THX doesn't reveal to consumers the specifications that THX Certified devices must meet, and if manufacturers can't be held to account if their products don't meet or exceed those stated specifications, then it's a meaningless certification.

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I was just making the point that if THX doesn't reveal to consumers the specifications that THX Certified devices must meet, and if manufacturers can't be held to account if their products don't meet or exceed those stated specifications, then it's a meaningless certification.
And I was just making the point that if a device is certified by THX, it did receive testing from THX and many of the test are actually a good thing. Regardless of what they tell the customer, or don't.
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Can anybody speak to the UB900 for standard BD playback vs the Oppo 103D? I am thinking of selling my 103D and using the Panasonic as my primary disc player. The eventual plan is to pair it with a Sony Z9, so I'm thinking any loss of sharpness brought by the exclusion of the Darbee chip would be ameliorated by the superior processing of the Sony TV.

Still have my BDT500, and although it doesn't get a ton of use, it works great.
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For 1080p content, Darbee Vision processing continues to provide a PQ enhancement on 4K displays, as long as you keep the signal 1080p and let the display perform the final up-conversion. Although I don't have the UB900, my guess would be that for standard BD playback, the 103D would still outperform the Panasonic.

What would be nice, of course, would be an external Darblet that could process 4K signals, or a UHD Oppo with built-in Darbee Vision...
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I have the Panasonic UB900 and Oppo 103D. Both are connected to the same TV, a Sony X900a. The UB900 is connected to HDMI 4 while the 103D is connected to a DVDO DUO in passthru mode to HDMI 1. The UB900 is upscaling standard blu-rays to 4K while the 103D is applying Darbee processing and sending a 1080p image to the TV and letting the Sony X900a do the 4K up scaling.

Take this as a grain of salt, as a lot will depend on how well your TV up scales 1080p to 4K. Yesterday my brother and I compared the standard blu-ray of Batman vs Superman up scaled by the UB900 against the 103D allowing the TV to do the up scaling. To both our eyes the 103D upscaled by the TV produced the sharper image. It was not night and day different, but noticeable. I could not try the 103D doing the upscaling to 4K as the DVDO Duo will only pass thru 1080p.
Not a perfect comparison, but I thought people might be interested.


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Hello there.
So are there any UB900 owners, capable of getting the darkest shades of gray visible with the UB900 connected to a HDR-capable JVC-Projector?


Or ist the K8500 still the only Option when you don't wanna see blacks crushing?


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I am just trying to get some clarification as to what the proper settings are on the Panasonic 4K player with my Sony 940C TV. Basically I have been leaving everything on the players default setting but there are only two settings I am not sure that the default setting is optimal? The first one is the 4K 60P output of which the default is "Off" with the other two choices being "4k/60P (4:4:4)" and "4K/60P (4:2:0)". I read that all 4K disc's are 24P so the "Off" setting seems correct for 4K but what about 1080 bluray disc's would the "4K/60P (4:4:4) be the better choice) since my TV appears to be capable of this setting choice? I was concerned since I read about some banding happening with this setting. The second setting I'm not sure of and that is the default setting of "Auto" for Deep Color? The message below the setting choices recommend to leave this on the default setting of Auto. With the Samsung player the consensus was to leave Deep Color set to "off". I should say that I have played a couple of 4K disc's and 1080 disc's and they looked fine with all settings on the default choice.

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Watched my first blu ray movie on the Panny tonight connected to my LG E6. For the record, I did own the Samsung UHD player, which I sold, and still own the Phillips and OPPO 103D. When upscaling to 4K, IMO it did better than the others, and significantly better than the OPPO and the LG.
Can you expound on the differences a bit? I'm trying to decide between the Philips and this player and $400 is a hell of a difference (I could buy a significant chunk of the UHD discs out there with that difference.)

