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The 900 does not have "Source Direct".
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I have not seen a "Source Direct" option in the settings menu. Have you compared the up-scaling on the player to your TV?
I don't have a UHD player yet. I perticipate in this thread only to learn about the player before making a decision.

The reason I asked specifically about source direct is my understanding that is this is how you defeat any up-scaling from happening on the player. If you can't defeat up-scaling, how can you compare where in the video signal path the best up-scaling happens? Is there some other up-scaling on/off setting?
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For those who don't have one yet and want to know more...

You can still browse through the pdf manual:

Panasonic DMP-UB900

Page 29 has the video options available for the setup menu
almost every option has an auto or off selection, so you don't "have to" upscale everything to 4K
I believe the initial setup once you connect your display does several resolution tests to best determine the auto output.
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I don't have a UHD player yet. I perticipate in this thread only to learn about the player before making a decision.

The reason I asked specifically about source direct is my understanding that is this is how you defeat any up-scaling from happening on the player. If you can't defeat up-scaling, how can you compare where in the video signal path the best up-scaling happens? Is there some other up-scaling on/off setting?
You just set the Panny to 1080p or 2160p forced. Source Direct, other than players that add their own hidden processing (Samsung) really just offers ease of always knowing the player is outputting what the source is, without having to change a setting each time.

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do 4K Blu-rays look better on the Panasonic then they do on the Samsung K8500? Compared to my Oppo 103D the K8500 appears more dim and less vibrant than the Oppo with discs.
ALL 3 brands of player needed significant contrast boosts to get a decent average picture level with my Sony projector, and the Samsung I'm now using with my LG OLED still needed a bit of boost.

It's hard to answer your question about picture quality though because the one thing I don't like about the Panasonic is you must output at 4K all the time with it. There is no "native" or "source direct" mode - it upscales everything. The Samsung on "auto" would output blu-rays at 1080P, the Panasonic only uses "auto" to detect your TVs capability and then it locks it at that. You can force it back to 1080P in the output every time you put in a blu-ray, then back to 4K every time you run 4K, but that's a pain.

That said, the upscaling in the Panasonic is excellent. I love the "reality creation" engine in my sony projector for upscaling - I think it's the best and want to use it. It upscaled from the Panasonic and Philips really well on blu-rays. But without a side by side, I honestly couldn't find any fault with the Panasonics upscaling. It's almost as good as the projectors. I would just prefer Panasonic give us the option to output the content's native signal format.

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You dont have to output 4K "all the time". Change the resolution to 1080p if you want.
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You dont have to output 4K "all the time". Change the resolution to 1080p if you want.
I understand this. It would be convenient not to have to go in and change the setting, but not a big deal.
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ALL 3 brands of player needed significant contrast boosts to get a decent average picture level with my Sony projector, and the Samsung I'm now using with my LG OLED still needed a bit of boost.

It's hard to answer your question about picture quality though because the one thing I don't like about the Panasonic is you must output at 4K all the time with it. There is no "native" or "source direct" mode - it upscales everything. The Samsung on "auto" would output blu-rays at 1080P, the Panasonic only uses "auto" to detect your TVs capability and then it locks it at that. You can force it back to 1080P in the output every time you put in a blu-ray, then back to 4K every time you run 4K, but that's a pain.

That said, the upscaling in the Panasonic is excellent. I love the "reality creation" engine in my sony projector for upscaling - I think it's the best and want to use it. It upscaled from the Panasonic and Philips really well on blu-rays. But without a side by side, I honestly couldn't find any fault with the Panasonics upscaling. It's almost as good as the projectors. I would just prefer Panasonic give us the option to output the content's native signal format.

Jedi, the Samsung player's Auto setting works the same way as the Panasonics Auto setting Samsung however if you have a Samsung TV it does give you a feature that can circumvent that and will work like Source Direct, but since I don't have a Samsung TV I don't remember of hand what It's called.
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ALL 3 brands of player needed significant contrast boosts to get a decent average picture level with my Sony projector, and the Samsung I'm now using with my LG OLED still needed a bit of boost.

It's hard to answer your question about picture quality though because the one thing I don't like about the Panasonic is you must output at 4K all the time with it. There is no "native" or "source direct" mode - it upscales everything. The Samsung on "auto" would output blu-rays at 1080P, the Panasonic only uses "auto" to detect your TVs capability and then it locks it at that. You can force it back to 1080P in the output every time you put in a blu-ray, then back to 4K every time you run 4K, but that's a pain.

