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post #12961 of 14194 Old 07-31-2017, 04:29 PM
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DVD's with their much lower resolution and lesser color space (not to mentioned an outdated, low bitrate MPEG-2 video codec) are going to look mostly like garbage for a myriad of reasons on, especially, UHD displays.
Everything's relative. DVDs will still look fantastic compared with VHS on the same display, just like they did when launched!

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While not Creed, I tried an old DVD of Van Helsing, just to see what it would look like. While not completely deplorable, it was no where near Bluray or UHD BD quality. I have the KS 8500, it may just be a limit of the TV's ability to up convert a DVD (I wasn't shocked, it looked about like what I had expected). Mine was a little grainy and muddy, not clear at all. I'm spoiled with the UHD BD's and regular BD's.
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Currently going through the 7 Seasons Of Star Trek Next Generation Blu-rays, plus the previous Star Trek Enterprise Blu-rays. All done with allowing the K8500 to do the up conversion to 4K for my HU9000 + SEK-3500U, and I have no issues with the final results. In fact, I believe the K8500 is doing a better job than the SEK would do. I will assume it's because the K versus H, versus J, is newer technology.
I was trying to help Saltyramen, know that the DVD format is going to not look very good on a 4k TV. I knew it was gonna look like poo, I only did it out of pure curiosity and it looked like I expected. I never watch regular DVD's anymore, at least not on my KS8500.
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Anyways, this is now going way off topic but just so you are aware there are hard-wired methods to connect an Android phone or tablet to a TV. One of the more popular methods is called MHL/SlimPort (via Micro-USB) or Micro-HDMI cable if supported.
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I don't have an Android phone so have no first hand experience but if you decide to go this route make sure to get an adapter that also provides power to your phone so you don't find yourself having to recharge it half way through the movie!
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Hi. New UBD-K8500 owner. What's the best connection method for playing CDs? I have a Yamaha RX-V583 and had an old DBX DX5 CD player hooked up to it via RCA inputs and it played great. Now I hooked up the Samsung machine via the HDMI 1 port and movies play back great but the CD playback quality is pathetic. It seems to be playing in surround sound, not stereo. I'm thinking maybe I need to hook it up with the optical audio port or maybe HDMI 2 for CD playback only? I would appreciate any advice I can get on this.
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Hi. New UBD-K8500 owner. What's the best connection method for playing CDs? I have a Yamaha RX-V583 and had an old DBX DX5 CD player hooked up to it via RCA inputs and it played great. Now I hooked up the Samsung machine via the HDMI 1 port and movies play back great but the CD playback quality is pathetic. It seems to be playing in surround sound, not stereo. I'm thinking maybe I need to hook it up with the optical audio port or maybe HDMI 2 for CD playback only? I would appreciate any advice I can get on this.
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You need to change the settings on your receiver for stereo output. That is what is playing in surround.

Most receivers will remember the setting once you make a change. So when you change the 2.0 pcm stereo input to stereo output, the next time you have 2.0 pcm content it should default to that stereo output again. At least this is the case for many receivers. But certainly not all.
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Is it possible to play files with atmos soundtrack from a external hard drive connected to the player?
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You need to change the settings on your receiver for stereo output. That is what is playing in surround.

Most receivers will remember the setting once you make a change. So when you change the 2.0 pcm stereo input to stereo output, the next time you have 2.0 pcm content it should default to that stereo output again. At least this is the case for many receivers. But certainly not all.

Thanks aaronwt. Hopefully I can get my receiver to remember two settings from one audio/video input, HDMI 1, because the audio-only sources don't display the CD info on the TV. I'll experiment with this and see if it will distinguish between movies and audio and play either surround or stereo accordingly.
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Is this player multi regional?

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Is this player multi regional?
No. No player is multi-regional, unless you buy a special hacked version.

If there is a "handset hack" I'd really, really like to know what it is.

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no. No player is multi-regional, unless you buy a special hacked version.

If there is a "handset hack" i'd really, really like to know what it is.
my son orders a lot of movies from the uk and they won't play on his blue ray player.

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My recall could be wrong, but I seem to remember multiple people mentioning that UHD disc are not region specific unlike Blu-rays/DVDs.