I have a 65" C6, so a similar display as you. The Panasonic has a lot of stuff that I really won't need which would be inflating the price for me. I don't need all of the audio outputs since I have a receiver that can decode all the formats out there. I don't need the music audio handling either. I would also prefer a smaller player. I just need something that will play UHD blu-rays and upscale regular blu-rays with quality that will not short change my display.

If you aren't pausing and pixel peeping, can you really spot the difference between the Philips and Panasonic in regards to video quality?
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Hello there.
So are there any UB900 owners, capable of getting the darkest shades of gray visible with the UB900 connected to a HDR-capable JVC-Projector?

Or ist the K8500 still the only Option when you don't wanna see blacks crushing?

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Being able to see the darkest shades of grey (not crushing black) is a function of your display's gamma/EOTF - not the player. It's also dependent on a properly adjusted Brightness (black level) setting.

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Just in case somebody wonder. UB900 have subtitle shift both with Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray. They have also implemented user defined brightnesscontrol on the subtitles. Haven´t seen that before
Can someone confirm this? The user manual doesn't mention this at all.
Both, the shift and brightness control, are important to me.
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Both, the shift and brightness control, are important to me.
Confirmed. It has shift and brightness control.
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Confirmed. It has shift and brightness control.
Thanks! That's great because now I don't have to wait for Oppo. I wonder why the user manual doesn't mention those...
I can't see the shift functionality in your pictures but I guess it is in some other menu?
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I have the Panasonic UB900 and Oppo 103D. Both are connected to the same TV, a Sony X900a. The UB900 is connected to HDMI 4 while the 103D is connected to a DVDO DUO in passthru mode to HDMI 1. The UB900 is upscaling standard blu-rays to 4K while the 103D is applying Darbee processing and sending a 1080p image to the TV and letting the Sony X900a do the 4K up scaling.

Take this as a grain of salt, as a lot will depend on how well your TV up scales 1080p to 4K. Yesterday my brother and I compared the standard blu-ray of Batman vs Superman up scaled by the UB900 against the 103D allowing the TV to do the up scaling. To both our eyes the 103D upscaled by the TV produced the sharper image. It was not night and day different, but noticeable. I could not try the 103D doing the upscaling to 4K as the DVDO Duo will only pass thru 1080p.
Not a perfect comparison, but I thought people might be interested.


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If you turn off the Darbee Effect on the 103D and then compare to the Panny, the Panny will look better. Of course, the whole point of the 103D is using the Darbee effect. So yes, the 103D will look better.
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Can you expound on the differences a bit? I'm trying to decide between the Philips and this player and $400 is a hell of a difference (I could buy a significant chunk of the UHD discs out there with that difference.)

I have a 65" C6, so a similar display as you. The Panasonic has a lot of stuff that I really won't need which would be inflating the price for me. I don't need all of the audio outputs since I have a receiver that can decode all the formats out there. I don't need the music audio handling either. I would also prefer a smaller player. I just need something that will play UHD blu-rays and upscale regular blu-rays with quality that will not short change my display.

If you aren't pausing and pixel peeping, can you really spot the difference between the Philips and Panasonic in regards to video quality?
You will be more than happy with the Phillips. No difference between the Panny and the Phillips with regards to UHD. What make the Panny a liitle better for regular blu ray is it has more picture controls. The ability to send 4:2:2 12 bits for standard blu ray vs just 4:4:4 8 bit on the Phillips. Probably not significant for our 10 bit panels. The ability to adjust sharpness, chroma, contrast etc in the player. Will those added features produce a significantly better picture vs the Phillips? No, just slightly better. So is the Panny $400 better than the Phillips? No if audio is not important. Buy the Phillips and use the $400 saved for buying 15 UHD movies.
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The ability to send 4:2:2 12 bits for standard blu ray vs just 4:4:4 8 bit on the Panny.
Does the Samsung do this as well or can the Samsung only facilitate 4:4:4 at 8?

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Does the Samsung do this as well or can the Samsung only facilitate 4:4:4 at 8?

