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From what I understand about the Xbox One S, it cannot bitstream DTS-MA or TrueHD at all and it would need this capability in order to pass any such audio contained in an MKV file. With the UBD-K8500, you will get an alert indicating that the audio file (TrueHD and Atmos) is not supported and there will be no audio. I've been told by Samsung engineers that the chip is capable of passing all of the advanced audio codecs from MKV files, but there may be issues in the way the files were originally encoded that could be preventing it.
You are a wealth of knowledge! I am just trying to figure out what would be the best fit for me between K8500 and the Xbox one S in regards to diff. playback formats both audio and video and things are about to get even more muddier with the NEO being announced on the 7th.

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So what are all the Media Files that the Player supports? Thanks.
It's all in the manual which you should get as a PDF from Samsung's website if it's going to be part of your decision. There are pages and pages about the formats and the limitations of each - a lot of reading for you to do which I'm sure you can do when you get the PDF yourself. Here's the first page as a taster:


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Regarding what the k8500 can play via USB: It cannot play 3D MKV from 3D blu source. It cannot play certain HEVC files with HDR (haven't figured out the differences between those that play and those that don't). It cannot play back nor pass-through lossless or object-based audio.
Basically, if you make MKV backups of your blu-rays (not UHD), this player's USB connection will not be usable for playing those in their best-quality form.
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Regarding what the k8500 can play via USB: It cannot play 3D MKV from 3D blu source. It cannot play certain HEVC files with HDR (haven't figured out the differences between those that play and those that don't). It cannot play back nor pass-through lossless or object-based audio.
Basically, if you make MKV backups of your blu-rays (not UHD), this player's USB connection will not be usable for playing those in their best-quality form.
That's what a real media player is for. Like from Popcorn Hour, Dune, etc.

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Alright AVS I've had my 4K HDR 65 Sony 900C for about a week now with this player and since that the "official" thread is all but dead I figured some 850 or hell, even some 930 owners can chime in. When playing my 4K discs I recently went into the "picture adjustments" option on the television and noticed it was now labeled "HDR" meaning that the television is actually letting me know it was displaying HDR (I know lots of Sony users were unsure if the tv was actually displaying it or not.)

Now I always turn off picture settings like "motionflow or cinemotion" so my new discovery while watching HDR content that the television goes into its own little mode where it kind of "blackens out" certain picture options where we can't as user adjust them to our likings.

My question is, Sony offers a "truecinema" option under motionflow which imo makes HDR 4K look even more phenomenal. But of course doing my own research over the years I have found that such settings actually kind of readjust and retransmit the signal. Now I don't like letting anything degrade or interfere with my pq but something about 4K and the "truecinema" feature works wonders as far as adding a dimension while watching 4K that I always expected to be there up front. What do you guys think? I'm kind of on the fence, I love the fluid motion, but I hate the "fake" look any motion enhanced film looks. "Cinemotion" is always off. I know motionflow affects more so 1080/24 content but where does true 4K stand in this question?
Basically if buy this unit i will buy it for BD movies i have (not many 4K movies out). Do you think this player will bring more out of BD movies other than regular BD players do.
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Basically if buy this unit i will buy it for BD movies i have (not many 4K movies out). Do you think this player will bring more out of BD movies other than regular BD players do.
I have a new HDR capable TV's if you want a know.
This player will not do anything special for 1080p Blu-Rays. If you only want to play 1080p content it is the same as any Blu-Ray player out there. It doesn't have any special processing to the picture like an Oppo with Darbee would.
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This player will not do anything special for 1080p Blu-Rays. If you only want to play 1080p content it is the same as any Blu-Ray player out there. It doesn't have any special processing to the picture like an Oppo with Darbee would.
Thanks for clearing up, i saw some people stated that even BD movies they had has better picture and overall much better quality with this player which they enjoy better now.
Do you think overpriced panasonic $699 player will impact on quality of BD movies we have? Like i said this point i can buy one of these players only if they can bring our BD movies to the different level.
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Thanks for clearing up, i saw some people stated that even BD movies they had has better picture and overall much better quality with this player which they enjoy better now.
Do you think overpriced panasonic $699 player will impact on quality of BD movies we have? Like i said this point i can buy one of these players only if they can bring our BD movies to the different level.
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It is possible that the player they had before was not very good and that may be why they look better on the Samsung, which isn't that bad if you can get the TV to do the scaling on 1080p.
I personally still play all my 1080p via my Pioneer BDP-LX58 with custom firmware, it is freaking awesome, and although i have over 20 4k UHD titles now i can't see myself getting rid of the Pioneer anytime soon.
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Thanks for clearing up, i saw some people stated that even BD movies they had has better picture and overall much better quality with this player which they enjoy better now.
Do you think overpriced panasonic $699 player will impact on quality of BD movies we have? Like i said this point i can buy one of these players only if they can bring our BD movies to the different level.
Thanks again
No I don't think the Panasonic is any better. It costs more because it's THX certified and has analog outputs. Honestly the reasons to own any UHD player are as follows. UHD HDR playback and Immersive audio(Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are going to be exclusive to UHD discs).

