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Yes, it would exceed it. Its moot point as UHD is 24hz. I don't know what the bandwidth would be.
That is what I thought until I realized that the Samsung K8500 plays all 4K/UHD youtube content regardless of frame rate at 4K/UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4. That puts a monkey wrench in everything.
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7. The dual outputs works great. However, I had to abandon them because I need HDMI 5 for my PS4 and computer. However, youtube through the K8500 only seems to play at 60 FPS for UHD/4K even if the video is 30 fps or 24 FPS. Therefore, I have to use HDMI 5 for the K8500 as well. That means that I have to chose a single default profile in the TV for all 3 sources. That default profile will have to be the one for the K8500 and then I will have to manually switch to the other profiles for the PS4 and the computer. It is a pain but it is worth it.

8. Netflix passes Dolby Digital + to my receiver and it shows a little plus"+" sign next to Dolby Digital on the front of my receiver. It freaked me out at first since I had never seen that before.
When I play Youtube UHD/4k movie trailers, my JVC RS500 projector reports 24 fps. When I play Youtube LG Demo UHD/60fps music video clips, the projector reports 60fps.

Yes I was also pleasantly surprised to see the "+" indicator on my AVR using the second audio-only HDMI output. With the Roku 4 I never saw anything but Multi-Channel Input reported. That extra audio-only HDMI output is something Roku and others should have included.
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I will clarify what I meant. There is no native 4:2:0 output in the KS8500, it will convert to 4:4:4. HDMI 2.0a can not transmits 2160P at 60hz, 10-bit 4:4:4. However it can output 2160P at 24hz, 10-bit 4:4:4. A lot of people keep bring up that there NVidia card can do this or that, we need to focus on the K8500s abilities. So far there are no issues here.
My point, which I thought should be obvious, is that there is no reason for the Samsung player to upscale the chroma resolution, that step should be done inside the TV, thereby eliminating any issues with bandwidth limitations of the HDMI cable.

As much as this player sounds great, it is pretty obnoxious for them to assume that people don't want their UHD Bluray video data to be outputted directly in its native format and without processing. Can the output format be overridden / selected manually?

There is literally no benefit to upscaling UHD Blurays to 444 inside the player. And if you want 10-bit HDR at UHD/60, the K8500 should default to 422 instead (say, from a Netflix or whatever HDR source), or really, whatever the source video is stored in, which is probably 420 let's all be real here.

Pretty much all "RGB" or 444 video at UHD resolution only has 420 chroma in it, originally anyway. I guess streaming sends it over the wire in highly compressed RGB of some sort, but if it's in 10-bit then you're going to have to lose 444 and drop to 422 at least, no matter what.
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I'm having the same power up problem. Only a Blinking Red light. Tray will open and close but I cant get it to power on?
Were you ever able to solve this?
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They are only certified as HDMI 1.4b. However, they have all of the requirements of HDMI 2.0. If they re-certified them right now they would receive HDMI 2.0 certification.
My point remains valid. There is nothing special about 420 in a world where HDMI signals have been capable of transmitting YCbCr 422 for at least a decade. Adding 420 is a software upgrade only.

There is no technical reason AFAIK that it wouldn't be possible for the HDMI consortium to issue a "420 Re-Certification" process to older chips, even HDMI 1.3 or 1.2 or whatever, to add official 420 chroma support and thereby increase quality.

Blurays are 420 natively and upgrading the chroma to 422 in the player then to 444 in the display and finally to RGB at the pixel level doesn't make sense from an image quality perspective. The upscaling / processing should be done once, at the highest possible quality level, which is most likely inside the TV.

420 chroma wasn't supported by chips in the HDMI 1.4b era, natively, but it's just a software or firmware upgrade, as proven by NVidia. There is no reason why HDMI 1.4a or even 1.3 or 1.2 couldn't get a similar treatment to increase the list of supported formats vs refresh rates vs bitrates. If you have actual evidence to the contrary, please, do share, until then I think you're making an assumption which is not grounded in evidence. YCbCr and chroma subsampling formats have been well-understood since Blurays came out.