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I don't have the Sammy anymore, but what from I can recall, it can't be set to send 4:2:2 12 bit for standard blu ray. I corrected my previous post. The Panny can send 4:2:2 12 bit for blu ray, not the Phillips. It can only do 4:4:4 8 bits with standard blu ray.
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I am just trying to get some clarification as to what the proper settings are on the Panasonic 4K player with my Sony 940C TV. Basically I have been leaving everything on the players default setting but there are only two settings I am not sure that the default setting is optimal? The first one is the 4K 60P output of which the default is "Off" with the other two choices being "4k/60P (4:4:4)" and "4K/60P (4:2:0)". I read that all 4K disc's are 24P so the "Off" setting seems correct for 4K but what about 1080 bluray disc's would the "4K/60P (4:4:4) be the better choice) since my TV appears to be capable of this setting choice? I was concerned since I read about some banding happening with this setting. The second setting I'm not sure of and that is the default setting of "Auto" for Deep Color? The message below the setting choices recommend to leave this on the default setting of Auto. With the Samsung player the consensus was to leave Deep Color set to "off". I should say that I have played a couple of 4K disc's and 1080 disc's and they looked fine with all settings on the default choice.

Any advice on this or should I just leave these two settings that I am uncertain about on the default setting. I guess I could try calling Panasonic for advice but I think there is more people with expertise here on this forum. I would appreciate any feedback.

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Any advice on this or should I just leave these two settings that I am uncertain about on the default setting. I guess I could try calling Panasonic for advice but I think there is more people with expertise here on this forum. I would appreciate any feedback.
I leave everything @"default" except I turned "Deep Color" OFF (and I tweaked one 3D setting). Everything looks good to me...you can check my equipment list below. YMMV

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I leave everything @"default" except I turned "Deep Color" OFF (and I tweaked one 3D setting). Everything looks good to me...you can check my equipment list below. YMMV
That is what I did, basically.
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I leave everything @"default" except I turned "Deep Color" OFF (and I tweaked one 3D setting). Everything looks good to me...you can check my equipment list below. YMMV

Thanks guys, so I think I will do the same as for Deep Color just turn it off. I would have done that to begin with if the there wasn't a note at the bottom of the setting choices recommending to leave it on the Auto setting. Everything I have read says that it was a technology that was never actually used in any discs. I have yet to watch 3D on this player, that will be the next thing I do. than I need to check out how it does with CD playback, and how the m/c analogs sound compared to HDMI, good part of the reason I got this player.

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Hey Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any experience playing M2TS and/or MKV files via HDD through USB port.

The unit will play these files but my Onkyo PR-SC5508 Processor will not decode the DTS Master HD or Dolby True HD audio bitstream which is fed by the HDMI Audio Out from the Panny.

I have tried various settings without success. Was hoping someone can shed some light on this. My Oppo BDP-93 (pre firmaware ugrade that disables 3D ISO playback) has no issues with outputting a bitstream to the Onkyo.


For video I am sending a direct feed to my Epson TW-9300 (6040UB equivalent) via a 4 year old 40ft Wireworld Ultraviolet 6 HDMI cable as my Onkyo Processor cannot pass 4K HDR.

Any assistance would be welcome....
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If you turn off the Darbee Effect on the 103D and then compare to the Panny, the Panny will look better. Of course, the whole point of the 103D is using the Darbee effect. So yes, the 103D will look better.
That would be a fair assessment.

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Yes, I have had my Stewart Studiomatte 1.3 screen for several years now with 3 different Sony projectors. It gives splendid resuts with the 665ES projector even in low lamp mode.

I think you will be very pleased with the Panasonic UBD900/Sony 665ES combination. The only issue I have encountered is that I am not able to view streaming content from Amazon video that has HDR because the Panasonic 900 streams ALL video at 60p and the combination of HDR+WCG+HDR exceeds the bandwidth capability of the Sony 665ES. However, even without HDR, the image from all streaming content on the Panasonic 900 is the best that I have ever seen exceeding the qulaity of streaming content from the Samsung K8500 or the Roku 4 box.

