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post #10741 of 14194 Old 11-30-2016, 08:35 AM
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" It is still the only player that I know of that can stream both Netflix and Amazon at 24fps and 60fps as originally encoded. Others only output 60fps."

Claw, thanks for the prompt feedback. I will definitely pick one up this weekend. wil

Hi, Finally pickup a Samsung k8500, over the weekend. Yes, I gave up waiting for the oppo 203 ( may still be getting one, when available ).
I will be connecting the k8500 to the Sony XBR75x940d? Anyone has recommendation setting for the the k8500 and 940d ( if require ). As this will be my first 4k player.

Thanks as always ....

Just want to do a quick report on k8500, in terms of streaming capability. First, I been using the WD media player for years, with the exceptional of 4k files (obvious ), and rmvb files, It will stream any files correctly from the my NAS.

Now, come the 4k, My first purchase was Ruko 4, Amazon streaming ( work ). 4k video demo ( mp4), I had down load from youtube will give me error, (as in file not supported), 1080 mkv file will play for 1/2 to 1 hour , then , those too will declared "file not support". 4k mkv file either elongated ( stretch ), or it will play for 1/2 hour, same error declare. I been back and forth with Roku support, no help.

Then pick up the MiBox. all the 4k problem, I had with the Roku had resolved. Sound great, right? Except for high bandwidth file such as Samsung demo file, it will stutter, due to WiFi only ( no hard wire), work around will be, attached a usb. And there are no Amazon video.

Now, thanks to Claw, I pick up the K8500 ( with ethernet hard wire ). Everything work, all my 4k files work, all my 1080 files work, amazon video work.
The only minor issue, is TrueHD for atmos, yes rmvb files ( expected ).
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Thanks Dan!

I was really worried for a moment. I read threads about people talking how great this movie was on IMAX scenes. Maybe they were just BS-ing, or who knows... I certainly did not see any full screen scenes, although the quality was great. HDR especially comes to fruition with my 65" KS8500.

I am itching to testing it with a full screen movie, but don't know which one is full screen on 4K disc. Life of Pi is, but I don't feel like renting it again, as I have seen it three times already
I don't know if anyone addressed ya with a 4k movie that is full screen, but, Pacific Rim 4k bluray is Full Screen. The entire movie is full screen. Fantastic is all I can say.
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My Denon doesn't add any time delay. If that were the issue, pausing/resuming play would not make a difference. Plus, I run two other components (PS3 and OPPO 103D) via the Denon and there are zero lip sync issues with them.


It's not a big issue with me; but there are plenty of posts on this thread discussing lip sync issues (106 to be exact).
I've recently had major issues with the player's audio delay. I think a recent firmware update messed it up. For UHD BluRays the delay matches other 4K sources for my TV set (about 180ms). For Netflix and Amazon on this player, I actually have to set a *negative* delay on my receiver. It appears that the player is internally setting a 250ms delay for Netflix and a 150ms delay for Amazon (so on my receiver I have to set -70ms for Netflix and 30ms for Amazon, rather than 180ms).

Given this disaster, I've stopped using the player for apps, and use them directly on my TV instead. Hope they fix it.
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Hey there, I was having the same issue with Audio dropping out. After wondering if I would have to somehow replace the expensive HDMI cable I just put in my wall, I found the issue was resolved by:
1) Ensuring my RX-v 581 was passing through a 4:4:4 signal to sammy KS9500 ... not sure if this actually is what fixed the problem but its a step I took... The receiver has a config, setting which gives option of 4:4:2 , 4:2:0 or 4:4:4.
2) Realizing that my sammy was already doing Deep color processing, I turned off the Deep Color setting on the player, and let my sammy do the work. I think this is perhaps what was causing the issue.
3) after this, I did a check to ensure that no other picture processing settings were selected on the player.

No more audio drops. Not sure If this helps, but it woked for me. GL

Sorry for taking so long to reply, been away in Thailand. I got back last week & my player had been repaired after 4 weeks. It was the Main PCB Board & they were waiting on the part to arrive. I've watched a few movies since then with no Audio drop outs.

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Can someone please help me with my bitstreaming issue?
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Can someone please help me with my bitstreaming issue?
What's the issue? Do you have the HDMI out set to Bitstream (Unprocessed)? Then, turn off PCM downconversion and Dynamic Range Control to make sure you get the best quality stream.