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..... and Immersive audio(Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are going to be exclusive to UHD discs).
Are they??
I've got lots of BluRay 1080 discs with Atmos.
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No I don't think the Panasonic is any better. It costs more because it's THX certified and has analog outputs. Honestly the reasons to own any UHD player are as follows. UHD HDR playback and Immersive audio(Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are going to be exclusive to UHD discs).

Lots of post's on the Panasonic 4K player forum that the player does a great job with upscaling 1080 bluray disc's, better than there TV and these posters have some of the top TV's. I have always switched the Samsung player to 1080P resolution since I seem to prefer my Sony 940C TV doing the upscaling. The one Issue with doing that is you have to remember to switch it back to 2160 when playing a 4K disc's, something I have forgotten to do a couple of times.

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For a multitude of reasons, the Panasonic player is much better. I give props to the Samsung for jumping in early and getting us this far, but now is the time for the torch to be passed. This is an evolving tech and the Panasonic will have a limited shelf-life, too. So enjoy what we have for how and always consider the options when ready to evolve with the tech.
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The Panasonic does not support 10-bit output, resulting in banding on a large number of displays; Panasonic has stated this is due to the chip they chose & don't see this as a problem since their TVs support 12-bit output. None of its apps support HDR, and Panasonic says they will consider adding such support in the future. So how is it time for "the torched to be passed" when the Panasonic is not as complete as the Samsung? It's one thing to have a brand preference, but it's quite another to ignore a product's shortcomings because of that preference.

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For a multitude of reasons, the Panasonic player is much better. I give props to the Samsung for jumping in early and getting us this far, but now is the time for the torch to be passed. This is an evolving tech and the Panasonic will have a limited shelf-life, too. So enjoy what we have for how and always consider the options when ready to evolve with the tech.
Would you mind listing a few of the reasons?

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Are they??
I've got lots of BluRay 1080 discs with Atmos.
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I'd say mostly on UHD going forward
Do you have a source for that information? (Link or article?)
I find it hard to belive that the would remove features like Atmos and DTS:X from the HD-versions, when it is fully compatible with those formats.
I don't understand they will "remove" a big step forward in sound quality, just to push people over to UHD discs.
(But the again, money makes decisions).
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I have a question: After researching online for a UHD player, I've noticed some are advertising Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray. Now, what's the difference between a Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray player and a UHD Blu-Ray player? (jesus man, the home theater learning curve is quite a bit steeper than I had anticipated).
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maybe this has been posted, but I finally got the DTS-X upgrade on my Onkyo 646. Can't tell yet if I like Atmos or DTS-X better.
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I have a question: After researching online for a UHD player, I've noticed some are advertising Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray. Now, what's the difference between a Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray player and a UHD Blu-Ray player? (jesus man, the home theater learning curve is quite a bit steeper than I had anticipated).
There are currently only 3 UHD BDPs on the market: the Samsung UBD-K8500, the Panasonic DMP-UB900, and the Philips BDP7501.

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Would you mind listing a few of the reasons?
There's discussion of them in the Panasonic UHD BD Player thread. Take a look there. I own both players, so I've had enough hands-on. Everyone values different performance characteristics and feature sets differently. Get your hands on a player and decide if these differences make it a much better player for you.
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There's discussion of them in the Panasonic UHD BD Player thread. Take a look there. I own both players, so I've had enough hands-on. Everyone values different performance characteristics and feature sets differently. Get your hands on a player and decide if these differences make it a much better player for you.
Could you please list your reasoning here? You stated the Samsung unit has been surpassed and I would like to know why (since you have hands-on with both) before I decide if I want a different player.

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maybe this has been posted, but I finally got the DTS-X upgrade on my Onkyo 646. Can't tell yet if I like Atmos or DTS-X better.
In up to a 7.1.4 configuration Dolby Atmos and DTS: X will perform similarly. Which is better will be completely based on the aggressiveness of the original mix encoded in each immersive format. Once you go beyond 7.1.4, Dolby Atmos can render up to 62.2. At this time, DTS: X is limited to 7.1.4 and any early track with no added objects is stuck at 7.1.4 for all time.

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There's discussion of them in the Panasonic UHD BD Player thread. Take a look there. I own both players, so I've had enough hands-on. Everyone values different performance characteristics and feature sets differently. Get your hands on a player and decide if these differences make it a much better player for you.
I spent half an hour reading some of the 1300 posts in that thread and a couple of reviews. Sounds like it is better for flexible setup, analog audio, and down converting to a non-4K display . Neither of those matter to me. AVForum review said the 4K UHD HDR performance is the same which is what matters to me so I guess I am good.
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I spent half an hour reading some of the 1300 posts in that thread and a couple of reviews. Sounds like it is better for flexible setup, analog audio, and down converting to a non-4K display . Neither of those matter to me. AVForum review said the 4K UHD HDR performance is the same which is what matters to me so I guess I am good.
Thank you. That is what I wanted to know.
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The Panasonic does not support 10-bit output, resulting in banding on a large number of displays; Panasonic has stated this is due to the chip they chose & don't see this as a problem since their TVs support 12-bit output. None of its apps support HDR, and Panasonic says they will consider adding such support in the future. So how is it time for "the torched to be passed" when the Panasonic is not as complete as the Samsung? It's one thing to have a brand preference, but it's quite another to ignore a product's shortcomings because of that preference.
The Philips also has only 12bit but turning deep color OFF removes the banding. Deep color on = 4:4:4 12bit with some banding for me in some scenes and off = 4:2:2 12bit with no banding.

