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I hope one of you veterans can help me. I hooked up my K8500 today for the first time . K8500 to Onkyo TX-NR646 at br/dvd port that is HDCP 2.2 compliant then out of the AVR to a Vizio D55u-D1 into HDMI 1 port that is HDCP 2.2 compliant.
I used Amazon "high speed HDMI 2.0" cables for both connections .
After updating the K8500 I tried Deadpool and Spider-man 2. The Vizio showed 1080P for both discs, the Atmos led was on at the AVR.
Open to your suggestions as to how to get 2160.

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I have a similar setup, Onkyo & Vizio. After a little playing around trying to route through the AVR (it actually worked intermittently), I changed to HDMI 1 > Vizio and HDMI 2 > AVR and never looked back. Never had a problem after that.

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I was using my K8500 for UHD discs, but I wanted to try the HDR content from Amazon, so I enabled the wired connection and enabled the Amazon app. I ended up having some issues and rebooted the K8500. Now all I can get is a flashing red power light. I've tried the 4K input to my projector that was working and also tried hooking up to a 1080p, but can't get up to the home screen now.

I tried holding the stop button after boot up, but never go to the home screen and the player doesn't reset.

Anybody know how to get things reset or have any good ideas?

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Darin...try unplugging the player for 5 minutes or so. Also, try booting it up with the HDMI cable unplugged, then shut it down, plug the HDMI cable back in and see if it can reset the EDID. Not 100% certain that will work, but worth a shot.

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I was using my K8500 for UHD discs, but I wanted to try the HDR content from Amazon, so I enabled the wired connection and enabled the Amazon app. I ended up having some issues and rebooted the K8500. Now all I can get is a flashing red power light. I've tried the 4K input to my projector that was working and also tried hooking up to a 1080p, but can't get up to the home screen now.

I tried holding the stop button after boot up, but never go to the home screen and the player doesn't reset.

Anybody know how to get things reset or have any good ideas?

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Reset to factory settings is by holding the stop button on the player (square), not the remote for five seconds. There must be no disc in the tray. You should get a message onscreen that the reset is taking place. You will lose any passwords you have entered for wireless networks and Samsung account and have to re-enter those. I cannot recall if you have to do it with player switched on or on standby but think it was on.
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Deadpool glitch?

Watching Deadpool I noticed that if I skip a chapter or pause, the on screen menu flashes 10-15 times. The PLAY icon then stays on screen. I have to pause (menu flashes again) then press play for PLAY to disappear. I also I have noticed a small black box that stays on screen occasionally until I repeat PAUSE then PLAY.

This is the only title I've had any buggy play back issues with. Anyone else see the same thing?

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I never paused the movie, so i didn't see anything like that.
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OK, I just got my K8500 today, and am having issues playing movies in 2160p. I hope you guys can help me out here. My TV is a Vizio M-75 (2015), and my surround receiver is a Denon x2200 (fully HDCP 2.2 compliant).

First, I just tried replacing my existing BD player with this one. That would mean that it goes through the Denon, and on to HDMI 1 on the Vizio. This input is only rated for 2160/24p, but I only plan to watch movies with this player anyway. When I tried to start up The Revenant, the player told me to attach it to an HDCP 2.2 compliant TV in order to watch in 4K. So I went for simplicity. I tried a direct connection to HDMI 1, bypassing the Denon, and still got the no go for 4K. Connected it directly to HDMI 5, which is 2160/60p compliant, and the Player automatically switched to 2160p in the menu. But when I tried to play the movie, the TV just says "no signal."

I'm not sure what the problem is at this point. The TV is capable, the HDMI cable is good (after all, it's passing 2160/60p in the menus just fine), but actually playing a disc seems to be problematic. I would really, really appreciate it if someone could shed some light on the situation or make some suggestions.
A little more information, if it helps: When I played a regular Blu-Ray, it upscaled to 4K and played just fine on the TV, and when I forced the player into 1080p mode, it played the Revenant's 4K Blu-Ray disc just fine. For whatever reason, I still get no picture when playing the 4K Blu-Ray with the player outputting 4K. I'll get audio, but no picture. Deadpool comes today, so I will at least have another 4K Blu-Ray to try out.
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Anyone here pair this player with the Epson ls10000? I know it's a long shot, since I think there's only about 10 of us that have it around here....