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Someone should update post #1 re: HDR on Netflix/Amazon if it is now supported ....
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My Denon handles input from 5 components (2 via ARC and 3 via direct HDMI). Four never have any lip sync issues. The fifth (my K8500) has occasional lip sync issues. But I guess that doesn't mean anything because you say the K8500 has no inherent lip sync issues. Maybe the Denon just likes to "pick on" the Samsung.
I've had lip sync issues with the Samsung and my Denon as well. No issues with my new PS4 Pro or my HTPC. However I do also have issues with the Roku. Maybe it is an issue with 4K in general and displays handling the signal. Who know. I've given up on it and just adjust my delay accordingly. It is especially irritating though when I have to re-adjust the delay for some reason... such as Amazon on the Samsung has more lip sync issues than a UHD disc.

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I've recently had major issues with the player's audio delay. I think a recent firmware update messed it up. For UHD BluRays the delay matches other 4K sources for my TV set (about 180ms). For Netflix and Amazon on this player, I actually have to set a *negative* delay on my receiver. It appears that the player is internally setting a 250ms delay for Netflix and a 150ms delay for Amazon (so on my receiver I have to set -70ms for Netflix and 30ms for Amazon, rather than 180ms).

Given this disaster, I've stopped using the player for apps, and use them directly on my TV instead. Hope they fix it.
It got super annoying for me to try and change audio delays on every diff. content be it, UHDs, Netflix, Amazon or USB files - so much so that I ended up returning the player.
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Can't figure this out. Just picked up this player and hooked it up to my Samsung Hu9000 TV running a SEK 2500. Plugged it into HDMI port 4 that has HDCP 2.2. The player goes to the home menu and starts a UHD disc but then the picture goes black with the HDMI flashing on the TV that no input was found. Am I missing something here? PS...This player upscales regular Blu-ray discs and DVDs incredibly well.
I think you need the SEK3500 for it to work....

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And now we know? More like, now you know...

I'm sure a search of the M-series thread would have yielded the same results since most of us "regulars" to this particular thread have been aware of the limitations of the Vizios such as those described in the posts I referred you to above posted way back in April 2016 -- very shortly after the player came out.

For example, without me spending much time, here are a couple of the more recent posts from the Official 2015 Vizio 4K UHD M Series Thread from back in June 2016...
At the risk of opening old wounds, I want to thank you for the help. Working it in with lots of other things, it still took me a while to find and sort out the info from the M-series thread (and I'm still working on it), but thanks primarily to @mpgxsvcd and @thomasfxlt I'm still considering the K8500 (partly because BB still has not gotten it to me). (One quote from mpgxsvcd captures the essence of why I'm still pursuing this: "I honestly am starting to wonder if all of those people who bought HDR TVs really know what they paid for. I have done enough research and testing with the K8500 to know that you can see most of the extra benefits of HDR even with a non-HDR TV.")

I also want to apologize to @claw for mis-characterizing his reply. Careful re-reading shows that others were disparaging of the tv, not claw. As he said, he was trying to help.
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My unit is coming tomorrow. In preparing I will probably use both hdmi connections. I'd assume that hdmi1 can be an older type cable since it's only carrying the sound. Is this correct? It should still pass atmos and dtsx

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My unit is coming tomorrow. In preparing I will probably use both hdmi connections. I'd assume that hdmi1 can be an older type cable since it's only carrying the sound. Is this correct? It should still pass atmos and dtsx
Correct, except it's HDMI 2 that is the audio-only, HDMI 1.4 port
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My unit is coming tomorrow. In preparing I will probably use both hdmi connections. I'd assume that hdmi1 can be an older type cable since it's only carrying the sound. Is this correct? It should still pass atmos and dtsx
That's correct, HDMI 2 outputs audio only so most any HDMI cable will do (and will pass Atmos/DTS:X)

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At the risk of opening old wounds, I want to thank you for the help. Working it in with lots of other things, it still took me a while to find and sort out the info from the M-series thread (and I'm still working on it), but thanks primarily to @mpgxsvcd and @thomasfxlt I'm still considering the K8500 (partly because BB still has not gotten it to me). (One quote from mpgxsvcd captures the essence of why I'm still pursuing this: "I honestly am starting to wonder if all of those people who bought HDR TVs really know what they paid for. I have done enough research and testing with the K8500 to know that you can see most of the extra benefits of HDR even with a non-HDR TV.")

I also want to apologize to @claw for mis-characterizing his reply. Careful re-reading shows that others were disparaging of the tv, not claw. As he said, he was trying to help.
I know from experience with the Samsung K8500 and the 2015 M80 that the two never worked properly together at least until I sold my M80 earlier this year. There always was an issue with a “Green” cast to the skin tones that I always saw. That is why I sold the M80 and bought the P75.

