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Are you hooked up with 2 hdmi, one from the BD to your OCB & another from your BD to your receiver or just 1 HDMI to your receiver?
One HDMI cable to receiver only.
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Wow, that is a coincidence! My firmware is 1003 on the KS8500 and 1443 on the JS8500. So you're saying that it doesn't smear while viewing on your PS4 as oppsed to you K8500? What are your settings on the K8500?

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Yeah mine are:

BD Wise On
Resolution BD Wise
Movie Frame (Greyed Out)
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So besides the smearing does it look better on the K8500 or PS4?


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BD Wise seems to make the settings unreal

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BD Wise seems to make the settings unreal

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I tried it with BD Wise off and 1080p resolution and it made no difference.

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Yeah mine are:

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So besides the smearing does it look better on the K8500 or PS4?


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Little better on the k8500.

I tried different settings on the Samsung player to see if I could eliminate the smearing but no luck.
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One HDMI cable to receiver only.
I take it you have done the update on your 7200.

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Watching Star Wars bluray on the K8500 and there is some weird smearing/ghosting going on. Especially when Han Solo confronts Kylo on the bridge. I have the 65JS8500 with the following settings:

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Yeah mine are:

BD Wise On
Resolution BD Wise
Movie Frame (Greyed Out)
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HDMI Color YCBCR
HDMI Deep Color Off

So besides the smearing does it look better on the K8500 or PS4?


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Your K8500 settings look good, try Black Tone=Off , AMP=Clear and SmartLED=Standard on your TV

Edit: you might also consider setting UHD HDMI Color=Off for the TV and setting Resolution to 1080 in the player for normal 1080p Blu-ray watching

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I saw the same red smearing from my K8500 that was upscaling the Force Awakens movie to my Sony 850C. I never tried it at 1080P output or from my Sony BD player. It was only a rental plus only a 2K BD so I didn't really care too much about it. I plan on buying the movie when it comes out on 3D BD later this year.

Maybe I'll take a look again before sending the disc back to 3d-blurayrental tomorrow.

EDIT: I just checked the scene again with the K8500 set for 1080P output and see the same red smearing.
Then I checked from my Sony S6500 BD player set for 1080P output and didn't see any smearing. Then I set the S6500 for 2160P output and again I didn't see any smearing. So it is definitely something specific to the K8500.
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THX cmd for the tip! I'll try it out soon once the boss (aka wife) goes to sleep! Will Atmos & DTS:X still work in this setup?
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I found a major issue with version 1.04. I was watching the new Star Wars movie and noticed that in scenes with deeper red against blacks that major smearing occurs as if it was noise reduction. This was most evident in the scene with Han and Ren on the bridge. You could just see smearing all over Hans face.

I then put the movie into my PS4 and there was no smearing. I haven't played a UHD movie since the upgrade so they might be fine however this was a major bug that hopefully gets remedied.


The smearing did not occur in any other colors but red.
I have watched UHD discs since the update and didn't see this issue. I'll check TFA and see if I notice it.

edit: yes there is definitely something going on with the picture on standard Blu-Rays. I can't say what it is but there is like a double image that looks like a shadow moving in Han's face in the scene you mentioned. Neither my PS4, Xbox One, or mkv file had this. UHD movies look fine and don't have these issues, it's just standard Blu-Ray for some reason. Wonder if someone on 1003 could tell us if they have it too.

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I have the K8500 with the Sony 940c. Unfortunately, my AVR (Sony STR-DN1060) does not support HDR. I'm furious. When I use the K8500 2nd HDMI Out slot and connect it to my receiver, I get so many handshake issues. Sounds like it might be hte player that's causing the problems?

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I saw the same red smearing from my K8500 that was upscaling the Force Awakens movie to my Sony 850C. I never tried it at 1080P output or from my Sony BD player. It was only a rental plus only a 2K BD so I didn't really care too much about it. I plan on buying the movie when it comes out on 3D BD later this year.

Maybe I'll take a look again before sending the disc back to 3d-blurayrental tomorrow.

EDIT: I just checked the scene again with the K8500 set for 1080P output and see the same red smearing.
Then I checked from my Sony S6500 BD player set for 1080P output and didn't see any smearing. Then I set the S6500 for 2160P output and again I didn't see any smearing. So it is definitely something specific to the K8500.
Yeah i tried different resolutions on the K8500 without any luck. I was also thinking that setting the resolution to 2160 was causing issues but didnt seem to make a difference.