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@TomWheeler I got my Stewart Neve screen and Panasonic UBD900 and LOVE the combo with this projector! Thanks for the advice on the screen. I have an interesting observation about the Netflix 60p/HDR on this combo. I have an LG 65" OLED with Netflix built in, and it streams 60P+HDR and it looks incredible. I watched all of Marco Polo on Netflix swapping between the LG and my Sony 665+UBD900, and it is amazing how different this same content looks on the two different setups. I am in the minority of people who dislike high framerate content. I think it makes everything look like cheap 80s PBS videotape, or soap operas. That said, on my LG 60FPS+HDR+4K is AMAZINGLY clear. The throne rooms with the rays of light shining in are just amazingly 3D looking in HDR. That said, I hate the smooth motion of the 60 FPS. To me it looks like videotape instead of film.

Switch to streaming Marco Polo on my Sony 665+the UBD900: still 4K, not HDR, and NOT 60 FPS. I know the Sony says the signal is "/60", but it is absolutely not the same hyper-clear smooth motion Marco Polo as it is on my LG OLED, and it's not just the HDR making a difference. It looks like film on the Sony. I tried playing around with the "impulse" and reality creation settings to see if they were somehow masking the effects of 60P motion, but they aren't. What I think is happening is the Panasonic is only getting Netflix in 4K/24-30P, and then it may be outputting to the Sony at 60, but with no more actual frame data.

I miss HDR on the Panasonic/Sony. It's really put to good use in Marco Polo. That said, I don't miss real 60P at all. Which setup looks better for Marco Polo? My Sony projects onto a 123" screen in a full Dolby Atmos setup, whereas my LG is in a bedroom with a soundbar. The LG is untouchable for picture quality, but it's "only" 65 inches and I really wish I could turn the HFR off. So in the end, I prefer watching it on the Sony/Panasonic, if only a little and heavily skewed by the sound. But maybe that will make you feel less like you're missing out with the Panasonic. Or Maybe not.

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Thanks guys, so I think I will do the same as for Deep Color just turn it off. I would have done that to begin with if the there wasn't a note at the bottom of the setting choices recommending to leave it on the Auto setting. Everything I have read says that it was a technology that was never actually used in any discs. I have yet to watch 3D on this player, that will be the next thing I do. than I need to check out how it does with CD playback, and how the m/c analogs sound compared to HDMI, good part of the reason I got this player.
I thought turning "deep color" OFF is No NO for UHD discs. Maybe for regular BD discs.
Am i correct?
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You will be more than happy with the Phillips. No difference between the Panny and the Phillips with regards to UHD. What make the Panny a liitle better for regular blu ray is it has more picture controls. The ability to send 4:2:2 12 bits for standard blu ray vs just 4:4:4 8 bit on the Phillips. Probably not significant for our 10 bit panels. The ability to adjust sharpness, chroma, contrast etc in the player. Will those added features produce a significantly better picture vs the Phillips? No, just slightly better. So is the Panny $400 better than the Phillips? No if audio is not important. Buy the Phillips and use the $400 saved for buying 15 UHD movies.
Thanks for the feedback, that's what my gut was telling me anyways.
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Being able to see the darkest shades of grey (not crushing black) is a function of your display's gamma/EOTF - not the player. It's also dependent on a properly adjusted Brightness (black level) setting.


I know...that crushing blacks etc. may have something to do with Brightness Settings...


But sorry...
With the K8500 Player there is no such propblem with the JVC X-Series Projectors.
So...no one here using the Panny with a JVC?


There is no way to make the darkest shades of gray visible by using Brightness or Gamma Controls on the JVC as Long as you use the UB900.
The "Gamma"-D-Mode on the JVC is supposed to be the correct EOTF "Gamma" and at least with the K8500 it works...