Maybe it has been fixed since I sold my M80. Maybe it hasn’t. Hopefully, others that still own the TV can clarify that.

I also would like to add that the latest Vizio beta firmware has similar “Green cast” issues with my P75 that my M80 showed when playing UHD HDR discs. I have my doubts as to whether this issue has completely gone away entirely.

I will also say that the color differences in these displays do matter for HDR. The non-HDR TVs can take advantage of their brightness and local dimming functions with UHD Blu-rays. It isn’t real HDR but it gets close enough.

What they can’t do is take advantage of the colors and that REALLY REALLY matters. Even the P75 doesn’t have the color spectrum that the OLED TVs have. However, the P75 is miles ahead of the 2016 M80, and light years ahead of the 2015 M80 in terms of color. The difference is absolutely noticeable between the Vizio displays.

If you compare the Samsung and Sony WCG TVs to their non-WCG counterparts there isn’t as much of a difference as with the Vizio displays. The non-WCG Sony and Samsung TVs are a lot closer to the P75 than they are to the M80.

Honestly, in the beginning HDR wasn’t fully baked. Nothing really worked perfectly with it. Back then the difference between HDR and non-HDR wasn’t as apparent. Now it is and most of that is due to the color differences which I have said all along.
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What's the issue? Do you have the HDMI out set to Bitstream (Unprocessed)? Then, turn off PCM downconversion and Dynamic Range Control to make sure you get the best quality stream.
Yes it is on Bitstream unprocessed with those settings off. The receiver shows dolby digital plus, but the problem is it is only receiving 2.0 and not 5.1. It receives DD+ in 5.1 just fine from my HTPC. This is for both Amazon and Netflix. So i have to keep switching between PCM and bitstream to get surround sound for blu rays and netflix.
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Yes it is on Bitstream unprocessed with those settings off. The receiver shows dolby digital plus, but the problem is it is only receiving 2.0 and not 5.1. It receives DD+ in 5.1 just fine from my HTPC. This is for both Amazon and Netflix. So i have to keep switching between PCM and bitstream to get surround sound for blu rays and netflix.
Which receiver are you using?

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Yamaha RX-V863.
It is remotely possible that because your receiver is of the "older" variety and uses out of date HDMI chipsets (with an older HDCP encryption version as well) that the streaming apps are down-converting the audio to the stereo audio stream due to the fact you don't have an "acceptable" HDCP handshake. I know that Amazon and Netflix have become far more strict when they don't "see" an HDCP 2.2 chipset, sometimes crippling the video or not displaying the video at all if a particular title had its copy protection flags set to the most stringent level (with a splash screen stating you don't have an HDCP 2.2 compliant device). Maybe they're starting to do something similar to the audio track.

Why the apps would allow an "internal" DD+ codec conversion to PCM is because the Samsung player and its app are HDCP 2.2 compatible internally (just like a newer 4k TV with smart apps built-in). A good guess supposition on my part, but another potential reason for converted multi-channel PCM coming through and not a multi-channel raw stream. Multi-channel PCM was always allowable in even the earliest iterations of HDMI... long before DD+ came on the scene.. and not subject to the same copy restriction schemes.

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It is remotely possible that because your receiver is of the "older" variety and uses out of date HDMI chipsets (with an older HDCP encryption version as well) that the streaming apps are down-converting the audio to the stereo audio stream due to the fact you don't have an "acceptable" HDCP handshake. I know that Amazon and Netflix have become far more strict when they don't "see" an HDCP 2.2 chipset, sometimes crippling the video or not displaying the video at all if a particular title had its copy protection flags set to the most stringent level (with a splash screen stating you don't have an HDCP 2.2 compliant device). Maybe they're starting to do something similar to the audio track.

Why the apps would allow an "internal" DD+ codec conversion to PCM is because the Samsung player and its app are HDCP 2.2 compatible internally (just like a newer 4k TV with smart apps built-in). A good guess supposition on my part, but another potential reason for converted multi-channel PCM coming through and not a multi-channel raw stream. Multi-channel PCM was always allowable in even the earliest iterations of HDMI... long before DD+ came on the scene.. and not subject to the same copy restriction schemes.
That would be plausible but a) the HDMI 2 output is designed specifically for receivers without HDCP 2.2 inputs and b) UHD blurays and regular blurays transmit bitstreamed lossless audio (Dolby THD and DTS MA) just perfectly. So does your receiver receive DD+ in 5.1 bitstream from netflix?
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That would be plausible but a) the HDMI 2 output is designed specifically for receivers without HDCP 2.2 inputs and b) UHD blurays and regular blurays transmit bitstreamed lossless audio (Dolby THD and DTS MA) just perfectly. So does your receiver receive DD+ in 5.1 bitstream from netflix?
a) Yes, but not the earliest HDMI/HDCP iterations. There have been others with weird problems cropping up with older HDMI gear. Things get finicky.

