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So now that HDR10 is working from Netflix, when will the K8500 get an update to enable HDR from Netflix and Amazon?
This is great news. What shows do (or will) be using HDR10 from Netflix?

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Um, ya know what. Let's get right to the chase.

Here's a pdf from Sony themselves explaining hdr with screenshots of spiderman sdr vs hdr

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Https://docs.sony.com/release/HDRTD10_handbook.pdf

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How is your system cabled? When I first got my Samsung 4K Blu-ray player, I mistakenly ran the HDMI cable from the Blu-ray player to a non-HDMI 2.0 port on my AV receiver and then from the AV receiver to my TV. With this setup, the Samsung Netflix app did not support UHD. However, as soon as rearranged the HDMI cables so that everything was going through HDMI 2.0 or above ports, UHD content appeared in the Netflix app.

I am using both HDMI outputs since my pre/pro does not pass 4K. I also called Netflix regarding this and they said that the 4K shows are in fact 4K but they just don't have them tagged as such like Amazon does. Is this correct or do you see the 4k or UHD tag on the shows?
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I am using both HDMI outputs since my pre/pro does not pass 4K. I also called Netflix regarding this and they said that the 4K shows are in fact 4K but they just don't have them tagged as such like Amazon does. Is this correct or do you see the 4k or UHD tag on the shows?
Whoever you talked to at Netflix doesn't know what they're talking about. UltraHD 4K shows up as a category in the Netflix menu and the shows in this category also contain an UltraHD 4K banner at the top of their description.
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Is there a menu item on the 8500, that increases the time before the picture goes into screen save mode. TIA
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Whoever you talked to at Netflix doesn't know what they're talking about. UltraHD 4K shows up as a category in the Netflix menu and the shows in this category also contain an UltraHD 4K banner at the top of their description.
If your device won't do 4k (if your player is set to 1080p or less), you won't see the UltraHD 4k option. If you are able to display UltraHD 4k, then it will show in the show (like HD does).

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This is great news. What shows do (or will) be using HDR10 from Netflix?
Marco Polo and Daredevil is all that I heard. But it only worked for me for a short time last night.

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Marco Polo and Daredevil is all that I heard. But it only worked for me for a short time last night.

I'm sure it is a lengthy process to get movies up there especially when there aren't many HDR graded titles and those that are out there probably won't go up on streaming sites without a purchase attached to them. I think that will take quite a while yet. I am sure they want to monetize the movies as heavily as they can right now.

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Um, ya know what. Let's get right to the chase.

Here's a pdf from Sony themselves explaining hdr with screenshots of spiderman sdr vs hdr

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...gZfUV5qFfq3OOQ
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Thanks for that article. This is exactly what I'm talking about. As you can see, the SDR pics are noticeably brighter than the HDR pics. This is what I see when I compare the 1080p bluray version to the 2160p UHD movie. Expendables 3 and The Last Witch Hunter are perfect examples. Kingsman doesn't have too much of a difference though. I guess that's how it's meant to be. I personally like more vibrant pics, but oh well... I digress.
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Whoever you talked to at Netflix doesn't know what they're talking about. UltraHD 4K shows up as a category in the Netflix menu and the shows in this category also contain an UltraHD 4K banner at the top of their description.

This is what I thought, also since when I hit the display button on my Sony 940C it's not showing the 4K resolution it's showing 1080I. I was able to find the 4K category but none of the shows are showing the UHD or 4K tag. I can try calling Netflix again or maybe I should be talking to Samsung?
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Thanks for that article. This is exactly what I'm talking about. As you can see, the SDR pics are noticeably brighter than the HDR pics. This is what I see when I compare the 1080p bluray version to the 2160p UHD movie. Expendables 3 and The Last Witch Hunter are perfect examples. Kingsman doesn't have too much of a difference though. I guess that's how it's meant to be. I personally like more vibrant pics, but oh well... I digress.
Is "brighter" really the right word? They are much less detailed in areas that should be dark. It doesn't make the picture more vibrant, instead it makes it too saturated with white. Does this make sense?
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This is what I thought, also since when I hit the display button on my Sony 940C it's not showing the 4K resolution it's showing 1080I. I was able to find the 4K category but none of the shows are showing the UHD or 4K tag. I can try calling Netflix again or maybe I should be talking to Samsung?
As of last night, the UHD titles on Netflix were tagged as such via the app on the BDP. I'll check when I get home and report back.
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What I do like is if you select the info on tv, it will say 4k for the bluray apps like Vudu and Netflix and Amazon. They look as good as any bluray. M Go won't play UHD on the bluray.

It's very hard to see the difference in UHD and Blu-ray but the color is better on a UHD disc.


