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post #11671 of 14194 Old 01-21-2017, 03:35 PM
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I don't calibrate using a DVD for patterns. So, can't compare on my own. So, I can't do that test.
If you noticed, I posed a question as to HOW the readings were taken, and if the appropriate calibration of Brightness and Contrast were done for each. It the proper calibration was done for each setting, there should be literally no difference, except for Dynamic.
The question he asked is whether he could stick to the original settings of the BD, and this can be done by checking the `Input Info' for each setting. He didn't want 1080P being Input as 4K, but the original 2K. The charts presented were to show which was best, not which will give him the 1080P that the TV now up-converts.
There's no point in me asking a third time, is there? You'll never answer the question or say "I don't know", but you'll restate the claim nonetheless
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I don't calibrate using a DVD for patterns. So, can't compare on my own. So, I can't do that test.

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, I posed a question as to HOW the readings were taken, and if the appropriate calibration of Brightness and Contrast were done for each. It the proper calibration was done for each setting, there should be literally no difference, except for Dynamic.
The question he asked is whether he could stick to the original settings of the BD, and this can be done by checking the `Input Info' for each setting. He didn't want 1080P being Input as 4K, but the original 2K. The charts presented were to show which was best, not which will give him the 1080P that the TV now up-converts.
If you noticed it was @galonzo who did the readings and produced the charts so no need to get huffy by asking me questions as to "HOW the readings were taken" using capital letters.

I don't want to put words in @galonzo 's mouth but I believe the point of his readings were to provide members who can't calibrate their TV every other week with some baseline information as to what each of the K8500's Picture Mode presets are doing to the picture out of the box. The method he used were articulated in the link I provided in my earlier post.

Nor do I want to put words in @mrtickleuk mouth, but from my read of the recent posts on this thread (and the only reason I got involved) was because the subject stemmed from a discussion some guys were having asking if was possible to obtain native resolution from the player without them having to go in and change the Resolution setting each time... which it is using the little trick I discovered back in April 2016 for owners of pre-2016 Samsung TVs.

I only included @galonzo 's charts to assure guys that turning on BD Wise in the player and leaving it off in the TV settings would have no adverse affects and to clear up any confusion left by your ambiguous "BD Wise drastically changes the PQ" post.

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Nor do I want to put words in @mrtickleuk mouth, but from my read of the recent posts on this thread (and the only reason I got involved) was because the subject stemmed from a discussion some guys were having asking if was possible to obtain native resolution from the player without them having to go in and change the Resolution setting each time... which it is using the little trick I discovered back in April 2016 for owners of pre-2016 Samsung TVs.

I only included @galonzo 's charts to assure guys that turning on BD Wise in the player and leaving it off in the TV settings would have no adverse affects and to clear up any confusion left by your ambiguous "BD Wise drastically changes the PQ" post.

Cheers!
Thankyou for that post. He's never going to answer the question, so I'm going to summarise as I now understand the situation.
  • NB. In all cases turn BD Wise OFF at the TV end. None of this is about the TV's BD Wise, and it never was.
  • Using BD Wise on the player only does not "drastically change the picture", in fact the opposite is true. It's the best possible output with this player.
  • Posts which obfuscate the above two points are extremely unhelpful.

Best: If you have a 2015 Samsung model or earlier, then turn BD Wise on at the player end, and use it.
a) this will send non-scaled output to the TV, ie Blu-Rays will be sent as 1080, etc.
b) this had the most accurate output, measured by @galonzo .

2nd most accurate output. Use "Standard" output of the player.

3rd most accurate output. Use "User" mode with all settings at zero, on the player.

Movie and Dynamic were both worse than the three above.

The end.
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You assumed correctly.
As I thought and thanks for the answer

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Thankyou for that post. He's never going to answer the question, so I'm going to summarise as I now understand the situation.
  • NB. In all cases turn BD Wise OFF at the TV end. None of this is about the TV's BD Wise, and it never was.
  • Using BD Wise on the player only does not "drastically change the picture", in fact the opposite is true. It's the best possible output with this player.
  • Posts which obfuscate the above two points are extremely unhelpful.

