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"Non-TV devices only support HDR..."
I'm confused, so the Netflix app on this player does or does not support HDR? Is there a difference between HDR and UHD HDR? We currently have a Samsung UN65KS9500 and are thoroughly enjoying the Netflix 4K streaming but, because our receiver is pre-4K, are not able to utilize the rest of our system when watching. Was hoping this player would solve that issue...
You can enjoy 4K+HDR by connecting two cables, the main HDMI1 output directly to your 4K+HDR capable TV carrying HDMI2.0a signal, and then connect the audio-only HDMI2 to your receiver. That is the whole reason why this player has two HDMI sockets
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"Non-TV devices only support HDR..."
I'm confused, so the Netflix app on this player does or does not support HDR? Is there a difference between HDR and UHD HDR? We currently have a Samsung UN65KS9500 and are thoroughly enjoying the Netflix 4K streaming but, because our receiver is pre-4K, are not able to utilize the rest of our system when watching. Was hoping this player would solve that issue...
The Netflix app on the K8500 plays 4K but not HDR.
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The Netflix app on the K8500 plays 4K but not HDR.
Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Are there any UHD BD players that do?

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Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Are there any UHD BD players that do?
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The Philips BDP7501.
Thank you. Kind of shocking that the cheapest UHD BD player on the market is the only one that actually streams Netflix 4K content. Now I'm trying to decide between the Philips and the XBox One S....

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Thank you. Kind of shocking that the cheapest UHD BD player on the market is the only one that actually streams Netflix 4K content. Now I'm trying to decide between the Philips and the XBox One S....
But it's not the only one that does 4K content! You mean HDR I presume.

The Netflix app on the K8500 plays 4K but not HDR.

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Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Are there any UHD BD players that do?
Also the Xbox One S is a UHD Blu-ray player that streams Netflix UHD HDR.

The samsung UBD-K8500 is the only one that streams Amazon HDR.

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The samsung UBD-K8500 is the only one that streams Amazon HDR.
How do you know the res and WCG settings of a program you're watching with the Amazon app? I was watching last night and couldn't figure out how to display it.

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How do you know the res and WCG settings of a program you're watching with the Amazon app? I was watching last night and couldn't figure out how to display it.
When you pause, it displays in the bottom-left corner (You'll see 1080p, UHD, and/or HDR).

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When you pause, it displays in the bottom-left corner (You'll see 1080p, UHD, and/or HDR).
Got it.

Is there a way to check your connection speed during streaming with Amazon?

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Is there a way to check your connection speed during streaming with Amazon?
Amazon no , netflix yes
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But it's not the only one that does 4K content! You mean HDR I presume.

The Netflix app on the K8500 plays 4K but not HDR.
Sorry. Meant HDR. It's pretty silly that Philips makes the only UHD BD player on the market that streams Netflix HDR content, (other than the XBox One S), and it also just so happens to be the cheapest UHD BD player out there right now.

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So I've found that the best picture on this player is given by using 'User' for Picture mode and setting color to 5 and contrast to 5. It looks pretty similar to Dynamic mode. Much better than the bland Movie or Standard picture modes (although I do use Movie mode on my TV.)
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Not anymore - they got rid of that info at the top left.
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Hi,

I'm new to the forum and the the Samsung UHD-K8500, hoping someone can help me out!

Up til yesterday, I'd only payed the 3 discs that came with the player and they've all been fine. Yesterday I bought The Great Gatsby and it wouldn't play, just kept getting the message 'disc does not meet specifications'. Has anyone else had this issue?

I've tried speaking to Samsung but they were useless, just keep telling em that the bluray player wont play some types of files, those files being UHD blurays???

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Hi,

I'm new to the forum and the the Samsung UHD-K8500, hoping someone can help me out!

Up til yesterday, I'd only payed the 3 discs that came with the player and they've all been fine. Yesterday I bought The Great Gatsby and it wouldn't play, just kept getting the message 'disc does not meet specifications'. Has anyone else had this issue?

I've tried speaking to Samsung but they were useless, just keep telling em that the bluray player wont play some types of files, those files being UHD blurays???

