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Posted a while back but never got an answer.

If I just want this player to output the source directly like you can do in other players what do I select? Like if I don't want it to mess with the picture (upscale, noise reduction, etc) and just want it to directly feed my a/v receiver the pure direct video/audio what do I put it on to do this?
I followed the setup that Bill Hunt provided (thedigitalbits.com), which is basically what you are looking for
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Question , can this player output at 23.976 Hz for movies ? And specifically, 23.976 Hz for Amazon app movies ? Thanks.
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I gather you asking for FPS? Yes it does output 24 frames per second. As far as Amazon, I'm not 100% sure. I use my tv for Amazon, not my player.
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Yes, the player outputs 23.x for movies encoded that way (and, due to the newer BDA specs, 24 fps too). I'm not sure about the apps either.
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I have a same setup - K8500 and Denon X2000, but my TV also uses the SEK-3500 to handle the 4K video. I have no issues using two HDMI cables. One for video and one just for sound going to the X2000.
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Thanks Galonzo. Is it 24p or 23.976p ?
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And does it auto select the frame rate or can you select manually ?
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... and if so, can 23.976p frame rate be selected manually in the settings ?
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it automatically goes to 24p, and no you can't change it

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@tausifs , unfortunately, I do not currently have a way to get the exact framerate, as my display as well as my AVR only show 24Hz or 24p for the incoming signal. You can force 60Hz by setting Movie Frame (24Fs) = Off, or 24Hz when set to Auto for content that is 24Hz natively.

Edit: I just tested this with the Tick on Prime; Off I got 60p, and Auto I got 24p.

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Thanks again Galonzo.

I also have a X box One S. I will try the Amazon app for streaming movies , this player has a 24fps setting too.
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Good Day,
I was wondering if anyone was using the RS420 with the Samsung K8500, and having a great viewing experience, or if I should get another 4K player? I am looking at ordering the RS420 possibly in the next day or two, but wanted to ask if the K8500 will be good for 4K discs.
I understand that streaming 4K and HDR all have some tweaking to get the best picture.
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I was wondering if anyone was using the RS420 with the Samsung K8500, and having a great viewing experience, or if I should get another 4K player? I am looking at ordering the RS420 possibly in the next day or two, but wanted to ask if the K8500 will be good for 4K discs.
I understand that streaming 4K and HDR all have some tweaking to get the best picture.
Thanks,
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I would couple the JVC with the Oppo 203. This player has a number of extra nifty features for users of projectors. You could even do a scope ratio screen as it provides for moveable subtitles and a 21:9 mode (supposedly in 4k) if the JVC's scaler is limited in the latter regard. The subtitle feature is handy regardless.

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I tried the amazon app on my Xbox One. Used the Xbox advanced video setting of "allow 24 Hz" for games and apps.

Sadly, the TV is showing the input video signal as 60p , not 24p.
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Can the k8500 stream Netflix with HDR?
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Can the k8500 stream Netflix with HDR?
Yes it can as of update 1011.
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Can the k8500 stream Netflix with HDR?
It can stream 4K HDR on Amazon Prime. I am watching The Grand Tour thusly right now.

I have not paid to upgrade my Netflix account (yet) to 4K, as I am still very irritated by Netflix's reneging on their $7.99 per month for life deal - so I could not test it for 4K HDR via k8500 streaming.
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It can stream 4K HDR on Amazon Prime. I am watching The Grand Tour thusly right now.



I have not paid to upgrade my Netflix account (yet) to 4K, as I am still very irritated by Netflix's reneging on their $7.99 per month for life deal - so I could not test it for 4K HDR via k8500 streaming.


It does support Netflix content in HDR10, but as you already know the player doesn’t support Dolby Vision.