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Thanks for the reply. Good advice, but that wasn't my particular issue. I just got it to work! What did the trick for me was to get the player to the Multimedia Storage screen, THEN plug the USB in. That brought up the new device recognized pop-up.

At the $50 I paid, this Video Pack is actually a great deal! Quite a bit of content (looks wonderful), the audio is only Dolby Plus(?), but I still recommend you all to get one!
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My question: Are the films in the Video Pack Rec.709 or P3? I tried both with WCG on and on Rec.709 and liked the color with the WCG but it seemed oversaturated. I know the films are all SDR. Still for $50 thre's a lot of good content on the Video Pack.

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Is "brighter" really the right word? They are much less detailed in areas that should be dark. It doesn't make the picture more vibrant, instead it makes it too saturated with white. Does this make sense?
The highlights basically washout all the detail surrounding them. That's the problem with how things used to be, before HDR. When you saw a bright light you didn't really see much else, same for reflections from the sun. You got a sort of over saturated white effect. This is gone and now they can show all the detail in the scene in a more realistic way.
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This is what I thought, also since when I hit the display button on my Sony 940C it's not showing the 4K resolution it's showing 1080I. I was able to find the 4K category but none of the shows are showing the UHD or 4K tag. I can try calling Netflix again or maybe I should be talking to Samsung?
Verified: the UHD titles on Netflix all show up with the "UHD 4K" banner, and they do play at 2160p. If you haven't done so already, and you're still not getting playback at the correct resolution, try resetting your player as well as your modem/router.
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This is what I thought, also since when I hit the display button on my Sony 940C it's not showing the 4K resolution it's showing 1080I. I was able to find the 4K category but none of the shows are showing the UHD or 4K tag. I can try calling Netflix again or maybe I should be talking to Samsung?
Let me see if I can help. A picture tells a thousand words so hopefully I don't have to add too many more.

So you have found the scrollable section containing all the 4k content. As mentioned, you will only see this section on a 4K device AND only if you are paying the up charge for Netflix 4K content (tha some of us were grandfathered into).

Now if you look carefully at the VERY TOP OF THE SCREEN on the attached thumbnail, on the same line as the 5 stars for Fuller House you will see the "tag" folks are taking about that says ULTRA HD 4K in capital letters.

While you are playing the movie you can press the INFO button on your remote and in the upper left hand corner it will display the speed the movie is streaming at.

If you have selected a 4K movie and it isn't displaying 2160 in the corner, your internet connection is either too slow or it may take a bit of time for it to spool up).

Press INFO again to remove the information from the top of the screen.

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Verified: the UHD titles on Netflix all show up with the "UHD 4K" banner, and they do play at 2160p. If you haven't done so already, and you're still not getting playback at the correct resolution, try resetting your player as well as your modem/router.
lol, this is the third time in as many days you and I have answered a question with back-to-back replies to the OP. Notice mine includes a demonstrative photo?!!


Here is one more photo showing a closeup of the ULTRA HD 4K banner for @mt14942 . And although it begs the answer as to how he could miss it, the bigger question is how does Fuller House score a 5 star rating?!!
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Chose to go through the trouble of hooking up my old player as another input than use the samsung player for 1080p disks, or anything other than 4K disks for that matter. Since it was blurring dark scenes no matter what since the last update, I will use this $400 curved brick as a UHD player only for the time being... and hope I don't see the problem there too...

Please light up the forums next time there's an update! I'll have to find another disk I own that easily shows the issue so I can see if it fixes the problem.
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As of last night, the UHD titles on Netflix were tagged as such via the app on the BDP. I'll check when I get home and report back.
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Verified: the UHD titles on Netflix all show up with the "UHD 4K" banner, and they do play at 2160p. If you haven't done so already, and you're still not getting playback at the correct resolution, try resetting your player as well as your modem/router.
Thanks for checking Rudy. I have talked to Netflix about this and they were trying to help by having me go to "Your Account" page and select "playback Settings" but we couldn't even navigate to my account to adjust the playback settings. I also went back to my Sony 940C Netflix app and I also couldn't find it there. that is where I need to get to change my data usage settings to High or Auto but unfortunately we could not even get to "Your Account" to do this and this is with the help of the Netflix support person.
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Thanks for checking Rudy. I have talked to Netflix about this and they were trying to help by having me go to "Your Account" page and select "playback Settings" but we couldn't even navigate to my account to adjust the playback settings. I also went back to my Sony 940C Netflix app and I also couldn't find it there. that is where I need to get to change my data usage settings to High or Auto but unfortunately we could not even get to "Your Account" to do this and this is with the help of the Netflix support person.
Try deleting the app and installing it again (if you can). It might need a refresh.

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It's a combination of people watching sdr too bright or how it's graded.

