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UBD-K8500 OWNERS UNABLE TO ACCESS AMAZON PRIME VIDEO:

Tim Leslie is the VP for Amazon Video International. I'd suggest you start by contact him. His LinkedIn profile is below:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-leslie-3927098a
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let me try this again without upsetting anyone..

Saw this for sale. I have a gift card to burn there and was looking for a standalone to replace my xbox one s that has terrible handshake issues with my set. Quick question though: I see the M8500 is only a bit more and comes with some bonuses that close the price gap to within less than a 50 dollar difference between the two. Normally I would jump at this opportunity but it almost seems like a more entry level than its predecessor here. No 3d support? I still buy 3d movies when they come out. Only one HDMI? Can someone justify the "upgrade"? Has 3d or DV support been promised? I realize this isnt the thread for that unit but I assume I am not the first to question upgrading to it. I guess I am just looking to see what the M8500 actually does or have better than this.
the k8500 unit supports 3D, i've had this player since last year, and have watched plenty of 3D BD titles
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UBD-K8500 OWNERS UNABLE TO ACCESS AMAZON PRIME VIDEO:

Time Leslie is the VP for Amazon Video International. I'd suggest you start by contact him. His LinkedIn profile is below:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-leslie-3927098a
Good find.

What is Tim Leslie's email address?
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the k8500 unit supports 3D, i've had this player since last year, and have watched plenty of 3D BD titles
I know it does, as I know it as 2 HDMI...the M8500 lacks both of these which is why I cannot comprehend what about it is better than the K8500 aside from being newer. I think you misread my original post. I had to edit it so maybe I screwed something up when I did so.
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let me try this again without upsetting anyone..

Saw this for sale. I have a gift card to burn there and was looking for a standalone to replace my xbox one s that has terrible handshake issues with my set. Quick question though: I see the M8500 is only a bit more and comes with some bonuses that close the price gap to within less than a 50 dollar difference between the two. Normally I would jump at this opportunity but it almost seems like a more entry level than its predecessor here. No 3d support? I still buy 3d movies when they come out. Only one HDMI? Can someone justify the "upgrade"? Has 3d or DV support been promised? I realize this isnt the thread for that unit but I assume I am not the first to question upgrading to it. I guess I am just looking to see what the M8500 actually does or have better than this.
The M8500 is newer but not necessarily better. Neither will have DV support and the K8500 will be the one to buy if you want 3D.

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Hey guys. I just got an LG OLED65E6P TV. The discussion for that tv always seems to be around the Sony X-800, the LG UDP-970, and the OPPO-203. Why is this unit not mentioned? This supports HDR+4K+3D blu-ray, right? Am I missing anything by getting this one?

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Hey guys. I just got an LG OLED65E6P TV. The discussion for that tv always seems to be around the Sony X-800, the LG UDP-970, and the OPPO-203. Why is this unit not mentioned? This supports HDR+4K+3D blu-ray, right? Am I missing anything by getting this one?
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Okay, cool, thanks. I can live with that to save $100. The UP-970 doesn't even have the DV update yet, so it sounds like I'd be literally losing nothing until that happens.
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Okay, cool, thanks. I can live with that to save $100. The UP-970 doesn't even have the DV update yet, so it sounds like I'd be literally losing nothing until that happens.
Yep that's the only difference in the offered technology. I'm extremely pleased with my Sammy pared to my Sony XBR75-X940D. Just got the 4K HDR BR of KONG-Skull Island a couple days back, the HDR picture and 5.2 surround sound is the best I've experienced yet, awesome viewing experience.
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Have to second what he said ^ I just replaced my Xbox One S with this unit and it is leaps and bounds more user friendly and better performing. So far every disc that cause issues with my One S have been fine here. They load noticeably quicker, they resume where I left off, and its a ton easier to access the disc menu. I do not come from an Xbox background so maybe I am just not familiar with their shortcuts but this thing smokes it in every way so far. The ONLY thing I noticed that was weird was when watching Lucy, I paused it for a few minutes and it went to a Universal Pictures or something screen that had a rotating logo and I couldnt find a way to back to the movie aside from hitting stop and then play again.
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The ONLY thing I noticed that was weird was when watching Lucy, I paused it for a few minutes and it went to a Universal Pictures or something screen that had a rotating logo and I couldnt find a way to back to the movie aside from hitting stop and then play again.
The 'OK' button works for that.
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I've found with some movies, putting on pause, causes lip sync issues when re-starting. So now I stop, and hope there's a resume for that movie when I re-start. No more lip sync issues.