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A little more information, if it helps: When I played a regular Blu-Ray, it upscaled to 4K and played just fine on the TV, and when I forced the player into 1080p mode, it played the Revenant's 4K Blu-Ray disc just fine. For whatever reason, I still get no picture when playing the 4K Blu-Ray with the player outputting 4K. I'll get audio, but no picture. Deadpool comes today, so I will at least have another 4K Blu-Ray to try out.
Have you tried HDMI 1 from BDP to TV HDMI 5, and HDMI 2 from BDP to AVR?
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Have you tried HDMI 1 from BDP to TV HDMI 5, and HDMI 2 from BDP to AVR?
That's how I currently have it set up. It'll send 4K to the tv when in the player's menu, but when I try to play The Revenant in 4K, I get sound but no picture.
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That's how I currently have it set up. It'll send 4K to the tv when in the player's menu, but when I try to play The Revenant in 4K, I get sound but no picture.
That is odd...I don't suppose there is a particular setting you must use on the TV when inputting a 4K/60 HDR signal, is there? Are you able to play 4K content through the apps? If you are, there may be something wrong with the UHD disc itself.
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Hey everyone. Just recieved my K8500. I watched Exodus and The Martian. Both HDR movies.

Inmitally a bit dissapointed. As they are both fake 4k movies so the resolution and sharpness is not actually better but worse than the best 4k streams im used to watching on netfliks, amazon and youtube.

HDR wise i cant actually see much difference between HDR and the bluray version.

What is obvious is the slightly washed out dark details and blacks. Thats definately dissapointing. So i would like to ask, how can i disable HDR. Forced upon us is annoying. I know HDR would be great on a 2016 OLED. But on my x940c the blacks suffer.

What i am impressed with UHD versions is the lack of motion artifacts in fights and high speed motion. Where as the normal bluray version can look really badly compressed in such scenes.

Another dissapointment for me was the Martain in fake 4k is nowjere as good as watching it in 3D.
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WOW Deadpool is a perfect example of 4K HDRichness. Deadpool's red costume pops out of the screen and blacks are from outer space. A wonderful 4K transfer from 20th Century Fox. By the way, the Dolby Atmos mix really rocks.
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Hey everyone. Just recieved my K8500. I watched Exodus and The Martian. Both HDR movies.

Inmitally a bit dissapointed. As they are both fake 4k movies so the resolution and sharpness is not actually better but worse than the best 4k streams im used to watching on netfliks, amazon and youtube.

HDR wise i cant actually see much difference between HDR and the bluray version.

What is obvious is the slightly washed out dark details and blacks. Thats definately dissapointing. So i would like to ask, how can i disable HDR. Forced upon us is annoying. I know HDR would be great on a 2016 OLED. But on my x940c the blacks suffer.

What i am impressed with UHD versions is the lack of motion artifacts in fights and high speed motion. Where as the normal bluray version can look really badly compressed in such scenes.

Another dissapointment for me was the Martain in fake 4k is nowjere as good as watching it in 3D.

Is the input on your 940C that is being used for the K8500 set to "enhanced"?

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Is the input on your 940C that is being used for the K8500 set to "enhanced"?
Yup. Ive gollowed the guides and its on enhanced. Im using hdmi 2 port on the TV.

Another poster regarding using the bluray version... not to be rude by i bought A UHD disk to watch in higher res. ☺
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WOW Deadpool is a perfect example of 4K HDRichness. Deadpool's red costume pops out of the screen and blacks are from outer space. A wonderful 4K transfer from 20th Century Fox. By the way, the Dolby Atmos mix really rocks.
Hi there what tv are you watching HDR deadpool on?

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Hey everyone. Just recieved my K8500. I watched Exodus and The Martian. Both HDR movies.

Inmitally a bit dissapointed. As they are both fake 4k movies so the resolution and sharpness is not actually better but worse than the best 4k streams im used to watching on netfliks, amazon and youtube.

HDR wise i cant actually see much difference between HDR and the bluray version.

What is obvious is the slightly washed out dark details and blacks. Thats definately dissapointing. So i would like to ask, how can i disable HDR. Forced upon us is annoying. I know HDR would be great on a 2016 OLED. But on my x940c the blacks suffer.

What i am impressed with UHD versions is the lack of motion artifacts in fights and high speed motion. Where as the normal bluray version can look really badly compressed in such scenes.

Another dissapointment for me was the Martain in fake 4k is nowjere as good as watching it in 3D.
Then you have something wrong. HDR on my set is amazing.
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Then you have something wrong. HDR on my set is amazing.
What tv do you have if you dont mind.

And is it a day and night difference between that and the bluray?

As i dont get that kind of a difference. It looks a little different... but nothing special.
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What tv do you have if you dont mind.

And is it a day and night difference between that and the bluray?