But in my opinion, and the opinion of many others, 100 nit is definitely not bright enough for a living room with the lights on. It's the reason why plasmas were always recommended for dark rooms, as they topped out around that 100 nit mark, give or take.

So yes, hdr is displaying correctly in a sense that it's how it's supposed to look, the problem is that how it's supposed to look is very different in a dark environment vs a bright one.

A bright sunny day shouldn't look dim and cloudy in hdr. It should look bright!

But 100 nits will look bright in the dark, not so bright if you have your lights on.

And I'll reiterate, there's only too solutions. 1 - studios grade hdr with lights on.

Or 2 - tvs give us the option to boost the low end up to higher nits so it doesn't look so dim.

LG is giving option 2 in the new oleds, which seems like the best scenario.
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I am using both HDMI outputs since my pre/pro does not pass 4K. I also called Netflix regarding this and they said that the 4K shows are in fact 4K but they just don't have them tagged as such like Amazon does. Is this correct or do you see the 4k or UHD tag on the shows?
Are you paying the extra $ for 4K service from Netflix? You won't see this tag if you aren't.
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Let me see if I can help. A picture tells a thousand words so hopefully I don't have to add too many more.

So you have found the scrollable section containing all the 4k content. As mentioned, you will only see this section on a 4K device AND only if you are paying the up charge for Netflix 4K content (tha some of us were grandfathered into).

Now if you look carefully at the VERY TOP OF THE SCREEN on the attached thumbnail, on the same line as the 5 stars for Fuller House you will see the "tag" folks are taking about that says ULTRA HD 4K in capital letters.

While you are playing the movie you can press the INFO button on your remote and in the upper left hand corner it will display the speed the movie is streaming at.

If you have selected a 4K movie and it isn't displaying 2160 in the corner, your internet connection is either too slow or it may take a bit of time for it to spool up).

Press INFO again to remove the information from the top of the screen.

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Thanks for checking Rudy. I have talked to Netflix about this and they were trying to help by having me go to "Your Account" page and select "playback Settings" but we couldn't even navigate to my account to adjust the playback settings. I also went back to my Sony 940C Netflix app and I also couldn't find it there. that is where I need to get to change my data usage settings to High or Auto but unfortunately we could not even get to "Your Account" to do this and this is with the help of the Netflix support person.
Check out this article...the instructions they give have worked for me in the recent past to resolve occasional issues with the Netflix app. If Netflix tech support didn't have you try any of these, you may want to give it a go:

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The highlights basically washout all the detail surrounding them. That's the problem with how things used to be, before HDR. When you saw a bright light you didn't really see much else, same for reflections from the sun. You got a sort of over saturated white effect. This is gone and now they can show all the detail in the scene in a more realistic way.
Although this will vary depending on the camera the content is shot with and how it's shot. If the camera doesn't capture that extra detail in the highlights HDR will never show it. I'm excited to see some content shot specifically for HDR with cameras like the Red Epic Dragon. Maybe Daredevil will be?

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lol, this is the third time in as many days you and I have answered a question with back-to-back replies to the OP. Notice mine includes a demonstrative photo?!!


Here is one more photo showing a closeup of the ULTRA HD 4K banner for @mt14942 . And although it begs the answer as to how he could miss it, the bigger question is how does Fuller House score a 5 star rating?!!
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Although this will vary depending on the camera the content is shot with and how it's shot. If the camera doesn't capture that extra detail in the highlights HDR will never show it. I'm excited to see some content shot specifically for HDR with cameras like the Red Epic Dragon. Maybe Daredevil will be?
It also can help if the director and cinematographer plan their lighting around using HDR in post. I know in Marco Polo they were able to film some scenes in totally natural light. One scene is lit by nothing but a torch that someone holds. In The Revenant they used Natural Light for the whole movie from what I've read. No artificial lighting sources were used so it gives a gritty feel but was supposed to be spectacular in Dolby Vision theaters. Can't wait to see that one in HDR at home. In doing this they can bring out all the shadow detail captured during filming.

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It also can help if the director and cinematographer plan their lighting around using HDR in post. I know in Marco Polo they were able to film some scenes in totally natural light. One scene is lit by nothing but a torch that someone holds. In The Revenant they used Natural Light for the whole movie from what I've read. No artificial lighting sources were used so it gives a gritty feel but was supposed to be spectacular in Dolby Vision theaters. Can't wait to see that one in HDR at home. In doing this they can bring out all the shadow detail captured during filming.
I too am super looking forward to seeing the revenant in HDR. One thing to note however is that even in natural light if something was over or underexposed while filming there's no getting that detail back. Luckily much of that movie was shot with the red epic dragon which has a very high dynamic range.

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