I just hoped there was someone who found a solution...


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I thought turning "deep color" OFF is No NO for UHD discs. Maybe for regular BD discs.
Am i correct?

Maybe that's why the note at the bottom of the setting choices for Deep Color recommend the Auto setting, which is the default setting, since they imagine this player will be mostly used for 4K discs. Also wouldn't the "Auto" setting turn itself off when not needed and on when it is, I thought that is what an Auto setting is supposed to do. Maybe I am miss-informed about how the "Auto setting works. When I get a chance I am going to give the online chat with Panasonic a try to see if I can pick there brain about that. If I get any useful info I will pass it on.

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You dont use Deep Color in the player, but you need the HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color setting or whatever your panel calls it ON. If off, many panels will report they are only 8 bit.
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@TomWheeler I got my Stewart Neve screen and Panasonic UBD900 and LOVE the combo with this projector! Thanks for the advice on the screen. I have an interesting observation about the Netflix 60p/HDR on this combo. I have an LG 65" OLED with Netflix built in, and it streams 60P+HDR and it looks incredible. I watched all of Marco Polo on Netflix swapping between the LG and my Sony 665+UBD900, and it is amazing how different this same content looks on the two different setups. I am in the minority of people who dislike high framerate content. I think it makes everything look like cheap 80s PBS videotape, or soap operas. That said, on my LG 60FPS+HDR+4K is AMAZINGLY clear. The throne rooms with the rays of light shining in are just amazingly 3D looking in HDR. That said, I hate the smooth motion of the 60 FPS. To me it looks like videotape instead of film.

Switch to streaming Marco Polo on my Sony 665+the UBD900: still 4K, not HDR, and NOT 60 FPS. I know the Sony says the signal is "/60", but it is absolutely not the same hyper-clear smooth motion Marco Polo as it is on my LG OLED, and it's not just the HDR making a difference. It looks like film on the Sony. I tried playing around with the "impulse" and reality creation settings to see if they were somehow masking the effects of 60P motion, but they aren't. What I think is happening is the Panasonic is only getting Netflix in 4K/24-30P, and then it may be outputting to the Sony at 60, but with no more actual frame data.

I miss HDR on the Panasonic/Sony. It's really put to good use in Marco Polo. That said, I don't miss real 60P at all. Which setup looks better for Marco Polo? My Sony projects onto a 123" screen in a full Dolby Atmos setup, whereas my LG is in a bedroom with a soundbar. The LG is untouchable for picture quality, but it's "only" 65 inches and I really wish I could turn the HFR off. So in the end, I prefer watching it on the Sony/Panasonic, if only a little and heavily skewed by the sound. But maybe that will make you feel less like you're missing out with the Panasonic. Or Maybe not.
JediStitch,

I am glad to hear that you are pleased with the new Stewart screen. Stewart has been making projection screens for a long time and I have never been unhappy with any Stewart screen that I have purchased over the years. I envy your ability to watch Marco Polo on Netflix with HDR and WCG on your LG. While I get a nice picture of Marco Polo on the Panasonic UBD900 and on my Roku 4 box, neither of those two sources or my Samsung K8500 have a Netflix application that enables HDR + WCG on Netflix. I am hopeful that future app updates to either the Samsung K8500 or the Panasonic UBD900 will enable HDR + WCG. I don't understand why Panasonic chose to stream everything at 60 fps when virtually all of this material was originally recorded at 24 fps.

Do enjoy your Sony 665ES and new Sewart screen!

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I think some here are confusing the decade old spec for "Deep Color" that never really took off,
vs the new Wide Color Gambit on the new 4K/UHD/HDR Blurays.

...they are NOT the same thing,

if having DC turned on or set to auto causes banding on your TV, turn it off, simple.
If it doesn't effect your TV/Projector leaving it on/off or auto will make zero difference.

You won't lose HDR/WCG from your 4K BD's by turning Deep Color off.
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