All Bluray players can definitely handle 420, and all HDMI chips can natively handle and display 422, otherwise they wouldn't be able to playback Blurays at all, right? Since NVidia proved you can add 420 to a chip that only officially supports 422, the logical conclusion from that is that you could do the same for 1.4a, 1.3, etc etc.

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That is what I thought until I realized that the Samsung K8500 plays all 4K/UHD youtube content regardless of frame rate at 4K/UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4. That puts a monkey wrench in everything.
That is disappointing. I'm sure they will patch the firmware to be able to avoid that, eventually.

Is there really no way to manually override the output settings of the player? Like leave it at 24hz or whatever. Doing 2:3 pulldown in an era with 72hz or 120hz (internal refresh rate) panels is silly.
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Were you ever able to solve this?
I don't know if this is tonytag's problem but the unresponsive with blinking red light behavior he describes is exactly how the player behaves if you accidentally plug your reciever into the HDMI 2 (audio) output instead of the HDMI 1 output. Not that I would ever do anything that dumb. Not me. Definitely not me.
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Are you stating this because UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit would exceed the 18 GB/sec maximum throughput of HDMI 2.0? What would the bandwidth be for UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit?
3840x1920 = 8,294,400 pixels per frame
8,294,400 pixels per frame x 30 bits per pixel = 248,832,000 bits per frame (Note: it's 30 bits per pixel because we are using 10 bits per primary and there are 3 primaries)
YUV 4:4:4 is uncompressed chroma, so no reduction in bits per frame
248,832,000 bits per frame x 60 frames per second = 14,929,920,000 bits per second = 14.9 Gbps (SI-units) or 13.9 Gibps (1024-based)

Bear in mind that while 14.9 Gbps is well below the 18 Gbps cap for HDMI 2.0 Level A, we have only calculated video bandwidth. We have not accounted for audio, HDCP 2.2 overhead, etc. Since I do not know how much bandwidth these things require, I can't mathematically show that this exceeds 18 Gbps. All I can point to is the chart in the HDMI 2.0 FAQ on HDMI.org, which shows support for 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 all the way up to 16-bit, but only shows support for 2160p60 RGB/YUV 4:4:4 at 8-bit. Note that it supports 2160p24 RGB/YUV 4:4:4 even at 16-bit.

If we could get these 4K source devices to output 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 content without increasing the frame rate to 60 fps that would solve a lot of problems. Likewise, if we could get them to output 10-bit 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 without decompressing the chroma resolution then that would solve other issues. I suspect the problem is that they need to be able to insert GUI overlays and perform other processing that is best done with uncompressed chroma and they don't want people complaining about a GUI that operates at less than 60 fps. So, something has to give.
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I don't know if this is tonytag's problem but the unresponsive with blinking red light behavior he describes is exactly how the player behaves if you accidentally plug your reciever into the HDMI 2 (audio) output instead of the HDMI 1 output. Not that I would ever do anything that dumb. Not me. Definitely not me.
That was actually the first thing I checked.
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For the blinking red light, try to force a hard reset of the player to factory settings. Push and hold the stop button on the player (not the remote) for more than 5 seconds. The reset takes quite some time to complete so be patient. Not sure if the reset will work in this case but give it a try.
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For the blinking red light, try to force a hard reset of the player to factory settings. Push and hold the stop button on the player (not the remote) for more than 5 seconds. The reset takes quite some time to complete so be patient. Not sure if the reset will work in this case but give it a try.
Thanks, I'll try that when I get home.
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3840x1920 = 8,294,400 pixels per frame
8,294,400 pixels per frame x 30 bits per pixel = 248,832,000 bits per frame (Note: it's 30 bits per pixel because we are using 10 bits per primary and there are 3 primaries)
YUV 4:4:4 is uncompressed chroma, so no reduction in bits per frame
248,832,000 bits per frame x 60 frames per second = 14,929,920,000 bits per second = 14.9 Gbps (SI-units) or 13.9 Gibps (1024-based)

Bear in mind that while 14.9 Gbps is well below the 18 Gbps cap for HDMI 2.0 Level A, we have only calculated video bandwidth. We have not accounted for audio, HDCP 2.2 overhead, etc. Since I do not know how much bandwidth these things require, I can't mathematically show that this exceeds 18 Gbps. All I can point to is the chart in the HDMI 2.0 FAQ on HDMI.org, which shows support for 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 all the way up to 16-bit, but only shows support for 2160p60 RGB/YUV 4:4:4 at 8-bit. Note that it supports 2160p24 RGB/YUV 4:4:4 even at 16-bit.

