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To make things worse, Samsung UHD player outputs the movie as 4K/24 4:4:4 10bit and menu as 4K/60 4:4:4 10bit.
Just a small correction to this. The menu is displayed in 4K/60 4:4:4 8bit which is stressing out the HDMI cables for some as it is causing the player to output 17.8Gbps.

Hey guys, just smack me upside of the head if you are getting tired of my posts correcting people, lol.
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Youtube 4k w/HDR is not available through any TV nor 4k player
And this is how misinformation on AVS Forums is spread.

That's false.

It's now available through the Samsung 2016 SUHD range of TVs
as well. A firmware update which adds support for VP9 profile 2 started rolling out over a fortnight ago on Nov 21st.

Samsung have also committed to enabling Dynamic HDR10 on these models.

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Howdy UBD-K85000 gurus. I'm considering taking the K8500 plunge but I have a few questions about its compatibility with my TV. I have a 2015 Samsung 4K display - UN50JU6401F. Here is a page from the manual (I don't understand the dashes & zeros, someone explain please). My questions are:

1. Is this an HDR TV?

2. From the manual, it looks like I have to use the HDMI IN (STB/DVI) port for maximum resolution (please confirm).

3. How close will my TV get to the picture quality needed for the 4K UHD Blu-rays to look their best through the K85000?

FYI, I have the latest Roku 4 & it allows me to use the 10 bit 4K setting. And, when watching 4K programming through Netflix, my TV display reads 3840 x 2160 (and it looks fabulous!).

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BD-R DL keeps looping back to menu

So I burned an ISO of Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized Edition 2.7 to a BD-R DL blu-ray. It plays just fine on my PS3 and on my old Pioneer blu-ray player. Every time I put the disc into the 8500, it loads, shows all the menu options and allows me to select, but when I hit play or enter, it simply restarts the menu title screen.

A couple times, I've seen the "this cannot be performed because of a disc restriction" message, but it's not consistent.

I've held down the power button in standby, and set BD-Live to "prohibit".

Is this something janky between the 8500 and burned discs? (BTW, this happened on all the discs from the Despecialized set).

Anybody?
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Howdy UBD-K85000 gurus. I'm considering taking the K8500 plunge but I have a few questions about its compatibility with my TV. I have a 2015 Samsung 4K display - UN50JU6401F. Here is a page from the manual (I don't understand the dashes & zeros, someone explain please). My questions are:

1. Is this an HDR TV?

2. From the manual, it looks like I have to use the HDMI IN (STB/DVI) port for maximum resolution (please confirm).

3. How close will my TV get to the picture quality needed for the 4K UHD Blu-rays to look their best through the K85000?

FYI, I have the latest Roku 4 & it allows me to use the 10 bit 4K setting. And, when watching 4K programming through Netflix, my TV display reads 3840 x 2160 (and it looks fabulous!).

Thanks!
1) Yes, apparently. May require the latest firmware.

2) Not sure. Some TVs don't give HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 (required for playing UHD/HDR Blu Ray disks) on all their HDMI ports. I haven't spotted specs for the UN50JU6401F at that level of detail.

3)Nice.

You could experiment with some UHD/HDR demos from:

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr

(Run them form a USB flash drive.) The "LG Chess" demo and the Samsung "Chasing the Light" ones are particularly good for showing HDR (or its lack).
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Anyone know if this cable passes HDR and would work well to give me excellent quality with this blu-ray player? Will likely buy two since I'm running one through the soundbar. Price is not an issue.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/monster-...?skuId=9912917
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Anyone know if this cable passes HDR and would work well to give me excellent quality with this blu-ray player? Will likely buy two since I'm running one through the soundbar. Price is not an issue.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/monster-...?skuId=9912917
Just get the Monoprice certified cables. You can get at least eight of them(at 6 foot lengths) for the same price as that mONSTER CABLE.
And the Monoprice cables are individually tested with results available for each cable. As will be all the Certified Premium High Speed HDMI cables sold from any vendor. Like Blue Jeans Cable as well.

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1) Yes, apparently. May require the latest firmware.

2) Not sure. Some TVs don't give HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 (required for playing UHD/HDR Blu Ray disks) on all their HDMI ports. I haven't spotted specs for the UN50JU6401F at that level of detail.

3)Nice.