The copy restrictions are not always set the same between streaming companies and consumer discs. Each can set their own parameters and flags for what is deemed acceptable, even on a title by title basis.

b) I have a Marantz 7702 mkII pre-amp with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 ports. I do receive Dolby Digital Plus streams in 5.1 from the Samsung player. Vudu will even spit out 7.1 or Dolby Atmos in DD+ lossy on a compatible title. No problems so far. Knock on plastic keyboard. I had the player hooked to my dad's Denon receiver to see if he would like one too, which is about three years old, via HDMI 2 out and also had no issues getting DD+ multi-channel.


I have run across the HDCP 2.2 video streaming issue I also mentioned on Netflix personally, especially on certain 4k titles when I temporarily hooked everything to my older 1080p Samsung flat panel. Once I switched to my newer 4k TV with HDCP 2.2, the problem went away.

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I've had lip sync issues with the Samsung and my Denon as well. No issues with my new PS4 Pro or my HTPC. However I do also have issues with the Roku. Maybe it is an issue with 4K in general and displays handling the signal. Who know. I've given up on it and just adjust my delay accordingly. It is especially irritating though when I have to re-adjust the delay for some reason... such as Amazon on the Samsung has more lip sync issues than a UHD disc.

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Do you use dual hdmi setup up for sound or single?

When I switched to a single hdmi setup (new hdr capable avr), my lip sync issues went away.
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Do you use dual hdmi setup up for sound or single?

When I switched to a single hdmi setup (new hdr capable avr), my lip sync issues went away.
This would make sense because then only one entity can control the clock.
In my limited scientific knowledge, i have found with dual HDMI set ups over the years that when you have a 3 way split you can have one item requesting a stream at 24fps and another wanting it at 23.97fps and some sytems chipsets can cope, some can't. This is why it sometimes looks like it is in sync, then not as the 2 streams catch up with each other, it is also one of my explanations for occasional black screens.
I own a Pioneer BDP-450 blu-ray player, it now resides in the Bedroom mainly because it was / is impossible to sync the audio in a dual HDMI setup, either with auto settings or manual lip sync settings, apparently the player uses the Marvel quedeo processing chip for the main HDMI output which is what gives it such a stunning picture, the second HDMI does not route through this chip and does not sync to its clock, a major oversight from such a big company but it is well documented.
To summarise, too many permutations combined with equipment that doesn't work as smartly as you think it should leads to different problems for different people.
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Someone should update post #1 re: HDR on Netflix/Amazon if it is now supported ....
Is it the 1009 firmware which supports HDR Netflix, or is there a newer version.
I had the 1009 installed, but can't remember it giving med HDR on Netflix.
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Is it the 1009 firmware which supports HDR Netflix, or is there a newer version.
I had the 1009 installed, but can't remember it giving med HDR on Netflix.
No Netflix HDR for K8500 yet

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$20 says HDR never comes to the player and will be in gen 2 of the model.

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At the risk of opening old wounds, I want to thank you for the help. Working it in with lots of other things, it still took me a while to find and sort out the info from the M-series thread (and I'm still working on it), but thanks primarily to @mpgxsvcd and @thomasfxlt I'm still considering the K8500 (partly because BB still has not gotten it to me). (One quote from mpgxsvcd captures the essence of why I'm still pursuing this: "I honestly am starting to wonder if all of those people who bought HDR TVs really know what they paid for. I have done enough research and testing with the K8500 to know that you can see most of the extra benefits of HDR even with a non-HDR TV.")
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really?

in my situation I would have to disagree
I have a Sony 65X950B...a well regarded but not HDR capable TV
I also have a Samsung KS8000

The Sony is clearly a better TV, in all instances except HDR ,than the Samsung
The Samsung , with HDR material, is definitely a grade above the Sony
In fact, as I have said before, I think HDR makes a bigger difference than 4K vs 1080P

I would like to think I see most of the benefits of HDR on the Sony
But the sad truth is that I dont

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It isn’t real HDR but it gets close enough.

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I am seeing much bigger differences than you are

Comparing a Sony 65X950B to a Samsung 60KS8000

could it vary by what display you have I assume...the differences you see?

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