If we could get these 4K source devices to output 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 content without increasing the frame rate to 60 fps that would solve a lot of problems. Likewise, if we could get them to output 10-bit 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 without decompressing the chroma resolution then that would solve other issues. I suspect the problem is that they need to be able to insert GUI overlays and perform other processing that is best done with uncompressed chroma and they don't want people complaining about a GUI that operates at less than 60 fps. So, something has to give.
The K8500 has a 24p option that I believe can be set to auto or off. If you select auto id imagine it takes 24p material and outputs it at 24p. If you select off it might attempt to convert it to 60p which could cause judder. Leaving the options for 24p in auto will let the TV do the 3:2 pull-down. As far as I see there is no option for the player to display less then YUV 4:4:4 , RGB standard (which id imagine is 16-235 444) and RGB enhanced (which id also imagine is 0-256 444). The KS8500 looks like it will handle all the decompression. Samsung is probably betting that its player can do as good a job or better then any TV with video decompression.
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What sound setting is everyone using? Bitstream uncompressed, Dolby, or DTS?
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My TV (and LG OLED) has a little pop up that tells me when it's actually receiving HDR. Not sure whether this player (or other TVs) would do the same.

Separately: I popped one of the super deluxe blurays of Avatar in last night and the very first screen that popped up - before any disc menus or anything - was a sort of error message saying to the effect that 'this feature requires local storage' and the choice to 'try again' or 'skip'. Those weren't the exact words but that was the gist of it. Was this something that the disc was trying to do...store something locally? I guess that's some kind of BD thing that I never noticed before? It doesn't do this on a PS4, XBOX One, or a region free Sony BD player.

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Probably for BD-Live. They typically don't put storage on the BD players for this any more. the last few years I've been buying Sony BD players I've had to buy a small USB flash drive. i still need to order one for the K8500. I've been using the SanDisk Cruzer Fit or Ultra Fit flash drives since they barely stick out from the USB ports.

EDIT: I just ordered the SanDisk Ultra Fit 128GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive.

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Since it was only $30 I figured I would just get the largest size. And since there is only one USB port I can use it to shuttle files back and forth between a PC and the K8500. Plus still use it for BD-Live content.

EDIT: I switched to the Samsung 128GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive Fit. Similar in shape to the SanDisk but "Water proof, Shock proof, magnet proof, temp proof, and X-ray proof". And Newegg had them on sale. So it ends up costing me under $30 from Newegg since I don't need to pay taxes there.

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What sound setting is everyone using? Bitstream uncompressed, Dolby, or DTS?
Bitstream (unprocessed). This is with the HDMI audio-only output connected to AVR.

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Bitstream Uncompressed. This is with the HDMI audio-only output connected to AVR.

What if you have audio and video going to the receiver?
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Well I am the proud owner of one also since last night, hopefully my disc show up today and I can also see how I like this bad boy.

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Ok, I've asked a little bit about this before, but as I read I'm getting more info.

I assume the only way to get "deep color" is to run the player at "YCbCr" as there is no deep color option for RGB. Is this correct?

I'm also trying to figure out if my HDMI 1.4 inputs can handle what I'm trying to do. I'd like to run [email protected] with 10 bit color, but it seems that the automatic 4:4:4 upscale would destroy that opportunity. Except that I have an Integral 2.0 to 1.4 converter, which can convert 4k 4:4:4 down to 4:2:0. So theoretically I could run [email protected], 10 bit with 4:2:0, right? Or am I pipe dreaming?
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What if you have audio and video going to the receiver?
If I had a HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 compliant AVR and was able to send both audio/video to the AVR, I would still set sound to Bitstream (unprocessed). It is the only way the AVR will be able to process the more advanced surround sound formats.
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Just so nobody gets confused, this appears to be a typo. The actual setting should be "Bitstream (unprocessed)" and not "Bitstream Uncompressed", which would be an oxymoron.