Best: If you have a 2015 Samsung model or earlier, then turn BD Wise on at the player end, and use it.
a) this will send non-scaled output to the TV, ie Blu-Rays will be sent as 1080, etc.
b) this had the most accurate output, measured by @galonzo .

2nd most accurate output. Use "Standard" output of the player.

3rd most accurate output. Use "User" mode with all settings at zero, on the player.

Movie and Dynamic were both worse than the three above.

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What if I don't have BDWise on my TV? Is the standard mode still the most accurate output of the player? Thanks!
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^^^^^Yes @akmandal , Standard would equate to minimal adjustment (if any at all) of this player's output.
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^^^^^Yes @akmandal , Standard would equate to minimal adjustment (if any at all) of this player's output.
Thank you! I will use that from now. Cheers.
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^^^^^Yes @akmandal , Standard would equate to minimal adjustment (if any at all) of this player's output.
And thankyou for the testing which you did and sharing your results.

Ironically, I think that Standard is the default out of the box! When I first got mine I changed to "Movie" thinking it would be better, and then I changed to "User with all zeros" after reading posts telling me that was better too.
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And thankyou for the testing which you did and sharing your results.

Ironically, I think that Standard is the default out of the box! When I first got mine I changed to "Movie" thinking it would be better, and then I changed to "User with all zeros" after reading posts telling me that was better too.


Thanks for the testing the effect of the different pictures settings. I initially started using the STANDARD Setting when I received my K8500 last March. But through testing many different scenes over a period of time I concluded that the user setting yielded a slightly sharper picture not incorporating noise reduction. Mind you it was a very small difference but after testing many different scenes observing the picture close up and at 3 feet I concluded that the USER Setting was better for me. I wanted to stay away from the very slight noise reduction in the Standard Setting so I now use the USER Setting with all the parameters at zero.

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..........Yes, as @p5browne , @DaMacFunkin , and myself (and most of the guys on the various Samsung TV threads for that matter) wholeheartedly agree, leave BD Wise turned OFF in the TV settings and use Movie mode which all the experts agree, is the closest thing to a calibrated set if you aren't going to pay someone to do it.

As for your question about having the player only select the resolution automatically and not alter the picture settings, definitely make sure that BD Wise is turned OFF in the TV settings and then in the K8500's settings turn it ON which overrides the other Picture Mode options.

As @galonzo 's tests have proven on the K8500 the BD Wise option provides the best setting, edging out Standard and then User according to his meter readings as shown in the player ..............................
Late last night I spent a couple of hours going back through this thread to educate myself on picture/resolution settings for both Bluray/TV and how they might interact. A lot of good info to take in and some seeming to be contradicting. I was having a hard time with BD Wise and picture mode settings as the two are separate. One setting being in the player "tools" section menu. The other only available while a disc is playing.

Don't know if it was late night or me just thick headed but I finally stumbled upon this post and didn't skim over the most important nugget (to me) in the last 50 pages.

"Make sure that BD Wise is turned off in the TV settings and then in the K8500's settings turn it ON.......

......... which overrides the other Picture Mode options."

It might be common knowledge and covered to boredom but it was the only time I have seen that relationship in print. Many thanks to @Musician , @p5browne , @DaMacFunkin ', @golo nzo and others for continuing my video education.
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Late last night I spent a couple of hours going back through this thread to educate myself on picture/resolution settings for both Bluray/TV and how they might interact. A lot of good info to take in and some seeming to be contradicting. I was having a hard time with BD Wise and picture mode settings as the two are separate. One setting being in the player "tools" section menu. The other only available while a disc is playing.

Don't know if it was late night or me just thick headed but I finally stumbled upon this post and didn't skim over the most important nugget (to me) in the last 50 pages.