Thanks.
Probably bad disk/I had to take another UHD disk back to BB since it would not play on any of my 3 UHD players. Replacement disk played fine BTW.

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Probably bad disk/I had to take another UHD disk back to BB since it would not play on any of my 3 UHD players. Replacement disk played fine BTW.

25 UHD movies and they all pay in all 3 players.
Cheer etp, I have another copy coming today so fingers crossed.

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Not anymore - they got rid of that info at the top left.
If you go into Netflix settings, you can check your connection speed.

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Got it.

Is there a way to check your connection speed during streaming with Amazon?
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Not anymore - they got rid of that info at the top left.
You never could check the connection speed with Netflix, and you can't with Amazon. All you could/can do is see what resolution encode is playing. And each resolution has several bitrate encodes it plays. So you have no idea what the bitrate is of the encode playing. Only the resolution. So for instance with Netflix, there are three or four encode bitrates for UHD. So even when there was the display info in the upper left, you had no idea which bitrate was being used. Just that it was playing an encode at a resolution of 2160P.

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You never could check the connection speed with Netflix, and you can't with Amazon. All you could/can do is see what resolution encode is playing. And each resolution has several bitrate encodes it plays. So you have no idea what the bitrate is of the encode playing. Only the resolution. So for instance with Netflix, there are three or four encode bitrates for UHD. So even when there was the display info in the upper left, you had no idea which bitrate was being used. Just that it was playing an encode at a resolution of 2160P.
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Has anyone had any issues playing a DVD with 2 channel PCM audio? I had a DVD that played fine on my laptop and my Sony Blu-Ray changer, but not on this. I have not found another disc I have with PCM to try but am trying to get a hold of one to try it.
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Has anyone had any issues playing a DVD with 2 channel PCM audio? I had a DVD that played fine on my laptop and my Sony Blu-Ray changer, but not on this. I have not found another disc I have with PCM to try but am trying to get a hold of one to try it.
Tried both commercially bought DVD and Blu-ray, and both played fine with 2 channel PCM. The DVD had 2 audio tracks, one being stereo PCM, and the Blu-ray only has the stereo PCM, no other audio option.
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You never could check the connection speed with Netflix, and you can't with Amazon. All you could/can do is see what resolution encode is playing. And each resolution has several bitrate encodes it plays. So you have no idea what the bitrate is of the encode playing. Only the resolution. So for instance with Netflix, there are three or four encode bitrates for UHD. So even when there was the display info in the upper left, you had no idea which bitrate was being used. Just that it was playing an encode at a resolution of 2160P.
That's nonsense. Of course you still can on the Netflix app.
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So I've found that the best picture on this player is given by using 'User' for Picture mode and setting color to 5 and contrast to 5. It looks pretty similar to Dynamic mode. Much better than the bland Movie or Standard picture modes (although I do use Movie mode on my TV.)
Ah, interesting settings!

TB4, I was initially confused by this post, as I had to wait till I got home to check, but im guessing you are talking about configuring picture settings on your KS8000 for watching Blu Rays and UHD BDs, not on the K8500 - as there are no "picture" or color/contrast settings to change in the player's options screen (that I'm aware of, anyway).

I'm also assuming you are talking about Natural, as it does look a lot like default Dynamic mode. Also your "5" for both color and contrast is supposed to 50, correct? Either way, I see you are well in favor of a backlight of 20, among other things. What I'd like to know is what movies and content to have you tested with this that made you gravitate away from Movie mode?

I personally just threw in my Excalibur BD and have been messing around with different settings, and I do have to say an older film like this, albeit with some strong colors, does look pretty good with a maxed Backlight setting. But something like, i dont know.... Age of Ultron, I would be much more inclined to go with the Movie mode I've been using for the majority of things.

Have you tried many different films with these settings? Do most people max things out this way as a general rule when watching BDs with this tv?

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Ah, interesting settings!

TB4, I was initially confused by this post, as I had to wait till I got home to check, but im guessing you are talking about configuring picture settings on your KS8000 for watching Blu Rays and UHD BDs, not on the K8500 - as there are no "picture" or color/contrast settings to change in the player's options screen (that I'm aware of, anyway).