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I've found with some movies, putting on pause, causes lip sync issues when re-starting. So now I stop, and hope there's a resume for that movie when I re-start. No more lip sync issues.
When that happens I just hit play/pause a few times. It usually syncs up.
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Saw this for sale. I have a gift card to burn there and was looking for a standalone to replace my xbox one s that has terrible handshake issues with my set. Quick question though: I see the M8500 is only a bit more and comes with some bonuses that close the price gap to within less than a 50 dollar difference between the two. Normally I would jump at this opportunity but it almost seems like a more entry level than its predecessor here. No 3d support? I still buy 3d movies when they come out. Only one HDMI? Can someone justify the "upgrade"? Has 3d or DV support been promised? I realize this isnt the thread for that unit but I assume I am not the first to question upgrading to it. I guess I am just looking to see what the M8500 actually does or have better than this.
Personally don't think you can beat this player if you need is a 4K UHD transport with apps
I personally could care less about the upscaling and don't for a minute understand how anyone is paying those prices for the Oppo
I don't mind spending money but that seems like a waste.

I think these players have gotten to be "throw away type" of items and frankly if it works and if quiet I am in

I bought a refurbished one from Best Buy..that happened to come with the same 1 year warranty, as a new one, for about 75% off its original MSRP

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Personally don't think you can beat this player if you need is a 4K UHD transport with apps
I personally could care less about the upscaling and don't for a minute understand how anyone is paying those prices for the Oppo
I don't mind spending money but that seems like a waste.

I think these players have gotten to be "throw away type" of items and frankly if it works and if quiet I am in

4K with HDR is the absolutely pinnacle of what is possible with picture quality today in the home, with a format that only launched last year and we (should) all want to endure for many years, in the face of unwelcome competition from streaming services [offering less content per title at lower quality* ]. In my view, no player that can play these wonderful discs should ever be described as "throw away" technology!

* extras missing. Lower bitrates. No lossless audio. This is not progress/better for the consumer.
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4K with HDR is the absolutely pinnacle of what is possible with picture quality today in the home, with a format that only launched last year and we (should) all want to endure for many years, in the face of unwelcome competition from streaming services [offering less content per title at lower quality* ]. In my view, no player that can play these wonderful discs should ever be described as "throw away" technology!

* extras missing. Lower bitrates. No lossless audio. This is not progress/better for the consumer.
It seems like Dolby Vision with 4K is the absolute pinnacle from what I have read throughout this forum. With only one player currently offering DV support, this unit is essentially a throwaway unit for me as well as I do know I will be replacing it down the line once DV is supported on more players at a more competitive price. I dont think he meant throwaway in terms of quality just in terms of evolving technology will lead to this eventually getting replaced by something better. I absolutely love this player from the few days I have had it but all I really need for it to do is spin a disc and do HDR. ATMOS and things of that nature mean nothing to me since I use a soundbar in a small living room but I can see how the absence of certain audio decoders could make it more of a throwaway unit to some.
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It seems like Dolby Vision with 4K is the absolute pinnacle from what I have read throughout this forum. With only one player currently offering DV support, this unit is essentially a throwaway unit for me as well as I do know I will be replacing it down the line once DV is supported on more players at a more competitive price.
I very carefully said HDR in the generic sense, not a specific format sense.

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Yes indeed. But throwaway sounds very harsh, and is unfair - as if it would somehow become "worthless" when it certainly won't be

Remember, DVDs still outsell Blu-Rays by a huge margin. We enthusiasts are not representative of the real market.
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I very carefully said HDR in the generic sense, not a specific format sense.







Yes indeed. But throwaway sounds very harsh, and is unfair - as if it would somehow become "worthless" when it certainly won't be



Remember, DVDs still outsell Blu-Rays by a huge margin. We enthusiasts are not representative of the real market.


My hope is the studios phase out DVD while focusing solely on BD & Ultra HD BD very soon.
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Can someone tell me what settings I should be using for this player on a tcl 605 4k tv?

From what I read you should let the tv do scaling rather then the blu ray or a/v receiver correct?

So in picture settings should I set it to output 1080p (when playing 1080p movies) and my tv will upscale or should I just put it on auto or what?

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Can someone tell me what settings I should be using for this player on a tcl 605 4k tv?

From what I read you should let the tv do scaling rather then the blu ray or a/v receiver correct?

So in picture settings should I set it to output 1080p (when playing 1080p movies) and my tv will upscale or should I just put it on auto or what?

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For one thing, make damn sure Deep Color is turned off in the player. You have to force it to 1080p output for Blu-ray's and make sure you switch back to 2160p or auto for streaming and UHD Blu-ray.

Yes, let the TV do the scaling... if you have an expensive set. Though, I believe this player has better 4k upscaling than the TCL's. I'd just leave it on 2160p.

Do turn off all video processing in your receiver. Turn off on-screen graphics as well.