If you want your AVR/pre-pro/soundbar to be the device that does the decoding, you should select "Bitstream (unprocessed)". This is the only option that will correctly passthru Atmos/DTS-X metadata. So, if you have an Atmos/DTS-X receiver, this is the option you want.

If you want your player to decode the audio and output uncompressed PCM, you should select "PCM". This option is useful if your have an older receiver that cannot decode Dolby Digital Plus/TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio. You can also use this option if you don't have an Atmos/DTS-X receiver and want system sounds to be mixed into the audio stream, which is not possible with the "Bitstream (unprocessed)" option.

The other two options: "Bitstream (Dolby)" and "Bitstream (DTS)" are kind of a hybrid. They both decode the audio in the player, mix in system sounds and then re-encode it in either Dolby or DTS before output. I can't think of any reason why you would want to use either option if you are connecting to your receiver with an HDMI cable. I suspect this is to enable you to get 5.1 audio with system audio mixed in to a device connected via. optical.
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Time to play....All crappy movies except for Kingsmen but I've seen Martian numerous times and no reason to watch again with Atmos...Wild is good but I've seen it twice and that's more than enough. So I'll torture myself with these, but at least something to watch and test.

I'll have to bypass video around my prepro (2.0a upgrade not until March 3rd). I'll run video straight to 4k eshift HDR JVC RS400. Secondary HDMI to AVR.

Once everything works, I'll yank the BD and hook it up to my 1080p TV and see what the down-res situation looks like...

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Just so nobody gets confused, this appears to be a typo. The actual setting should be "Bitstream (unprocessed)" and not "Bitstream Uncompressed", which would be an oxymoron.

If you want your AVR/pre-pro/soundbar to be the device that does the decoding, you should select "Bitstream (unprocessed)". This is the only option that will correctly passthru Atmos/DTS-X metadata. So, if you have an Atmos/DTS-X receiver, this is the option you want.

If you want your player to decode the audio and output uncompressed PCM, you should select "PCM". This option is useful if your have an older receiver that cannot decode Dolby Digital Plus/TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio. You can also use this option if you don't have an Atmos/DTS receiver and want system sounds to be mixed into the audio stream, which is not possible with the "Bitstream (unprocessed)" option.

The other two options: "Bitstream (Dolby)" and "Bitstream (DTS)" are kind of a hybrid. They both decode the audio in the player, mix in system sounds and then re-encode it in either Dolby or DTS before output. I have no clue why you would want to do that.
if you don't have a newer receiver or speaker bar, re-encoding to DD or DTS would allow you to use the ARC or optical output. No different than ten years ago when BD/HD DVD players also re-encoded to legacy DD/DTS.

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Time to play....All crappy movies except for Kingsmen but I've seen Martian numerous times and no reason to watch again with Atmos...Wild is good but I've seen it twice and that's more than enough. So I'll torture myself with these, but at least something to watch and test.

I'll have to bypass video around my prepro (2.0a upgrade not until March 3rd). I'll run video straight to 4k eshift HDR JVC RS400. Secondary HDMI to AVR.

Once everything works, I'll yank the BD and hook it up to my 1080p TV and see what the down-res situation looks like...

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I am very interested to see if it works when playing uhd blu Ray to 1080p tv ? I 'd like to know if we can still have 1080p image without this HDCP compliant . Thanks . Look forward to hearing your comments soon.
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Just so nobody gets confused, this appears to be a typo. The actual setting should be "Bitstream (unprocessed)" and not "Bitstream Uncompressed", which would be an oxymoron.