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I have watched UHD discs since the update and didn't see this issue. I'll check TFA and see if I notice it.

edit: yes there is definitely something going on with the picture on standard Blu-Rays. I can't say what it is but there is like a double image that looks like a shadow moving in Han's face in the scene you mentioned. Neither my PS4, Xbox One, or mkv file had this. UHD movies look fine and don't have these issues, it's just standard Blu-Ray for some reason. Wonder if someone on 1003 could tell us if they have it too.
Well at least its repeatable but multiple people now and also proven that other BD devices play it back fine, so its not something wrong with the discs. Definitely something going on with the player.


Though it makes me wonder now if this is doing this in UHD movies as well but with different results? I know others have mentioned that Mad Max looked SOFT compared to the BD version. MM has a strong push to red/orange, so maybe the player isn't processing reds/oranges properly and making them look soft/smearing/ghosting/noise reducting the color.




Again, the only time I noticed this was during deep red scenes. Other colors and scenes were just fine.
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I saw the same red smearing from my K8500 that was upscaling the Force Awakens movie to my Sony 850C. I never tried it at 1080P output or from my Sony BD player. It was only a rental plus only a 2K BD so I didn't really care too much about it. I plan on buying the movie when it comes out on 3D BD later this year.

Maybe I'll take a look again before sending the disc back to 3d-blurayrental tomorrow.

EDIT: I just checked the scene again with the K8500 set for 1080P output and see the same red smearing.
Then I checked from my Sony S6500 BD player set for 1080P output and didn't see any smearing. Then I set the S6500 for 2160P output and again I didn't see any smearing. So it is definitely something specific to the K8500.
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I have watched UHD discs since the update and didn't see this issue. I'll check TFA and see if I notice it.

edit: yes there is definitely something going on with the picture on standard Blu-Rays. I can't say what it is but there is like a double image that looks like a shadow moving in Han's face in the scene you mentioned. Neither my PS4, Xbox One, or mkv file had this. UHD movies look fine and don't have these issues, it's just standard Blu-Ray for some reason. Wonder if someone on 1003 could tell us if they have it too.


A couple of us reported this exact issue when we rented Crimson Peak. I saw this problem with that movie, and again last night as you guys did with Star Wars.

Its either a specific production flaw, or a k8500 flaw.

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Yeah i tried different resolutions on the K8500 without any luck. I was also thinking that setting the resolution to 2160 was causing issues but didnt seem to make a difference.




Well at least its repeatable but multiple people now and also proven that other BD devices play it back fine, so its not something wrong with the discs. Definitely something going on with the player.


Though it makes me wonder now if this is doing this in UHD movies as well but with different results? I know others have mentioned that Mad Max looked SOFT compared to the BD version. MM has a strong push to red/orange, so maybe the player isn't processing reds/oranges properly and making them look soft/smearing/ghosting/noise reducting the color.




Again, the only time I noticed this was during deep red scenes. Other colors and scenes were just fine.
I watched part of Mad Max after the 1004 update to see if I got any HDCP errors etc since it is one of the discs I had the most problems with when I went through my AVR. Didn't see anything that I would say looked soft or out of place. It definitely did not have any double images and shadows moving in faces etc. I watched up until about 45minutes remaining.

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A couple of us reported this exact issue when we rented Crimson Peak. I saw this problem with that movie, and again last night as you guys did with Star Wars.

Its either a specific production flaw, or a k8500 flaw.
Cant be a production flaw with the disc as some of us have tried the disc in other devices and can not replicate the smearing/ghosting. Seems isolated to the K8500.
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Cant be a production flaw with the disc as some of us have tried the disc in other devices and can not replicate the smearing/ghosting. Seems isolated to the K8500.
in general that should be the case. I am just not about to make that claim with all the new variables in play. There could be new information on these discs that is needed to determine 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4 for example that traditional blu rays never really needed because players would just assume everything was 4:2:2... just too many variables now.

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in general that should be the case. I am just not about to make that claim with all the new variables in play. There could be new information on these discs that is needed to determine 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4 for example that traditional blu rays never really needed because players would just assume everything was 4:2:2... just too many variables now.
you can change the color format to RGB Standard and such as well. I know I was getting 1080p and 4:2:2 at some point during my testing last night. Didn't make a difference.
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in general that should be the case. I am just not about to make that claim with all the new variables in play. There could be new information on these discs that is needed to determine 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4 for example that traditional blu rays never really needed because players would just assume everything was 4:2:2... just too many variables now.