I'm also assuming you are talking about Natural, as it does look a lot like default Dynamic mode. Also your "5" for both color and contrast is supposed to 50, correct? Either way, I see you are well in favor of a backlight of 20, among other things. What I'd like to know is what movies and content to have you tested with this that made you gravitate away from Movie mode?

I personally just threw in my Excalibur BD and have been messing around with different settings, and I do have to say an older film like this, albeit with some strong colors, does look pretty good with a maxed Backlight setting. But something like, i dont know.... Age of Ultron, I would be much more inclined to go with the Movie mode I've been using for the majority of things.

Have you tried many different films with these settings? Do most people max things out this way as a general rule when watching BDs with this tv?
No, I'm referring to the settings on the K8500. While you're watching a movie, click 123 button on your remote and then click right until you reach the extra settings. There you'll see "Picture mode." Select 'User' and then you'll see a bunch of settings - brightness, contrast, color, etc.

On my TV I use Movie for the Picture mode.
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So I've found that the best picture on this player is given by using 'User' for Picture mode and setting color to 5 and contrast to 5. It looks pretty similar to Dynamic mode. Much better than the bland Movie or Standard picture modes (although I do use Movie mode on my TV.)
There was a lot of discussion about this in the early days of the player and the consensus was to select the "User" mode (there is a post a couple of posts above which explain how to do this) but to set all of the settings to "0" (zero). That is what I use and I'm very happy with it but I'm using it in a totally light controlled home theater with a projector so I'm not interested in an over saturated and super bright "Dynamic" type picture. For those of you battling bright conditions, this is probably a good suggestion.
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JK. But you are missing out. I just watched the Hateful Eight, which is 2.76:1 and had black bars like you ain't never seen... and it was glorious!
Should be my call whether I want to watch a movie on my 65" tv with 4 million pixels with 20-25% of them black from letterbox.
Watched Sausage Party in 4K in full screen last night. Will probably be able to watch Secret Life of Pets within the next couple of weeks in full too.
Watched Magnificent 7 on Blu Ray and it HAS to be displayed in letterbox format.
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Watched Magnificent 7 on Blu Ray and it HAS to be displayed in letterbox format.
I'll be selling this player if the new Sony 4K player gets me back to being able to watch my Blu Rays and 4K discs in full screen that are very wide screen format.
LOL. It's like going back in time to the late 1990s and the launch of DVD all over again. Most TVs can do zooming for you, you don't need the function in the player. What do you(*)/would you do when a TV station broadcasts a 2.35:1 movie properly - phone up and complain, or simply zoom it on your TV?

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Should be my call whether I want to watch a movie on my 65" tv with 4 million pixels with 20-25% of them black from letterbox.
Watched Sausage Party in 4K in full screen last night. Will probably be able to watch Secret Life of Pets within the next couple of weeks in full too.
Watched Magnificent 7 on Blu Ray and it HAS to be displayed in letterbox format.
I'll be selling this player if the new Sony 4K player gets me back to being able to watch my Blu Rays and 4K discs in full screen that are very wide screen format.
And just to help you out on the math, it's not 4 million pixels, it's over 8 million pixels!

1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600
3840 x 2160 = 8,294,400

Four times the resolution of HD.


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Originally Posted by mrtickleuk View Post
LOL. It's like going back in time to the late 1990s and the launch of DVD all over again. Most TVs can do zooming for you, you don't need the function in the player. What do you(*)/would you do when a TV station broadcasts a 2.35:1 movie properly - phone up and complain, or simply zoom it on your TV?

All you have to do when settling down to watch is turn the lights off. Don't fret about whether the black you see is within the boundaries or the glass, or not.

(*) Thankfully, in the UK all subscription movie channels and many free ones respect the original aspect ratio of a film and broadcast it as intended.
The Sony 950B offered the option to zoom with my old Sony Blu Ray player, but yes, I guess turning off the lights and/or moving the couch 3-5 feet closer to the tv are splendid options for guys worried about "respecting" the original aspect ratio of a film.

Good analogy to the late 90's tho.
Who needs 4 million pixels.
LOL.
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