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Do you guys know why this comes out I got the hu9000 with the sek3500 and the k8500?
Was this before with 1008, or after with 1009?

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Do you guys know why this comes out I got the hu9000 with the sek3500 and the k8500?
Was this before with 1008, or after with 1009?
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BD Wise on or off connected to Samsung JS8500

It seems everyone recommends turning BD Wise off but if you have a Samsung TV (I have JS8500) should you have it turned on?
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New firmware is out 1009. Does anyone know of a changelog?
Yes, I know. There isn't one - Samsung refuse to provide one. This is a FAQ

EDIT: Just tried the YouTube app in 1009 in case it had been updated for HDR. Sadly not. Worth a try!

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It seems everyone recommends turning BD Wise off but if you have a Samsung TV (I have JS8500) should you have it turned on?
I have the same tv JS8500 in 65" and I turn BD Wise on. Just makes things a lot easier. Never had an issue with the player.
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I now have 1009. Dpes anyone know if it does anything. I have the78 HU9000. Watching independence Day in DT-X
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Yes, I know. There isn't one - Samsung refuse to provide one. This is a FAQ



EDIT: Just tried the YouTube app in 1009 in case it had been updated for HDR. Sadly not. Worth a try!


I understand that it requires a firmware update from Samsung in order to get HDR from utubes


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It seems everyone recommends turning BD Wise off but if you have a Samsung TV (I have JS8500) should you have it turned on?
I leave it off on both the player and TV. Wreaks havoc with calibrations, and calibrating.

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Samsung K8500 compared to Philips 7501

I purchase the Philips player recently and I also own the Samsung K8500. After comparing them in detail on many 4K movies using my non HDR TV, the Sony 65XBR900B I feel the Samsung has a better picture with better color, better blacks, better contrast and better sharpness. With the Samsung I have to increase the backlight, Gamma, and contrast a little bit more than the Philips but it is not a problem with my Sony 4K TV since it has a specific setting of each input and you can also apply the common setting to the input.

I was hoping for better picture quality with the Phillips but that did not happen. In fact the Philips does not have the colors and punch the Samsung has, there is times when the Philips player's picture quality does not even look 4K like. I know there are variances between players but I am going to return the Philips for a refund and have a look at the OPPO when it comes out. I am still not sure that the OPPO will really provide a real world difference in picture quality for 4K Blu-ray DVD's. Time will tell and maybe I will even wait for the Sony player.

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I have the same tv JS8500 in 65" and I turn BD Wise on. Just makes things a lot easier. Never had an issue with the player.
I leave it on on the player and off on the tv. Works great.

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Do you guys know why this comes out I got the hu9000 with the sek3500 and the k8500?
You will have to activate UHD Color in picture settings for the HDMI-port the player is connected to.

Example, lets say UBD-K8500 is connected to HDMI-3 on the SEK3500
On the tv, go to settings, picture, and a bit down there is the option for "UHD Color".
Activate UHD color for HDMI 3 in this case, the tv will reboot, and it should work fine.
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I understand that it requires a firmware update from Samsung in order to get HDR from utubes
Er, Samsung's firmware update to 1009 is a firmware update from Samsung. That's why I tested it to see if it had been updated!

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It seems everyone recommends turning BD Wise off but if you have a Samsung TV (I have JS8500) should you have it turned on?
I have K8500 "on" for BD Wise; but "off" for my JS9500. This provides a "native" output from the K8500 and allows the display to do any required upconversion. But, it doesn't implement any of the BD Wise takeover of settings.

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Samsung only gives generic responses to their updates. Usually, always the same one!
Their excuse was to keep their competitors in the dark, and keep owners from knowing about issues, they may never have known about. (Unless they read the AVS Forum!)
TVs, can be tested with a Meter whether a FW update was hardware re the panel, apps, or both.
BD/UBD players, what the FW update is mostly unknown, since how do test except, before Amazon HDR didn't work, and after it did.
Apparently, from what I've been reading Amazon did an App upgrade, so the 1009 might be to put the player more in alignment with that upgrade.

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I have K8500 "on" for BD Wise; but "off" for my JS9500. This provides a "native" output from the K8500 and allows the display to do any required upconversion. But, it doesn't implement any of the BD Wise takeover of settings.
Does this actually do anything? The reason for BDWise, was to allow the TV and player to talk to each other, to supposedly adjust things to the maximum advantage for both. With only one on, I can see no reason for doing so since the TV and player can no longer compare notes, so to speak.

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My new Roku does HDR with Fandango and the Samsung does not. Is this consistent with others' experience? Any reason to use the Samsung's apps over the Roku... besides the obvious HDR Netflix capability on the Roku?

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My new Roku does HDR with Fandango and the Samsung does not. Is this consistent with others' experience? Any reason to use the Samsung's apps over the Roku... besides the obvious HDR Netflix capability on the Roku?