That said, the upscaling in the Panasonic is excellent. I love the "reality creation" engine in my sony projector for upscaling - I think it's the best and want to use it. It upscaled from the Panasonic and Philips really well on blu-rays. But without a side by side, I honestly couldn't find any fault with the Panasonics upscaling. It's almost as good as the projectors. I would just prefer Panasonic give us the option to output the content's native signal format.
What kind of boost did you give the Samsung K8500 when you used it? What setting did you change and to what?
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As far as I can tell there is no way to save a particular setting dependent on whether you are playing a 4K disc or a 1080 disc, maybe I am not looking in the right place but at least I haven't seen away to do it in the settings menu. As far as the 4K/60P setting I have just left that on Off since 4K discs are 24P. I actually haven't compared using the 4:4:4 option when watching 1080 disc's and am curious about that. As far as Deep Color I have that turned to Off. Although if the default Auto setting works the way I always thought Auto should work, which is to turn on when it's called for and turn itself off when not I can't see any harm in leaving it on the default Auto setting. Maybe someone else could chime in on that?[/QUOTE]

After playing hour with BD and UHD discs with my Sony 940C tv, i leave deep color on for both of them and for BD discs i think choosing 4K/60p 4:4:4 gives you the best option and UHD discs you have to take 4K/60p off for both 4:4:4 or 4:2:0. Picture very good for both playback BD or UHD.
I have one question, in this picture what are those lines about the status of playback, I mean what is the differences it show first line 4:2:0 10 bit third line 4:2:2 12 bit
Here is the picture





Sorry pictures are from the phone and i didn't pay attention
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The first line is what video the player is reading off the disc
The second line is the audio on the disc

The third line is what the player is outputting
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The first line is what video the player is reading off the disc
The second line is the audio on the disc

The third line is what the player is outputting
Thank you, first and third line made me confused. Thanks for clearing up

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It is actually one of the better playback info popups I have seen.
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As far as I can tell there is no way to save a particular setting dependent on whether you are playing a 4K disc or a 1080 disc, maybe I am not looking in the right place but at least I haven't seen away to do it in the settings menu. As far as the 4K/60P setting I have just left that on Off since 4K discs are 24P. I actually haven't compared using the 4:4:4 option when watching 1080 disc's and am curious about that. As far as Deep Color I have that turned to Off. Although if the default Auto setting works the way I always thought Auto should work, which is to turn on when it's called for and turn itself off when not I can't see any harm in leaving it on the default Auto setting. Maybe someone else could chime in on that?
After playing hour with BD and UHD discs with my Sony 940C tv, i leave deep color on for both of them and for BD discs i think choosing 4K/60p 4:4:4 gives you the best option and UHD discs you have to take 4K/60p off for both 4:4:4 or 4:2:0. Picture very good for both playback BD or UHD.
I have one question, in this picture what are those lines about the status of playback, I mean what is the differences it show first line 4:2:0 10 bit third line 4:2:2 12 bit
Here is the picture





Sorry pictures are from the phone and i didn't pay attention[/QUOTE]


As far as I know all 4K discs to date are 2160/24P, but I could be mistaken. If in fact that is the case than the 4K/60P 4:4:4 or 4:2:0 would not even come into play. I'm not sure about just regular Blu Ray. I need to take a look at that my self.

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The UB900 is up-converting regular, HD blu rays beautifully. Panny's operation
menu shows 4K/24 BT709 at 4:4:4 12 SDR. The picture on my JVC X750 looks great using those settings in the player. The problem I'm having is occasional cut-outs, where the screen goes blank for a few seconds. I've never had that problem with any other player this player never does it when playing a UHD disc.

I'd like to keep those settings in the player. Anyone have any ideas on how to keep the settings but still avoid the blah outs.
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As far as I know all 4K discs to date are 2160/24P, but I could be mistaken. If in fact that is the case than the 4K/60P 4:4:4 or 4:2:0 would not even come into play. I'm not sure about just regular Blu Ray. I need to take a look at that my self.[/QUOTE]