You could experiment with some UHD/HDR demos from:

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr

(Run them form a USB flash drive.) The "LG Chess" demo and the Samsung "Chasing the Light" ones are particularly good for showing HDR (or its lack).
3 - A quick look of the reviews when this model came out state without any type of localised dimming the TV wasn't suitable for HDR, it seems Samsung have released and HDR firmware for it, if the reviews are to be beleived it may just be a token gesture, and on some titles make them look more dull than the blu ray.
Just my opinion, without anyone seeing it with their own eyes i don't know.
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So I burned an ISO of Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized Edition 2.7 to a BD-R DL blu-ray. It plays just fine on my PS3 and on my old Pioneer blu-ray player. Every time I put the disc into the 8500, it loads, shows all the menu options and allows me to select, but when I hit play or enter, it simply restarts the menu title screen.

A couple times, I've seen the "this cannot be performed because of a disc restriction" message, but it's not consistent.

I've held down the power button in standby, and set BD-Live to "prohibit".

Is this something janky between the 8500 and burned discs? (BTW, this happened on all the discs from the Despecialized set).

Anybody?
This player doesn't like disks authored with certain semi-pro authoring software (Adobe is one i think), those of us who calibrate and have Ted's pattern disk have run into the same problem.
I keep talking like i still own the player, i have sold mine and am on the list for an Oppo, sorry.
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Yes, several of us use it.
And it has more functions too.
Dedicated buttons for fast forward and rewind.
Dedicated buttons for sound track and subtitles. (These also work on Netflix, so no need to get into the language menu).
If you have a Samsung tv, in will also control channel + -, mute sound, as well as the volume up/down, source and power.
And if I remember correctly, the "[email protected]"-key on the remote, takes you to your app-screen.
How long did it take to get this unit? Ordered mine from your link on the 20th and was curious. http://www.ebay.com/itm/281730513357...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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BTW liked the 8500 so much I bought a second one.

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I ordered mine the 16th of November, and it arrived about 18-20 days later.
So I bet your is just around the corner.
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I ordered mine the 16th of November, and it arrived about 18-20 days later.
So I bet your is just around the corner.
Many thanks and may order another if this one turns out good to go.

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Did a very primitive test this morning of an UHD disk and BD disk of Divergent on a high end 1080P Samsung 8000 TV.

Looked like to me that the BD version of the same movie had deeper colors than the downgraded UHD version on a 1080P on the screen.

Using High speed internet HDMI cables. TV is 2.2 complaint.

Well did a FW update on the Samsung 8000 and I am not sure but I think the pictures are equal now. very subjective at best.

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Just get the Monoprice certified cables. You can get at least eight of them(at 6 foot lengths) for the same price as that mONSTER CABLE.
And the Monoprice cables are individually tested with results available for each cable. As will be all the Certified Premium High Speed HDMI cables sold from any vendor. Like Blue Jeans Cable as well.
Speaking of cables how fast should the speed be? I like to shop Amazon since they have the awesome return policy.

Would these work?

https://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-F...i+cable+6+feet

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Braided...i+cable+6+feet
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Just get the Monoprice certified cables. You can get at least eight of them(at 6 foot lengths) for the same price as that mONSTER CABLE.
And the Monoprice cables are individually tested with results available for each cable. As will be all the Certified Premium High Speed HDMI cables sold from any vendor. Like Blue Jeans Cable as well.
1000% agree- I am running older Monoprice cables with all HDR chain with no issues.
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1000% agree- I am running older Monoprice cables with all HDR chain with no issues.
Tim, did you check your Yamaha AVR is not still on the default 4K Mode - "Mode 2"?

"Mode 2" strips out all video modes >9Gbps from those available to your sources, specifically to allow older/poorer cables to work.

You have to manually change the Yamaha to 4K Mode 1 to allow sources to use higher bitrate UHD modes.
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1) Yes, apparently. May require the latest firmware.

2) Not sure. Some TVs don't give HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 (required for playing UHD/HDR Blu Ray disks) on all their HDMI ports. I haven't spotted specs for the UN50JU6401F at that level of detail.

3)Nice.

You could experiment with some UHD/HDR demos from:

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr

(Run them form a USB flash drive.) The "LG Chess" demo and the Samsung "Chasing the Light" ones are particularly good for showing HDR (or its lack).
Thanks. As far as Q2. That's why I attached the page from the manual. I'm just not sure how to interpret it. I'm thinking the "-" dashes mean no & the "0" zeros mean yes. I'm not sure how else to check the specs for the HDMI ports. Also, thanks for turning me on to the UHD demos. Those should help a lot. Ultimately, I'm trying to decide if my TV's pq limitations makes buying the K8500 a waste of $ until I get the latest model 4KTV (i.e. one that is definitely HDR & has the latest HDMI).