If you want your AVR/pre-pro/soundbar to be the device that does the decoding, you should select "Bitstream (unprocessed)". This is the only option that will correctly passthru Atmos/DTS-X metadata. So, if you have an Atmos/DTS-X receiver, this is the option you want.

If you want your player to decode the audio and output uncompressed PCM, you should select "PCM". This option is useful if your have an older receiver that cannot decode Dolby Digital Plus/TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio. You can also use this option if you don't have an Atmos/DTS receiver and want system sounds to be mixed into the audio stream, which is not possible with the "Bitstream (unprocessed)" option.

The other two options: "Bitstream (Dolby)" and "Bitstream (DTS)" are kind of a hybrid. They both decode the audio in the player, mix in system sounds and then re-encode it in either Dolby or DTS before output. I can't think of any reason why you would want to use either option if you are connecting to your receiver with an HDMI cable. I suspect this is to enable you to get 5.1 audio with system audio mixed in to a device connected via. optical.

Yea sorry for the misspelling.
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Which would be a better connection between an older 5.1 Samsung Home Theater and the K8500 (just note that I want the 5.1 HT to work with cable too):

Cable box --> OCM HDMI 1
OCM digital audio out --> 5.1 HT digital audio in
5.1 HT HDMI out --> OCM HDMI 4 (arc)
K8500 HDMI 1 out --> 5.1 HT HDMI in

Or

Cable box --> OCM HDMI 1
OCM digital audio out --> 5.1 HT digital audio in
K8500 HDMI 1 out --> OCM HDMI 4 (arc)
K8500 HDMI 2 (audio) out --> 5.1 HT HDMI in

my JS8500 movie calibration settings as of 8/8/15 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post34495410
my JS8500 standard calibration settings as of 6/18/15 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post35124130
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if you don't have a newer receiver or speaker bar, re-encoding to DD or DTS would allow you to use the ARC or optical output. No different than ten years ago when BD/HD DVD players also re-encoded to legacy DD/DTS.
Yeah, I realized that it would be useful for optical output as soon as I hit "submit reply", so I went back and edited my post to reflect that. Unfortunately, you were too fast. 😜
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Time to play....All crappy movies except for Kingsmen but I've seen Martian numerous times and no reason to watch again with Atmos...Wild is good but I've seen it twice and that's more than enough. So I'll torture myself with these, but at least something to watch and test.

I'll have to bypass video around my prepro (2.0a upgrade not until March 3rd). I'll run video straight to 4k eshift HDR JVC RS400. Secondary HDMI to AVR.

Once everything works, I'll yank the BD and hook it up to my 1080p TV and see what the down-res situation looks like...
Why would you comenin here just to tease us like that?!?
You are cruel.
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Since it was only $30 I figured I would just get the largest size. And since there is only one USB port I can use it to shuttle files back and forth between a PC and the K8500. Plus still use it for BD-Live content.
I plan on using that same USB port/drive to try playing a "ripped" DVD (instead of burning to disc). The manual says it will read .VOB files, so I will report back in a day or so.
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Time to play....All crappy movies except for Kingsmen but I've seen Martian numerous times and no reason to watch again with Atmos...Wild is good but I've seen it twice and that's more than enough. So I'll torture myself with these, but at least something to watch and test.

I'll have to bypass video around my prepro (2.0a upgrade not until March 3rd). I'll run video straight to 4k eshift HDR JVC RS400. Secondary HDMI to AVR.

Once everything works, I'll yank the BD and hook it up to my 1080p TV and see what the down-res situation looks like...
Can you also try 1080p output of UHD streaming? For example, can you play a UHD Netflix or Amazon stream to the box and then have player output downrezed to a 1080p TV?

Similar to hoping playing UHD discs on a 1080p set will result in better quality until one updates to a UHD TV, getting UHD streaming to do the same would be another nice transitional bonus.

I have my player in the box at home, but won't get to experiment until this weekend.
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What sound setting is everyone using? Bitstream uncompressed, Dolby, or DTS?
I use Bitstream (Uncompressed) 1st option. I'm using Atmos & DTS-X (Denon AVR-X7200WA) and have had no problems playing back anything!
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