As you know the k8500 has an option for 4:4:4 and rgb but not 4:2:2. Perhaps in the conversion of the color information from standard Blu-Ray there is a software error. I wonder if setting the player to rgb will make any difference. I doubt it will but maybe I'll give that a try and report back.

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Humor me and put in the DVD and go to the bridge scene and see if you see the smearing issue. I just tested it out and theres definitely the same issue happening. Its less pronounced as you have lower resolution to contend with but its there. I can see it in han's cheeks, Ren's top eye lids and lips.
Again, put the DVD in my PS4 and no smearing issues.
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I take it you have done the update on your 7200.

Yup! Day it came out. I notice when i get no connection that the speaker indicators on receiver flash on & off like its trying to handshake. I wonder if that is whats going on. Last nite before going to bed i tried again & it worked. This morming, mo go. Lights on receiver flicker then shut off. Im usind new high end Monster cables (got cheap).
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Humor me and put in the DVD and go to the bridge scene and see if you see the smearing issue. I just tested it out and theres definitely the same issue happening. Its less pronounced as you have lower resolution to contend with but its there. I can see it in han's cheeks, Ren's top eye lids and lips.
Again, put the DVD in my PS4 and no smearing issues.
Yeah it does the same thing and setting the player to RGB didn't help either. What I did notice is when I turned on the digital clean view in my TV the effect was exaggerated even more.

This player doesn't seem to play nice with standard Blu-Rays, like it's always applying noise filtering on them. I have never seen this happen with UHD discs though.

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Ive noticed from day one regular blus look better on my regular sony blu ray player regardless of which resolution i choose so i use this one just for 4k discs. is this smearing just on that one scene or is it present throughout the whole movie?
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Ive noticed from day one regular blus look better on my regular sony blu ray player regardless of which resolution i choose so i use this one just for 4k discs. is this smearing just on that one scene or is it present throughout the whole movie?
I saw it in about 6 - 8 scenes throughout the movie. for me its only present on scenes where reds/deep reds occur. I never see this in any other color.
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I can't see why people would use the dual cable approach, but it seems there are more of them that have no issues with the update Any one cable people that have no issues with the update?
One advantage of dual cables is that you have a dedicated display input for the UHD player. If the player is used only for UHD blu-ray disks, you can maintain unique settings (e.g., UHD color "on" for the Samsungs) and not have to change settings when switching back and forth from standard blu-rays/DVDs to UHD blu-rays.
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Yup! Day it came out. I notice when i get no connection that the speaker indicators on receiver flash on & off like its trying to handshake. I wonder if that is whats going on. Last nite before going to bed i tried again & it worked. This morming, mo go. Lights on receiver flicker then shut off. Im usind new high end Monster cables (got cheap).
Have you tried 2 hdmi's? You may want to go to the Denon x7200 thread and talk to jdsmoothie, he is really knowledgeable and it sounds like a receiver issue.

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Yup! Day it came out. I notice when i get no connection that the speaker indicators on receiver flash on & off like its trying to handshake. I wonder if that is whats going on. Last nite before going to bed i tried again & it worked. This morming, mo go. Lights on receiver flicker then shut off. Im usind new high end Monster cables (got cheap).
Hmmm I have a similar setup with my K8500 going to my Denon x7200WA via one HDMI (on the Bluray input; not that it matters) and the only issue I have involves Netflix freezing up from time to time and blanking the screen but a quick reboot fixes it. Do you leave everything on all the time or do you shut it off when done and turn everything back on as needed? I have seen some weird color issues with my x7200wa when I switch between 4k devices (I also have an Nvidia Shield Pro running) and 1080p devices but I think it is my UN65F9000 with SEK-3500U that gets screwy.

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Yeah it does the same thing and setting the player to RGB didn't help either. What I did notice is when I turned on the digital clean view in my TV the effect was exaggerated even more.

This player doesn't seem to play nice with standard Blu-Rays, like it's always applying noise filtering on them. I have never seen this happen with UHD discs though.
Have you tried setting UHD HDMI Color=Off in the TV for standard (1080) Blu-ray viewing?
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I noticed the same red smearing mess on Force Awakens via my 8500. Viewing on a Sony X850A non HDR tv thru a Marantz sr6010. Bit annoyed with this player, i'm hooking my Sony 6200 player back up to view regular blu ray on from now on.
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