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This player doesn't like disks authored with certain semi-pro authoring software (Adobe is one i think), those of us who calibrate and have Ted's pattern disk have run into the same problem.
I keep talking like i still own the player, i have sold mine and am on the list for an Oppo, sorry.
Hmm... I only burned the ISO from the File menu on my Mac. No authoring software at all, really. I assume Toast would cause the same issue.
I'm waiting for the Oppo, as well, and may likely sell this, as I have a Roku Premiere +, so the streaming is a non-issue.
But will the Oppo work? One can only hope.
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Speaking of cables how fast should the speed be? I like to shop Amazon since they have the awesome return policy.

Would these work?

https://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-F...i+cable+6+feet

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Braided...i+cable+6+feet
I have used the Mediabridge 1.5 foot, 3 foot and 15 foot successfully but when I tried the 20 foot it would not work! It seems a lot of cables work up to 10 or 15 feet but then get questionable. For the 20 foot I went to the Monoprice certified cable and it worked perfectly.
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Thanks. As far as Q2. That's why I attached the page from the manual. I'm just not sure how to interpret it. I'm thinking the "-" dashes mean no & the "0" zeros mean yes. I'm not sure how else to check the specs for the HDMI ports. Also, thanks for turning me on to the UHD demos. Those should help a lot. Ultimately, I'm trying to decide if my TV's pq limitations makes buying the K8500 a waste of $ until I get the latest model 4KTV (i.e. one that is definitely HDR & has the latest HDMI).
I meant to include this link:

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/...N50JU6401FXZA&

The JU6401 supports HDR10, but not HDR1000. I'd guess that it's probably on par with current "entry level" UHD HDR sets like the KU6300.

Your reading of dashes as 'no', and zeroes as 'yes", appears to be correct.

I'm not sure what to recommend. The UDB-K8500 was a steal when it was on sale for $200US. It's less so at its current BestBuy price ($280). The Philips BDP7501 is more basic (only 2 streaming apps), but it has good performance for UHD BDs and it currently sells for $230. (There was briefly a deal on them from Nebraska Furniture Mart for $97 shipped.) Considering that they are both first generation UHD players, they are very good.
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My sadly delayed K8500 finally arrived -- at exactly the date originally promised. Odd how "delays" in handling seem so interminable to the one waiting -- and get overcome by overnight shipping. Kudos for BB for meeting the commitment despite the credit card snafu. (Card issuer had decided that an unusual Black Friday purchase from BB Online MUST mean fraud.)

Out of the box, simply sub'd in for my aging Panasonic, everything worked fine. Old bluray, CD and new UHD BR. The UHD test disc is the oft-viewed movie Independence Day. The picture is fine (frankly better than the 7-yr-old player). The UHD disc plays back quite a bit darker than the BR, but a tweak on the Samsung's Brightness setting easily overcame that. No issues with any source material and I'm still sitting fine pending getting a TV that will show what UHD is really about.

With latent concerns laid to rest, I can now move on with trying to coax out of the K8500 whatever my Vizio M55-C2 will allow. I have some new Monoprice Certified High Speed HDMI cables on hand just in case. Thanks to all those here and on the Vizio M-series owners thread for doing all the long and hard work to make it much easier for me and others who are willing to push the M-series limits.

And I'm always open to suggestions for a 65" UHD HDR WCG tv to be purchased sometime in the Super Bowl to late Spring time frame. The Samsung UN65KS9000 is currently the standard. With my super bright viewing room I'm not looking at OLED. The Samsung KS9800 does make the cut because of FALD, but the cost is daunting. Gotta see what happens after CES.

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The UHD disc plays back quite a bit darker than the BR, but a tweak on the Samsung's Brightness setting easily overcame that. No issues with any source material and I'm still sitting fine pending getting a TV that will show what UHD is really about.
I'm slightly worried that you've used the word "overcame", implying that you thought it was a fault. Remember that HDR means a higher dynamic range, which can easily include an entire movie looking darker than its SDR equivalent. I'm not saying this is definitely the case with your disc, but for example if the average light level in the SDR version had to be artificially lifted to avoid detail being lost in the shadows this can be a reason. When it's corrected for the UHD HDR disc, the new correct version will look darker than the bodged SDR version, because it's now back to how it was was always supposed to look.

have a read of
This Sony PDF
“The Blacklist” screenshots page 5 for an example.