As far as UHD discs concerns Panasonic doing an amazing job, i set it up deep color on for all the discs playbacks and UHD disc i turned 4k/60p off, picture couldn't be better seems like.
But BD discs i'm still playing around with all the options and seems like i get little judder in every setting, like little pixels distortion or what, i tried every option 4k/60p 444 and 420 and 4k/60p off seems like almost same, couldn't get smooth like UHD discs (maybe the movie i tried with had something to do with it also i don't know).
Maybe someone can join in and give us an idea what might be the optimum setting for BD or even UHD.
Some different BD playback options (mix setups, 4K/60p 444 and 420 and 4K/60p off)






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For UHD/HDR 10-bit content, black is represented by bit 64, reference white is bit 509, and the max HDR luminance is bit 940. If a pixel is supposed to be black, then the RGB triplet for that pixel will be encoded as 64.64.64. If a pixel is the shade of grey just above black, its RGB triplet will be 65.65.65. For a player to crush black it would have to take the 65.65.65 triplet that's on the media and output it as 64.64.64. Assuming that the player's Brightness control is zero'ed out, no player would do that.

EDIT: I see in the owner's manual that the UB900 has some gamma controls in its Picture Settings -> Luminance/Color Adjustment menu. I'm guessing that the "Black Gamma" option in that menu would allow you to minimize or eliminate black crush. Typically those issues should be resolved with the display's settings (calibration) rather than in the player, but the UB900 has that flexibility if you need it.




Thank you for the hint towards the "Black Gamma" Option!


I already tried the brightness controls on the player without success.
I know that normaly the Player won`t be the reason.


As the UB900 only Outputs HDR with 12bit (upsampling) I thought there might be a faulty interpretation (65 vs. 64) of these upsampled values.
While the black crushing is not there or at least not as bad with the Samsung Player this might be the source of the issue.
Samsung only uses 10bit - and it works.


I know the new Laserprojektor from JVC does work with the UB900 very well....so it seems to be clear that the JVC is to blame...


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But BD discs i'm still playing around with all the options and seems like i get little judder in every setting, like little pixels distortion or what, i tried every option 4k/60p 444 and 420 and 4k/60p off seems like almost same, couldn't get smooth like UHD discs (maybe the movie i tried with had something to do with it also i don't know).
Maybe someone can join in and give us an idea what might be the optimum setting for BD or even UHD.
Some different BD playback options (mix setups, 4K/60p 444 and 420 and 4K/60p off)


Try turning Deep Color off when playing BD discs with the 4K/60P 4:4:4 or 4:2:0. I Seem to remember reading on this forum that fixed the issue they were having.

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2160p24 4:2:0 10-bit is what's on the disc, but the player always has to modify that because it's not a valid format for HDMI:



2160p24 4:2:2 12-bit is the preferred output format because of its low 8.9 Gbps data rate. Marginal HDMI cables or equipment with 9 Gbps input boards (eg. Radiance Pro) should have better reliability using that lower bandwidth format. I've never experienced or read about any video degradation related to outputting 12-bit versus 10-bit, so unless you have info to the contrary, I'd say go for that Panny...


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Probably due to the fact that I've not had my morning coffee yet, but what are we looking at here? Noticed you have a DLA750, I have a DLA550...are you still saying the Panny is best due to the 12bit?

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Can the UB900 be used to playback 4k uhd blurays on a regular 1080p tv (hdmi 1 .4) and if so is the quality of it's downscaler as good as the quality of it's upscaler?

I suppose this player can also playback movie mkv files and other formats?
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My preliminary experience with DMP-UB900

I recently owned Panasonic DMP-UB900.
The picture is fantastic.
My TV is: Samsung UE78HU8500L
AVR is: Denon AVR-X5200W

As long as I am concerned Denon AVR-5200W is capable of transmitting UHD Videos (4:4:4 60/50). So first I tried to connect Denon between Panasonic DMP-UB900 and Samsung UE78. It worked well.
Then I looked for getting better picture by connecting the Panasonic DMP-UB900 directly to Samsung TV but making audio connection through HDML Cable (all high speed) to Denon AVR. In this case Denon Misses the Audio to transmit in synchrony.
This may be a software problem to be corrected. When Panasonic DMP-UB900is directly connected to Samsung TV, I think there is no difference when compared with the connection through Denon.
In each case there is a reminder to connect it to UHD TV or AVR.
I will be happy to read experiences on connecting devices.
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I recently owned Panasonic DMP-UB900.
The picture is fantastic.
My TV is: Samsung UE78HU8500L
AVR is: Denon AVR-X5200W