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Could it theoretically support Dolby Vision with a firmware update ?
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Could it theoretically support Dolby Vision with a firmware update ?
In theory yes, but actuality not going to happen. Samsung doesn't support DV. They are all in for HDR10+ which would be the "free" version of DV. Companies pay Dolby to use DV while HDR10+ is the competing metadata version of DV which Samsung is the leading company trying to push HDR10+

Both DV and HDR10+ are dynamic which right now HDR10 is not as it is static. Which means, DV applies it's coding per scene and it adapts where as HDR10 is just static and applied for the entire length of a movie. HDR10+ is dynamic, and depending on how it goes, will be DV's top competitor in about 2-6 months potentially.
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Once more having stuttering problems with two new movies, this time Minions and Despicable me 3.
now have 6 out of 60 UHD movies which cause my player problems.
Looks like I might be in the market for a better player.
the UBD-K8500 is just not good enough.

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Once more having stuttering problems with two new movies, this time Minions and Despicable me 3.
now have 6 out of 60 UHD movies which cause my player problems.
Looks like I might be in the market for a better player.
the UBD-K8500 is just not good enough.
If the disc stutters at the same point always, its probably the disc. Every time I have a disc stutter issue I exchange the disc and it works perfectly.
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[QUOTE=BrianNLS;54820840]It can stream 4K HDR on Amazon Prime. I am watching The Grand Tour thusly right now.

I have not paid to upgrade my Netflix account (yet) to 4K, as I am still very irritated by Netflix's reneging on their $7.99 per month for life deal - so I could not test it for 4K HDR via k8500 streaming.[/]That's a totally unfair criticism and shows a lack of business acumen.

It isn't Netflix that sets movie prices no more than it is AMC who does. The movie studios are who gouge us all, including Netflix and Theater chains.

There was no way possible for Netflix to not go bankrupt (still aren't very profitable) and continue to negotiate the ever rising contracts with the studios for the best content faster, the company wouldn't exist anymore should it have kept it's promise. Fact is, they had every intent to keep prices at the level they always did. However, the studios, I think it was 2 years ago, got together and said they didn't want Netflix to become the iTunes for movies, so they raised prices. Thats why Netflix moved to original content and shows. Remember, 5 years ago, Netflix was all movies; they're too expensive to keep, so the company wisely shifted. Luckily, the content is top notch.

Just look at the current contract dispute with Disney, yet the evil empire still decided to pull their movies within a year or so to develop their own streaming service for guess what price? $9.99 per month, or even higher for 4K is the rumor, which is why they don't want to do 4K discs for Star Wars etc.

Always think a layer deeper and remove emotions from such an analysis. I've been with Netflix for 14 years now and it's one of the most customer friendly companies I've ever known.

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Could it theoretically support Dolby Vision with a firmware update ?
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In theory yes, but actuality not going to happen. Samsung doesn't support DV. They are all in for HDR10+ which would be the "free" version of DV. .
Beyond that the 8500 is a inexpensive player, they are considered disposable with a built-in planed obsolescence. You wanting the latest SOTA tech, pony up for a new player.

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On a side note , Apple announced the ATV 4K recently , which will support Dolby Vision. There is no confirmation if it will support 24p but it's doubtful it will in my opinion.

I have learnt in this thread that Amazon movies on the Samsung UHD Blu ray player uhd-k8500 are output at 24p so it is on my shopping list. Thanks.
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Any chance of this player having HDR support in the YouTube app?
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Any chance of this player having HDR support in the YouTube app?
As far as I know, it already does. I've looked at my Samsung tv info and it has said HDR when viewing YouTube.

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As far as I know, it already does. I've looked at my Samsung tv info and it has said HDR when viewing YouTube.

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It should say it in the YouTube app. Also HDR in the app would show up in the codec used VP9.2. Unfortunately the YouTube app on the UBD-K8500 does not do this.
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Any chance of this player having HDR support in the YouTube app?
No, this player does not have the hardware required to do VP9 profile 2. No YouTube HDR will be possible, for the same reason many other devices and TVs which can do HDR can't do YouTube HDR.
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It can stream 4K HDR on Amazon Prime. I am watching The Grand Tour thusly right now.

I have not paid to upgrade my Netflix account (yet) to 4K, as I am still very irritated by Netflix's reneging on their $7.99 per month for life deal - so I could not test it for 4K HDR via k8500 streaming.[/]That's a totally unfair criticism and shows a lack of business acumen.