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My recall could be wrong, but I seem to remember multiple people mentioning that UHD disc are not region specific unlike Blu-rays/DVDs.
This is a red herring, unfortunately.

UHD discs are normally sold with the accompanying Blu-Ray, which IS STILL region-locked. You might say "that's ok, just throw it away" - but the UHD discs are bare-bones cut right down to the movie only. No extras, no commentaries, no behind-the-scenes, no interviews, no making-of documentaries, no storyboards - absolutely NOTHING. My whole UHD collection is like this. You're expected to watch all the extras on the 1080p Blu-Ray version. If you can't play the accompanying Blu-Ray you're screwed. It's worse than the early days of DVD! At least early DVDs had animated menus. Most of my UHD discs don't even have animated menus, they aren't even trying to make them attractive on their own. It's like they are a bonus version (with very good picture/sound quality) that's thrown in with the Blu-Ray which is the "proper" disc in the box.

The reason I would like a handset have for THIS player is to play back my existing large multi-region DVD collection, nothing to do with importing UHD titles from America (which would be a huge waste of money because of the region-locked Blu-Ray in the case with it, as explained above).
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This is a red herring, unfortunately.

UHD discs are normally sold with the accompanying Blu-Ray, which IS STILL region-locked. You might say "that's ok, just throw it away" - but the UHD discs are bare-bones cut right down to the movie only. No extras, no commentaries, no behind-the-scenes, no interviews, no making-of documentaries, no storyboards - absolutely NOTHING. If you can't play the accompanying Blu-Ray you're screwed. It's worse than the early days of DVD!

The reason I would like a handset have for THIS player is to play back my existing large multi-region DVD collection, nothing to do with importing UHD titles from America (which would be a huge waste of money because of the region-locked Blu-Ray in the case with it, as explained above)
Then get a multi-region blu-ray player or a region b blu-ray player. Samsung K8500 for UHD & Multi-region player for blu-ray commentaries. Problem solved

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Then get a multi-region blue ray player or a region b blu-ray player. Samsung K8500 for UHD & Multi-region player for blu-ray. Problem solved
Problem worked-around, not in the least "solved"

My existing trusty multi-region DVD player isn't broken. It still works very well. I'm just saying that if I had a handset hack I could free up a lot more space in the cabinet!

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Problem worked-around, not in the least "solved"

My existing trusty multi-region DVD player isn't broken. It still works very well. I'm just saying that if I had a handset hack I could free up a lot more space in the cabinet!
I hear you a one stop solution. I know there are hardware mods for all the new UHD devices but i don't trust them, you void your warranty and you're screwed if something happens to your device. Hence why i stick to 2 devices to "work around" the issue.
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I hear you a one stop solution. I know there are hardware mods for all the new UHD devices but i don't trust them, you void your warranty and you're screwed if something happens to your device. Hence why i stick to 2 devices to "work around" the issue.
In this age of regular firmware upgrades over the internet being (a) more or less required to fix problems, yet (b) able to instantly kill your multi-region function, then I agree having multiple devices is the only reliable solution.

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Is it possible to play files with atmos soundtrack from a external hard drive connected to the player? to a samsung hw-k950?
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Is it possible to play files with atmos soundtrack from a external hard drive connected to the player? to a samsung hw-k950?
No. They limit audio via video file playback to lossy.

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No. They limit audio via video file playback to lossy.
are there other UHD-players where that is possible?
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are there other UHD-players where that is possible?
Not according to the newer BDA rules. This was an implemented copy protection measure. Disc based only.

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I had the chance to try the samsung and xbox one s side by side today
To my dismay the xbox one s had the better picture

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my son orders a lot of movies from the uk and they won't play on his blue ray player.
What brand of player is he using? He may not have UK region, rather 50 hz PAL discs. Sony USA players & TVs won't play 50 hz. Most other brands will. As a result I'll NEVER buy a Sony again....
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I had the chance to try the samsung and xbox one s side by side today
To my dismay the xbox one s had the better picture
Hate to break it to you but I think your side-by-side comparison might have been a wee bit flawed.

According to this recent article published on June 7, 2017, although the Xbox One S image quality "was just as good as the dedicated players" it certainly wasn't better.