If you have a surround receiver, then Secondary Audio must be off and you want Bitstream (unprocessed) selected with dynamic range control off as well.
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Absolutely impossible to sift through this thread.. I've been trying to play DVDs on this and the quality is extra terrible? I don't know why. Also Creed is super grainy looking. Something is up w the settings probably but I can't quite put my finger on it. I followed the OPs recommended settings and on my KS8000 I'm running in Movie mode with all the right settings as well..
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Just got my Sony 75-940D a few months back and it was a HUGE investment for me. I expect (hope) it to last at least 10 years for me. It doesn't and never will do DV but that's OK, I'll never be moving up just to get DV.. So seeing as my TV cost right around 20X what the Sammy BD cost, yea whatever might happen to it, I consider it a throw away. I can only guess what TV tech might be offering in 2027 but I suspect if the combo of my Sammy BD and Sony TV are still running, they'll still be offering the same awesome playback they are today.
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Absolutely impossible to sift through this thread.. I've been trying to play DVDs on this and the quality is extra terrible? I don't know why. Also Creed is super grainy looking. Something is up w the settings probably but I can't quite put my finger on it. I followed the OPs recommended settings and on my KS8000 I'm running in Movie mode with all the right settings as well..
You start to see just how bad some of the authoring and compression was on many of these DVD's... plus the fact 480i upconverted to 2160p is one hell of a stretch to fill in the pixel "gaps" so to speak.

Also, make sure the sharpness on the display is dialed down to where the set does not introduce artificial noise; the most "neutral" sharpness setting. On some displays it's zero. Sometimes it's a little higher than that because zero looks blurrier. No manufacturer is exactly the same.

Deep Color on this player must be turned off. BD Wise should be off as well.

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You start to see just how bad some of the authoring and compression was on many of these DVD's... plus the fact 480i upconverted to 2160p is one hell of a stretch to fill in the pixel "gaps" so to speak.

Also, make sure the sharpness on the display is dialed down to where the set does not introduce artificial noise; the most "neutral" sharpness setting. On some displays it's zero. Sometimes it's a little higher than that because zero looks blurrier. No manufacturer is exactly the same.

Deep Color on this player must be turned off. BD Wise should be off as well.
Deep Color off, BD Wise off and played with Sharpness which had no effect on the noise in the background of the movie. Is it possible that its my HDMI cable? Maybe this is intentional? I don't know. Can anyone with Creed confirm?
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You start to see just how bad some of the authoring and compression was on many of these DVD's... plus the fact 480i upconverted to 2160p is one hell of a stretch to fill in the pixel "gaps" so to speak.

Also, make sure the sharpness on the display is dialed down to where the set does not introduce artificial noise; the most "neutral" sharpness setting. On some displays it's zero. Sometimes it's a little higher than that because zero looks blurrier. No manufacturer is exactly the same.

Deep Color on this player must be turned off. BD Wise should be off as well.
Deep Color off, BD Wise off and played with Sharpness which had no effect on the noise in the background of the movie. Is it possible that its my HDMI cable? Maybe this is intentional? I don't know. Can anyone with Creed confirm?
It may just be a grainier movie. If it was your HDMI cable, you would have flashes of digital video hash or actual drop outs and/or hand shaking issues.
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Can anyone with Creed confirm?
While not Creed, I tried an old DVD of Van Helsing, just to see what it would look like. While not completely deplorable, it was no where near Bluray or UHD BD quality. I have the KS 8500, it may just be a limit of the TV's ability to up convert a DVD (I wasn't shocked, it looked about like what I had expected). Mine was a little grainy and muddy, not clear at all. I'm spoiled with the UHD BD's and regular BD's.
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My hope is the studios phase out DVD while focusing solely on BD & Ultra HD BD very soon.
I would love for that to happen, but considering that DVDs still outsell BDs, I would be surprised if that were to happen. Plus hasn't digital sales already surpassed disc sales? Disc sales overall have been waning for years now.

But I have certainly purchased a ton of discs since the UHD BD format launched(I'm around 130 titles now). And the fourteen months I owned the K8500, that contributed to most of those sales.

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That could be although I'll never go digital myself for movies & series. Always disc format for me. Although I've been digital only for music for 12 years.
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While not Creed, I tried an old DVD of Van Helsing, just to see what it would look like. While not completely deplorable, it was no where near Bluray or UHD BD quality. I have the KS 8500, it may just be a limit of the TV's ability to up convert a DVD (I wasn't shocked, it looked about like what I had expected). Mine was a little grainy and muddy, not clear at all. I'm spoiled with the UHD BD's and regular BD's.
DVD's with their much lower resolution and lesser color space (not to mentioned an outdated, low bitrate MPEG-2 video codec) are going to look mostly like garbage for a myriad of reasons on, especially, UHD displays.
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While not Creed, I tried an old DVD of Van Helsing, just to see what it would look like. While not completely deplorable, it was no where near Bluray or UHD BD quality. I have the KS 8500, it may just be a limit of the TV's ability to up convert a DVD (I wasn't shocked, it looked about like what I had expected). Mine was a little grainy and muddy, not clear at all. I'm spoiled with the UHD BD's and regular BD's.
Van Helsing is coming out on UHD BD in September. It should be a big improvement over the DVd played on the k8500 or any other player.

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