"Make sure that BD Wise is turned off in the TV settings and then in the K8500's settings turn it ON.......

......... which overrides the other Picture Mode options."

It might be common knowledge and covered to boredom but it was the only time I have seen that relationship in print. Many thanks to @Musician , @p5browne , @DaMacFunkin ', @golonzo and others for continuing my video education.
Thank you for your feedback.

As a result I have emphasized those points in my BD Wise Guy post by tweaking it a bit so it is more apparent that we are discussing BD Wise in the player settings only by adding the following Final Recommendations section and a Summary where I have incorporated @mrtickleuk words into my post as shown below because I couldn`t have said it better myself (and this leaves the door open so I can blame him if anyone is confused in the future).


Also, with the express consent of @galonzo and major league baseball, I have included his meter readings of the various picture modes on the player.

The full BD Wise post can be viewed in it`s entirety by clicking the following link...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post43484850


Final Recommendations

As almost everyone I know will agree leave BD Wise turned OFF in the TV settings and use Movie mode which is the closest thing to a calibrated set if you aren't going to pay someone to do it.

In order for the K8500 to select the resolution automatically and not alter the picture settings, I will say it again -- definitely make sure that BD Wise is turned OFF in the TV settings and then in the K8500's settings turn it ON which overrides the other Picture Mode options.

Summary

To quote @mrtickleuk because I couldn't have said it better myself...

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I'm going to summarize as I now understand the situation.

  • In all cases turn BD Wise OFF at the TV end. None of this is about the TV's BD Wise, and it never was.
  • Using BD Wise on the player only does not "drastically change the picture", in fact the opposite is true. It's the best possible output with this player.
  • Posts which obfuscate the above two points are extremely unhelpful.

Best: If you have a 2015 Samsung model or earlier, then turn BD Wise on at the player end, and use it.
a) this will send non-scaled output to the TV, ie Blu-Rays will be sent as 1080, etc.
b) this had the most accurate output, measured by @galonzo .

2nd most accurate output. Use "Standard" output of the player.

3rd most accurate output. Use "User" mode with all settings at zero, on the player.

Movie and Dynamic were both worse than the three above.
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So, on my 9800, the player won't allow this selection and is greyed out. Could this be a setting in the tv blocking it?

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So, on my 9800, the player won't allow this selection and is greyed out. Could this be a setting in the tv blocking it?
And what exactly is a 9800 and what is grayed put?

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Sorry Samsung 9800 TV. Using Cal-Night picture setting. Greyed out is BD Wise.

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Sorry Samsung 9800 TV. Using Cal-Night picture setting. Greyed out is BD Wise.
Please provide complete information so that other owners can assist you. The model of the TV and what picture settings you're using are not nearly enough. They will need to know what equipment is involved, how they are connected, and what exactly it is that you're trying to achieve.
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Sorry Samsung 9800 TV. Using Cal-Night picture setting. Greyed out is BD Wise.
Checking through some of your other posts I see you mean the Samsung KS9800 which is a 2016 model.

The BD Wise Guy post includes the following notation...

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For those with a Samsung TV produced prior to the 2016 models, proceed to the next section which will explain how to have the K8500 switch Resolutions automatically!
...as well as this important fact in the next section...

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If the K8500 is connected to a TV that does not support BD Wise, you cannot use the BD Wise function and as a result the BD Wise option in the player settings will be greyed out. If you do own an applicable Samsung TV produced before 2016 and the BD Wise option is greyed out you will need to hook it up using Method 2 as per the attached example of my Wiring Diagram.
Unfortunately Samsung TV's produced after 2015 (such as the KS models) do not support the BD Wise option therefore you will need to trade with me.
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Thanks Musician for clearing that up.
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Hi all...still no sound when using the hdmi 2 output to Onkyo 3030 avr with the player connected to a new Samsung K8000. It works with an optical digital cable, but not with HDMI. Any help appreciated. Settings in the tv, Onkyo, player? Thanks.
On the BD player, you have to set the HDMI Audio Output option to HDMI2.