4K Blu-ray player shootout: Xbox One S vs. Samsung vs. Sony vs. Oppo

Moving onto the interface, the reviewer found the Xbox One S "...menu system a nightmare. The on-screen display is confused, convoluted and makes finding anything more difficult than before. And that's just games. As the Xbox is not a disc player first and foremost, you may have to burrow down to access the Blu-ray app.".

Next if operating speed is important to you, you will see that the Xbox One S was not as fast as the standalone players and that the Samsung lead the pack in most of the load time tests.

Granted while console can provide the advantages of both gaming and 4K Blu-ray player functionality, as you can see you will have to compromise in some areas and since the Xbox One S only has a single HDMI output that might pose an issue compared to the UBD-K8500 that includes dual HDMI outputs which is especially important if you don't have a recent AVR that provides 4K passthrough of HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2.

Here is an older comparison that might also be of interest to you that makes the same conclusion regarding picture quality as follows:

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Panasonic DMP-UB900 vs Samsung UBD-K8500 vs Xbox One S


Although everyone is going to have their own opinion like this reply to your post on July 24th...

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The best on the market right now is the Panasonic DMP-UB900 and coming in at a close second is the Oppo UDP-203. It really depends on your budget though as these are both pricey players.
...considering the Samsung UBD-K8500 was the first player to hit the marketplace over a year ago, it still holds it's own especially in light of the great price you can find these at now since they have subsequently replaced it with 2 new models since it's introduction.

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I just got this player yesterday and so far I'm really happy with some parts of it: Netflix, YouTube and 1080p Blu-ray playback mainly. UHD discs, though? I've got a bit of an issue there. Those seem to look dimmer (as if the brightness setting had been lowered) and more washed out (like if contrast was turned down) than I was expecting. Detail is definitely there but not color or brightness.

I've been using the Fifth Element UHD as a comparison test because it came with a 1080p Blu-ray. I've got my old Sony BDP-S2200 connected to one input and the K8500 another. The 1080p disc doesn't have the raw detail, of course, but it has way more natural colors.

I have a 2015 Vizio M50-C1 which does not support HDR and I think that's the culprit, since YouTube and Netflix and Amazon all look fine (ie. not washed out). Could it be the case that the player's not compensating for my lack of HDR support? Like it's expecting the TV to do something with that image and not caring when it doesn't? If that is the case, should I just adjust the settings in the K8500 playback menu? I'm assuming I'd need to increase brightness and color but no idea how much.

I should also note that I tried changing the color mode in the K8500 menu from YPbPr 4:4:4 to RGB Enhanced and the colors and brightness are definitely different but they look blown out. Like it was a step too far. I saw this post from last October where someone pointed out that my TV doesn't support 4:4:4 chroma either. Would that explain the difference in YPbPr and RGB?

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Guys, will this player pass Atmos from the VUDU app?

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post #12987 of 14194 Old 08-08-2017, 12:30 PM
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Guys, will this player pass Atmos from the VUDU app?
I can attest the Dolby Atmos demo clips on Vudu work as should. Sorry, I don't know about rentals.
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I can attest the Dolby Atmos demo clips on Vudu work as should. Sorry, I don't know about rentals.
Oh my goodness, thank you for reminded me of that. I watched those demos and forgot all about it. doh me

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No. They limit audio via video file playback to lossy.
what bugs me about atmos and usb file playback is that if you download the atmos test files from dolby website and you play it via usb in the K8500 they will play with atmos sound decoded, I haven't checked if the audio part in those demos is true hd plus atmos layer or DD+ plus atmos layer
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what bugs me about atmos and usb file playback is that if you download the atmos test files from dolby website and you play it via usb in the K8500 they will play with atmos sound decoded, I haven't checked if the audio part in those demos is true hd plus atmos layer or DD+ plus atmos layer
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Duration                                 : 10 min 20 s
Overall bit rate                         : 1 955 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-10-21 00:34:37
Tagged date                              : UTC 2016-10-21 00:34:37

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Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.030
Stream size                              : 111 MiB (77%)
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Format                                   : E-AC-3
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Format profile                           : E-AC-3+Atmos / E-AC-3
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