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The Samsung K8500 will output in 2160P24. While the Roku is only 2160P60. Although personally I mainly use my Roku Ultra now for watching the UHD/HDR streaming apps. Since it uses very little power and is also very quick.

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The Samsung K8500 will output in 2160P24. While the Roku is only 2160P60. Although personally I mainly use my Roku Ultra now for watching the UHD/HDR streaming apps. Since it uses very little power and is also very quick.
Besides the goal of matching the sources exact format and integrity thereof, isn't 2160p60 generally considered better than 2160p24? And yes I absolutely love how much faster and smoother the Roku is to operate.

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Besides the goal of matching the sources exact format and integrity thereof, isn't 2160p60 generally considered better than 2160p24? And yes I absolutely love how much faster and smoother the Roku is to operate.

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It seems everyone recommends turning BD Wise off but if you have a Samsung TV (I have JS8500) should you have it turned on?
I left it off because it adjusts settings on its own and the resulting picture wasn't that good. It changed the color tone, turned sharpness up etc. You can of course turn these to whatever you want, but I already had these adjusted in Movie mode so I figured, why bother. The one real benefit is it will automatically switch from 4k to 1080p when you play a standard Blu-Ray or 3D disc rather than scaling everything.

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I also get at worse image using BD-Wise on both JS9500 and K8500.
So it is adviced not to enable BD-wise as you might not get the optimal image.
Leave it be.
BD-wise is for people who "aren't capable" and need help setting up their system.
They would normally not react to degraded picture quality as well.
Often convenience comes at the cost of quality.
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Does this actually do anything? The reason for BDWise, was to allow the TV and player to talk to each other, to supposedly adjust things to the maximum advantage for both. With only one on, I can see no reason for doing so since the TV and player can no longer compare notes, so to speak.

I don't want them talking to each other and BDWise affecting the picture. I just want "native" output (1080p from Blu Rays and most streaming, or 2160 from Ultra Blu Rays and 4K streaming sources) from the player. That's what I was getting the last time I checked.

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So much tech talk going on that baffles me, should I stick to my basic Sony 4K upscale DVD player or is there a auto mode to self adjust on this player?
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So much tech talk going on that baffles me, should I stick to my basic Sony 4K upscale DVD player or is there a auto mode to self adjust on this player?

You do not want to auto adjust anything. You have to properly calibrate your display (I don't even know what TV you have), set this player to BD-Wise off, 4:4:4 chroma, standard user mode, and turn Deep Color off. If you're running through a surround receiver or pre-amp, turn HDMI audio out to Bitstream (Unprocessed) and PCM down-sampling to off.

The only thing that should be occurring is if your 4K TV is HDR compatible, the HDR mode should turn on when an HDR encoded source is detected (streaming site or UHD Blu-ray). Everything else is pretty much set it and forget it. Don't know about TV calibration? Go to the particular thread that talks about your specific TV model and start reading.

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You do not want auto adjust anything. You have to properly calibrate your display (I don't even know what TV you have), set this player to BD-Wise off, 4:4:4 chroma, standard user mode, and turn Deep Color off. If you're running through a surround receiver or pre-amp, turn HDMI audio out to Bitstream (Unprocessed) and PCM down-sampling to off.

Thanks for the input Mr. Hitchman,
I have a Sony XBR65X810C 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2015 Model), unfortunately non HDR feeding a Vizio SB4551-D5 sound bar via Optical wire.
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I also get at worse image using BD-Wise on both JS9500 and K8500.
None of this year's models have BD-Wise. It seems that Samsung has quietly dropped the feature.

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Thanks for the input Mr. Hitchman,
I have a Sony XBR65X810C 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2015 Model), unfortunately non HDR feeding a Vizio SB4551-D5 sound bar via Optical wire.
I would be as harsh as to say if your tv doesn't support HDR, there is no reason to buy an UHD-player.
The big difference between standard blu-ray (1080p) and UHD is the HDR-effekt.
You will barely notice the resolution upgrade.
The big difference between standard Blu-ray and UHD is the HDR feature.
If you can't take the advantage of that, there is no reason to upgrade.
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I would be as harsh as to say if your tv doesn't support HDR, there is no reason to buy an UHD-player.
The big difference between standard blu-ray (1080p) and UHD is the HDR-effekt.
You will barely notice the resolution upgrade.
The big difference between standard Blu-ray and UHD is the HDR feature.
If you can't take the advantage of that, there is no reason to upgrade.
I totally disagree. I got into UHD for the resolution, not for the HDR. I have an HDR10 capable Samsung JS850D, but most of what I've watched so far (Netflix) has been 4K non-HDR. 4K on the right sized screen is stunning. That being said, I would advise anyone buying a new TV today who cares about the quality of the experience to get one that is HDR-capable as more HDR content becomes available.
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