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On the BD player, you have to set the HDMI Audio Output option to HDMI2.

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yes, thanks...it's working now because of an odd fix that had nothing to do with settings, which I went through over and over again to try to figure out why there was no sound. I sent audio to the Onkyo through HDMI 2 without connecting HDMI 1 to the tv...I then connected HDMI 1 to the tv while audio was playing through the Onkyo and got video. My wife thinks I'm a "genius", but it was simply another random attempt to make it work. Why this worked is still a mystery, but I'm not complaining, lol...Prior to that when I connected HDMI 1 and 2 simultaneously, there was no sound with the avr set to BD....very pleased that it's working now, and it's great.
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This player is great. I had it hooked up to my JS8500. I now have a LG OLED65B6P. Should I leave the settings the same or is there anything different I should change? Thanks Adam.
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This player is great. I had it hooked up to my JS8500. I now have a LG OLED65B6P. Should I leave the settings the same or is there anything different I should change? Thanks Adam.
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I meant with the player. I know w the JS it was said to have deep color off and to use 4:4:4 not sure if it's the same w the oled.
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I meant with the player. I know w the JS it was said to have deep color off and to use 4:4:4 not sure if it's the same w the oled.
Those settings on the BDP-K8500 should be fine with your new display. And if you haven't already, you may want to subscribe to the "Official B/C/E/G6P OLED Calibration Thread".

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Hey guys! I posted something about this on the B6 OLED thread but fell flat (Rightfully so since it probably wasn't the place to be talking about it..) and sifting through the many pages in here, it sorta fell flat also.

But I've been experiencing the dimly lit scene/red color ghosting issue that a couple of others have been experiencing; very noticeable on scenes such as where Han confronts Kylo at the end of The Force Awakens; where it's really dark, but red illuminates on both of their faces. It looks blurry, ghosting almost. I'm set at USER mode on my K8500 with all settings to zero; still happening.

Just wondering if anyone found a fix for this or is it something that Samsung legitimately has to issue a firmware update for? Many thanks!

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Does anyone have any recommendation for a new remote control for this unit? I'm finding it very difficult to use due to the button sizes and placement. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hey guys! I posted something about this on the B6 OLED thread but fell flat (Rightfully so since it probably wasn't the place to be talking about it..) and sifting through the many pages in here, it sorta fell flat also.

But I've been experiencing the dimly lit scene/red color ghosting issue that a couple of others have been experiencing; very noticeable on scenes such as where Han confronts Kylo at the end of The Force Awakens; where it's really dark, but red illuminates on both of their faces. It looks blurry, ghosting almost. I'm set at USER mode on my K8500 with all settings to zero; still happening.

Just wondering if anyone found a fix for this or is it something that Samsung legitimately has to issue a firmware update for? Many thanks!
I think it is a bit of both. Some scenes are lit red so red illumination is going to happen and then there was one particular brief scene where guys were referring to the phenomenon as "smearing". If it was prevalent on every disc then this would have caused an outcry but other than those initial posts dating back to the April 2016 time frame when the disc was first released this is the first post in a long time discussing anything similar.

It appears this issue was isolated and if it was something that Samsung could (or would) fix via firmware it probably would have happened by now.

If you jump to the following posts you will see it was a pretty active topic at the time with the word "smearing" appearing over 30 times on that page alone...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post43017762

...and if you use the Search this Thread feature you will find over 140 posts discussing "smearing". I believe the topic also came up in the UHD Content thread.

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Does anyone have any recommendation for a new remote control for this unit? I'm finding it very difficult to use due to the button sizes and placement. Any help would be appreciated.
just search this thread for 'remote' - lots of responses - here's one:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post50083273
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just search this thread for 'remote' - lots of responses - here's one:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post50083273
Crap, you beat me to it.

I was trying to hunt down this post of mine for @Ambush083 which also includes a picture...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post49536537

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