As i dont get that kind of a difference. It looks a little different... but nothing special.
I have a 940C. It is night and day difference. Don't get me wrong, bluray is very good. However, UHD with HDR is in another league. Open the forum in a Web browser and look at my settings in my signature.
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I have a 940C. It is night and day difference. Don't get me wrong, bluray is very good. However, UHD with HDR is in another league. Open the forum in a Web browser and look at my settings in my signature.


Since their is posts about how bad HDR is or I wish I could turn off HDR

Joe Kane states SDR10 to be superior. This video may be of interest since it explains why some may not like HDR picture from. Our player

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Why would you use 24p from a computer? That's terrible for any type of usage except movies which aren't 12bit anyway.
I was using it in 12-bit mode simply to test out the capabilities of the set.

I do regularly use 24p mode for watching movies and some TV shows. MPC-HC + madVR provides a superior 4K upscaling versus any BluRay player.
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Since their is posts about how bad HDR is or I wish I could turn off HDR

Joe Kane states SDR10 to be superior. This video may be of interest since it explains why some may not like HDR picture from. Our player

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I was using it in 12-bit mode simply to test out the capabilities of the set.

I do regularly use 24p mode for watching movies and some TV shows. MPC-HC + madVR provides a superior 4K upscaling versus any BluRay player.
Right but isn't there an option to change the refresh rate upon playback so you don't have to set it manually?

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Hey everyone. Just recieved my K8500. I watched Exodus and The Martian. Both HDR movies.

Inmitally a bit dissapointed. As they are both fake 4k movies so the resolution and sharpness is not actually better but worse than the best 4k streams im used to watching on netfliks, amazon and youtube.

HDR wise i cant actually see much difference between HDR and the bluray version.

What is obvious is the slightly washed out dark details and blacks. Thats definately dissapointing. So i would like to ask, how can i disable HDR. Forced upon us is annoying. I know HDR would be great on a 2016 OLED. But on my x940c the blacks suffer.

What i am impressed with UHD versions is the lack of motion artifacts in fights and high speed motion. Where as the normal bluray version can look really badly compressed in such scenes.

Another dissapointment for me was the Martain in fake 4k is nowjere as good as watching it in 3D.
Something must not be set right if your 940C looks that way. Things should look superb with that set. Especially with the martian(The Exodus isn't a good one for HDR). The indoor scenes of the Martian are in 4K. Taken from a 5K camera. But the CGI shots are in 2k.

Even on my low end Sony 850C, with only some HDR capability, The Martian looks great from my K8500. On a 940C, with FALD, the MArtian should look superb from the K8500.
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Hey everyone. Just recieved my K8500. I watched Exodus and The Martian. Both HDR movies.

Inmitally a bit dissapointed. As they are both fake 4k movies so the resolution and sharpness is not actually better but worse than the best 4k streams im used to watching on netfliks, amazon and youtube.

HDR wise i cant actually see much difference between HDR and the bluray version.

What is obvious is the slightly washed out dark details and blacks. Thats definately dissapointing. So i would like to ask, how can i disable HDR. Forced upon us is annoying. I know HDR would be great on a 2016 OLED. But on my x940c the blacks suffer.

What i am impressed with UHD versions is the lack of motion artifacts in fights and high speed motion. Where as the normal bluray version can look really badly compressed in such scenes.

Another dissapointment for me was the Martain in fake 4k is nowjere as good as watching it in 3D.
First off if your blacks are suffering this is usually indicative of attempting to play HDR content on a non compatible display. Since the 940C seems to be HDR compatible based on my quick google search I would speculate that there is something wrong in your setup. Either settings on the player/display or a combination of both. I'm not familiar with your sets HDR related settings sorry. I'm sure someone else can help with that.

I will also say that if you feel THE SAME CONTENT viewed on a 4K streaming service is sharper than its Ultra HD Bluray counterpart I would have to say I find that very surprising. You have to compare apples to apples, by this I mean the same movie under the same conditions with the same picture settings (calibrated if possible). Any other comparison to other content is meaningless. Every film/video/documentary is created by different people who have varying degrees of skill and different views on how they want their content to look once released to consumers. Not all content is filmed and shot with the sole purpose of being very bright/high contrast/ultra sharp with everything in focus. Your right that there are a lot of high quality streaming videos and movies that can be almost demo worthy (I like time laps photography). Im sure if you could view this content on Ultra HD Bluray the difference would be significant.

The theory behind HDR and WCG is basic and when done properly through the whole signal train it will most definitely wow anyone who see's it.

My personal favorites right now are Life of Pi and Lego Movie and the revenant

Here are a couple of things to keep in mind about HDR (for comparison to SDR) if you would like to indulge me. Most of this is mentioned or covered in some way during the interview with Joe Kane.