Hope that makes sense
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My sadly delayed K8500 finally arrived -- at exactly the date originally promised. Odd how "delays" in handling seem so interminable to the one waiting -- and get overcome by overnight shipping. Kudos for BB for meeting the commitment despite the credit card snafu. (Card issuer had decided that an unusual Black Friday purchase from BB Online MUST mean fraud.)

Out of the box, simply sub'd in for my aging Panasonic, everything worked fine. Old bluray, CD and new UHD BR. The UHD test disc is the oft-viewed movie Independence Day. The picture is fine (frankly better than the 7-yr-old player). The UHD disc plays back quite a bit darker than the BR, but a tweak on the Samsung's Brightness setting easily overcame that. No issues with any source material and I'm still sitting fine pending getting a TV that will show what UHD is really about.

With latent concerns laid to rest, I can now move on with trying to coax out of the K8500 whatever my Vizio M55-C2 will allow. I have some new Monoprice Certified High Speed HDMI cables on hand just in case. Thanks to all those here and on the Vizio M-series owners thread for doing all the long and hard work to make it much easier for me and others who are willing to push the M-series limits.

And I'm always open to suggestions for a 65" UHD HDR WCG tv to be purchased sometime in the Super Bowl to late Spring time frame. The Samsung UN65KS9000 is currently the standard. With my super bright viewing room I'm not looking at OLED. The Samsung KS9800 does make the cut because of FALD, but the cost is daunting. Gotta see what happens after CES.
For HDR sources, suggest you return your brightness setting to normal, and try increasing gamma two clicks (e.g., "0" to "+2"). Without researching the technical reason, I'll just say that it was previously recommended by a SpectraCal employee and seems to be the method used by most of the posters on the thread.
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I meant to include this link:

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/...N50JU6401FXZA&

The JU6401 supports HDR10, but not HDR1000. I'd guess that it's probably on par with current "entry level" UHD HDR sets like the KU6300.

Your reading of dashes as 'no', and zeroes as 'yes", appears to be correct.

I'm not sure what to recommend. The UDB-K8500 was a steal when it was on sale for $200US. It's less so at its current BestBuy price ($280). The Philips BDP7501 is more basic (only 2 streaming apps), but it has good performance for UHD BDs and it currently sells for $230. (There was briefly a deal on them from Nebraska Furniture Mart for $97 shipped.) Considering that they are both first generation UHD players, they are very good.
There is no such thing as HDR 1000, it's just what Samsung calls its 2016 SUHD line since those TV's can display 1000 nits. It's all just HDR 10 support.

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Just get the Monoprice certified cables. You can get at least eight of them(at 6 foot lengths) for the same price as that mONSTER CABLE.
And the Monoprice cables are individually tested with results available for each cable. As will be all the Certified Premium High Speed HDMI cables sold from any vendor. Like Blue Jeans Cable as well.
I can get the monster cable for $10 which is why i was leaning towards it. Where can i purchase the monoprice cables you mrntioned? I only need 4 or 5 feet.
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I can get the monster cable for $10 which is why i was leaning towards it. Where can i purchase the monoprice cables you mrntioned? I only need 4 or 5 feet.
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I'm slightly worried that you've used the word "overcame", implying that you thought it was a fault. Remember that HDR means a higher dynamic range, which can easily include an entire movie looking darker than its SDR equivalent. I'm not saying this is definitely the case with your disc, but for example if the average light level in the SDR version had to be artificially lifted to avoid detail being lost in the shadows this can be a reason. When it's corrected for the UHD HDR disc, the new correct version will look darker than the bodged SDR version, because it's now back to how it was was always supposed to look.

have a read of
This Sony PDF
“The Blacklist” screenshots page 5 for an example.

Hope that makes sense
Thanks, but don't be concerned -- I understood it was just an expediency which allowed me to enjoy the new player today rather than screwing around with settings for a while (or days or ...).

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For HDR sources, suggest you return your brightness setting to normal, and try increasing gamma two clicks (e.g., "0" to "+2"). Without researching the technical reason, I'll just say that it was previously recommended by a SpectraCal employee and seems to be the method used by most of the posters on the thread.
And another "thanks", I'll try that out. I actually did find it, but need to back off the brightness first.
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