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I spent half an hour reading some of the 1300 posts in that thread and a couple of reviews. Sounds like it is better for flexible setup, analog audio, and down converting to a non-4K display . Neither of those matter to me. AVForum review said the 4K UHD HDR performance is the same which is what matters to me so I guess I am good.
Exactly. Most uses will be HDMI to a 4k TV and playing UHD content which for all intents and purposes is identical between players. The extra stuff is like an Oppo's extras. If you don't use them it's not really worth the extra cost for most people.

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Are they??
I've got lots of BluRay 1080 discs with Atmos.
All the new releases have Atmos or DTS:X on the UHD disc and DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD on the 1080p disc. Some movies that are re-released in UHD that didn't have immersive audio before have an Atmos or DTS:X track added to the UHD disc and not the HD disc they come with. Movies like Lone Survivor, Lucy, Oblivion, Star Trek, Ghostbusters never had an immersive audio track for the home release. On the UHD disc they added it.

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I have a question: After researching online for a UHD player, I've noticed some are advertising Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray. Now, what's the difference between a Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray player and a UHD Blu-Ray player? (jesus man, the home theater learning curve is quite a bit steeper than I had anticipated).
I'm assuming native 4K player plays uhd blu-rays as opposed to 4K upscaling players that upscale regular blu-rays. Might have been a misprint as all 3 uhd blu-ray players are native 4K but there are players with upscaling advertised as 4K but do not play the new uhd discs.
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I'm assuming native 4K player plays uhd blu-rays as opposed to 4K upscaling players that upscale regular blu-rays. Might have been a misprint as all 3 uhd blu-ray players are native 4K but there are players with upscaling advertised as 4K but do not play the new uhd discs.
Some retailers probably purposely list it as "Native" to differentiate it from upscaling players like you said.

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i have a problem since last firmware update. Most of the newer stuff from Netflix is not working anymore on my Plasma. I get a message: Display does not support HDCP 2.2. It was working with the firmware before and 1080p content is normally not HDCP 2.2 protected. Can someone check that or have the same problem?

I have a Panasonic Plasma (1080p, non HDCP 2.2) and a JVC X7000 (e Shift 4k and HDCP 2.2) connected both to my Denon X7200WA (all ins and outs HDCP 2.2).
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I have a question: After researching online for a UHD player, I've noticed some are advertising Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray. Now, what's the difference between a Native 4k UHD Blu-Ray player and a UHD Blu-Ray player? (jesus man, the home theater learning curve is quite a bit steeper than I had anticipated).
I just wish they had left the "Blu-ray" out of "UHD Blu-ray" and just called the new standard "UHD". That would avoid most of the confusion a lot of people have.

Blu-ray discs are 1920 x 1080p resolution. Blu-ray players can't play 3840 x 2160 content though many recent Blu-ray players can upscale 1920 x 1080 to 3840 x 2160 for output to a 4K display.

UHD Blu-ray players can play 3840 x 2160 content which is the native resolution of 4K displays so they can play the new UHD discs now being released while a normal Blu-ray player can not play those discs. Normal Blu-ray players can't get a firmware update to allow them to play UHD material because it demands a totally different chip set. If you want to play UHD discs, you need a UHD Blu-ray player just like if you wanted to play Blu-ray discs when Blu-ray was introduced you had to buy a Blu-ray player because DVD players could not play Blu-ray discs. Blu-ray playback required a totally different chip set to DVD playback so DVD players could not be upgraded to play Blu-ray discs. UHD Blu-ray playback requires a totally different chip set to Blu-ray playback so there's no way to upgrade a Blu-ray player to enable it to play UHD Blu-ray discs.

Basically we have 3 disc formats with different resolution capabilities, DVD which is standard definition, Blu-ray which is high definition, and UHD Blu-ray which is ultra high definition. The type of player you buy determines the highest definition disc the player can play. If you want to play 4K ultra high definition discs you have to have a UHD Blu-ray player and you are going to need a 4K display in order to be able to see the content on that disc in 4K. If you only have a 1920 x 1080 display you will not be able to see 4K UHD material in 4K so there is no reason to buy 4K UHD discs or a UHD Blu-ray player. Normal Blu-ray discs and a normal Blu-ray player will give you the best quality output a 1920 x 1080 display can handle.

That's an overly long restate of what everyone else has said but with a bit of background info thrown in.
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