As long as I am concerned Denon AVR-5200W is capable of transmitting UHD Videos (4:4:4 60/50). So first I tried to connect Denon between Panasonic DMP-UB900 and Samsung UE78. It worked well.
Then I looked for getting better picture by connecting the Panasonic DMP-UB900 directly to Samsung TV but making audio connection through HDML Cable (all high speed) to Denon AVR. In this case Denon Misses the Audio to transmit in synchrony.
This may be a software problem to be corrected.
When Panasonic DMP-UB900is directly connected to Samsung TV, I think there is no difference when compared with the connection through Denon.
In each case there is a reminder to connect it to UHD TV or AVR.
I will be happy to read experiences on connecting devices.
If the lip sync is off when your player is connected directly to the display, go into your AVR's Settings menu -> Audio -> Audio Delay. Increase the audio delay until the lip sync is correct.

The Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark Blu-ray has some A/V Sync test patterns that can help with the lip sync adjustment.

* The UB900 also has an Audio Delay feature which you can use instead of the Denon's if you prefer.
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Great information and a lot to read. the Chart you sent doesn't really help with my confusion. So I was wondering if you have any input regarding the 4K/60P output setting choices where the default setting is "Off" Should I just leave that on the "OFF" setting for 4K but is it better to change it to 4K/60P (4:4:4) or 4K/60P (4:2:0) for regular bluray?

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Can the UB900 be used to playback 4k uhd blurays on a regular 1080p tv (hdmi 1 .4) and if so is the quality of it's downscaler as good as the quality of it's upscaler?

I suppose this player can also playback movie mkv files and other formats?
Anybody can do a quick test to answer my question above please, mainly if i can play uhd discs on a 1080p hdmi 1.4?

Even if that sounds a waste i'm interested to know because i find 4k source to look better than 1080p on my 1080p tv because of the quality of the source.
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post #1557 of 4780 Old 09-15-2016, 03:20 PM
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Playback Problem

I've been using my UB900 for about 3 weeks now - it replaced a Samsung K9500 player. Initially I played only 4k discs but last weekend I thought that I would try some older blu-ray movies. The first one that I tried was Prometheus. It was playing just fine and the picture was excellent and at about the 25 minute mark the picture started to break up and then froze. Nothing I could do do get it back - tried reloading, powering off completely and re-inserting the disc but nothing.

What was happening was, after I removed the Prometheus disc and turned the power off then on, re-inserted the disc and started the movie again, I got the screen message "Network Connection Starting" and then after a few seconds the following screen message popped-up:

This feature requires Local Storage (memory card of other device). Your Blu-ray Player supports Local Storage but none is currently installed. Please consult your Blu-ray Player Manual or Player Support Website for information on installing Local Storage. Required Local Storage Capacity: 353 KB or larger.

It then gave me an option to either "Continue" or"Try Again". Clicking either one of these just started the process over again.

So I gave up, went out and bought an SD Card, put it in and everything works now.

Not sure what caused all this. Before I put in the SD Card I tried another older non-4k blu-ray (Ex_Machina) and it ran fine.

Anyone know what happened here?
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post #1558 of 4780 Old 09-15-2016, 03:26 PM
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Maybe someone can help...

HDR Netfix content detected by my Sony Z9D - Cosmos Laundromat for example. The TV Netfix app.

If I switch to watch the same thing via the Netfix app in my UB900 doesn't play back in HDR.

Why is that?
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post #1559 of 4780 Old 09-15-2016, 03:49 PM
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Great information and a lot to read. the Chart you sent doesn't really help with my confusion. So I was wondering if you have any input regarding the 4K/60P output setting choices where the default setting is "Off" Should I just leave that on the "OFF" setting for 4K but is it better to change it to 4K/60P (4:4:4) or 4K/60P (4:2:0) for regular bluray?
In the UB900 Setup menu, select HDMI -> 4K(50p/60p) Output -> 4K(50p/60p) 4:4:4. That will output UHD Blu-rays at 2160p24 4:2:2 12-bit. I didn't check to see how that setting outputs standard Blu-rays, but the images looked great with that setting regardless.

Of course settings that work well on my display (JVC pj) may not be optimal on yours. If the setting I recommended has issues on your display, try the other options.
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What posts within this thread can help me with settings around HDR and playback that does not present a "Soap Opera Effect".
I am too use to the original bluray and Plasmas 24fps solid performance.

I don't find those Video settings with the UB900 all that straight forward. "Auto or Off".

Any recommendations?
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