1. HDR10 uses a new form of gamma or Electro Optical Transfer Function known as ST2084. This EOTF was designed for DARK ROOM viewing. Most of the video information within HDR10 exists from 0-100 NIT. Many people have become accustomed to viewing standard dynamic range material during the years past with a less than desirable gamma setting and higher than recommended light output in viewing conditions other than dark room. If HDR in its current form is viewed in a moderate to bright room the effect of the spectral highlights will not be able to overcome ambient light enough to have the impact intended. Some owners use the dynamic contrast settings to overcome this feeling. I believe this results in an inaccurate image but I have no tests or data to prove this at the moment so for now its to each their own.

2. The vast majority of colors created in nature exist within the Rec709 color space. Most of whats beyond that are man made. With the biggest exception being parts of green (color volume which relates to luminance is a separate thing). How much you notice the expanded color are going to be very content specific and may be subtle. Not to mention many people who prefer setting their display to a "preference" picture vs. a "reference" picture and are used to viewing over saturated and inaccurate colors may notice a smaller difference.

3. Luminance and Chromaticity (ST2086) - Right now luminance and tone mapping are done based on STATIC metadata. This means that the display takes into account the widest color gamut and the brightest scene within the content (the whole movie) and remaps based on that. The majority of the content will have a greater compression of dynamic range and color gamut than would be necessary based on the displays capabilities. HDR10 will one day be capable of scene by scene DYNAMIC metadata. Samsung recently showed a demo of a 2016 model display utilizing this feature. Dolby Visions system already does this. I don't know if this will require a hardware update, software update, or both. As always it will be at the manufactures discretion if and when certain products receive updates.
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I have the Samsung player and a new 75" Sony 940D. I was wondering if I could get some feedback on an issue I've been experiencing. While starting up a Ultra HD disc there is usually a pause on the part of the tv to recognize its an HDR signal and then the picture will display. Occasionally though the player seems to want and try and put the tv in 24hz mode, which will display no picture at all, only sound. If I then stop the disc and attempt to replay it then it throws it into HDR 4K and everything plays fine. I have everything running through a Denon X6200 and my hdmi input on my tv has been switched to enhanced. I was wondering if anyone had heard of this issue and if there were any suggestions on how to fix it. Also, should I expect to be getting 24hz playback with this setup?
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WOW Deadpool is a perfect example of 4K HDRichness. Deadpool's red costume pops out of the screen and blacks are from outer space. A wonderful 4K transfer from 20th Century Fox. By the way, the Dolby Atmos mix really rocks.
Hi there what tv are you watching HDR deadpool on?

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I have a Samsung 65JS9500 on my living room and a 55JS8500 on my bed room. Both are connected to the Samsung UBD-K8500 (I have 2 units). Obviously the HDR is better on the JS9500 but to my surprise the JS8500 handles HDR content very good. Probably I will make an upgrade to the UN65KS9500, Oled still out of my budget.
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Right but isn't there an option to change the refresh rate upon playback so you don't have to set it manually?
Yes, there is.. but sometimes I don't want to go to the effort of adjusting my AVR's lipsync value (it's ~40ms for 2160/60 and ~140ms for 2160/24), so I don't want the video player to automatically switch resolutions.

I wish all of the devices had a way to save presets and auto-switch to them with one button. For instance, in 2160/24, I like to use LED Clear Motion on my TV, but at 60Hz it has obvious flickering.
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Yes, there is.. but sometimes I don't want to go to the effort of adjusting my AVR's lipsync value (it's ~40ms for 2160/60 and ~140ms for 2160/24), so I don't want the video player to automatically switch resolutions.



I wish all of the devices had a way to save presets and auto-switch to them with one button. For instance, in 2160/24, I like to use LED Clear Motion on my TV, but at 60Hz it has obvious flickering.


Wow that is unfortunate. Kodi changes refresh for me with no change to the audio delay.

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I have the Samsung player and a new 75" Sony 940D. I was wondering if I could get some feedback on an issue I've been experiencing. While starting up a Ultra HD disc there is usually a pause on the part of the tv to recognize its an HDR signal and then the picture will display. Occasionally though the player seems to want and try and put the tv in 24hz mode, which will display no picture at all, only sound. If I then stop the disc and attempt to replay it then it throws it into HDR 4K and everything plays fine. I have everything running through a Denon X6200 and my hdmi input on my tv has been switched to enhanced. I was wondering if anyone had heard of this issue and if there were any suggestions on how to fix it. Also, should I expect to be getting 24hz playback with this setup?


It could be an hdcp issue. I have had some trouble with my Denon x2200w. The easiest solution is for you to run two HDMI cables from the player to separate the audio from the video.

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