It isn't Netflix that sets movie prices no more than it is AMC who does. The movie studios are who gouge us all, including Netflix and Theater chains.

There was no way possible for Netflix to not go bankrupt (still aren't very profitable) and continue to negotiate the ever rising contracts with the studios for the best content faster, the company wouldn't exist anymore should it have kept it's promise. Fact is, they had every intent to keep prices at the level they always did. However, the studios, I think it was 2 years ago, got together and said they didn't want Netflix to become the iTunes for movies, so they raised prices. Thats why Netflix moved to original content and shows. Remember, 5 years ago, Netflix was all movies; they're too expensive to keep, so the company wisely shifted. Luckily, the content is top notch.

Just look at the current contract dispute with Disney, yet the evil empire still decided to pull their movies within a year or so to develop their own streaming service for guess what price? $9.99 per month, or even higher for 4K is the rumor, which is why they don't want to do 4K discs for Star Wars etc.

Always think a layer deeper and remove emotions from such an analysis. I've been with Netflix for 14 years now and it's one of the most customer friendly companies I've ever known.
Fact: Netflix committed to me (and millions of others) that my price for streaming services would be "$7.99 per for life."

Fact: Netflix unilaterally increased my monthly price, without my permission and despite my direct protests in 2016.

There was nothing equivocal about Netflix's promise.

The cost of Netflix's inputs does not impact their obligation to meet their advertised and sold commitments. Nor does Netflix's profitability. Nor does any or all of their changes in strategy, including content sourcing.

Zero emotion in the above. Just facts.

Note I am still a Netflix subscriber, but I do not subscribe to Netflix 4K streaming, which was germane to the poster's question. Your reponse to my posting was not.

I will choose to ignore the sanctimony and/or condescension in your reply above and assume it was not intentional. If you'd like to have a discussion on this topic, please start a new thread and I will engage.
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Fact: Netflix committed to me (and millions of others) that my price for streaming services would be "$7.99 per for life."

Fact: Netflix unilaterally increased my monthly price, without my permission and despite my direct protests in 2016.

There was nothing equivocal about Netflix's promise.

The cost of Netflix's inputs does not impact their obligation to meet their advertised and sold commitments. Nor does Netflix's profitability. Nor does any or all of their changes in strategy, including content sourcing.

Zero emotion in the above. Just facts.

Note I am still a Netflix subscriber, but I do not subscribe to Netflix 4K streaming, which was germane to the poster's question. Your reponse to my posting was not.

I will choose to ignore the sanctimony and/or condescension in your reply above and assume it was not intentional. If you'd like to have a discussion on this topic, please start a new thread and I will engage.

I understand - - a deal is a deal. I'll say this, though - - the best streaming of 4K & HDR is via Netflix for me. I had a Netflix subscription many years ago for Bluray discs. I ended up going to my local Blockbuster and when that fizzled out, I began using Redbox. I still use Redbox but also subscribe to the cheapie, two discs a month from 3DBlurayrental.com for 4K/HDR content.

So while I understand your point, you are certainly missing a lot of great 4K/HDR content via Netflix. Only you can determine if it's worth it not to pay extra for the 4K/HDR streaming service.

I've finally been able to optimize my Samsung K8500 settings along with my TV (75" Sony 900E) and in general, I've been very happy with the player. Not so, at first, but then I did some reading into 4K/HDR Bluray Discs and all the fake/upscaled content from 2K sources that, quite frankly, doesn't look as good as HDR from Netflix. And I've also learned that you can't over generalize 2K source upscaling and the additional encoding of HDR. Just look at the reviews for 4K/HDR Bladerunner from bluray.com. I'm looking forward to renting that next month.

For grins, I went out and picked up a Sony UBPX800 player and found it to be far slower and inferior to the Sammy K8500. Just my experience. Load times were significantly higher on the Sony player.

Lastly - - no HDR with "YouTube" on the Samsung K8500? Confirmed? It still looks great on my set but my native Sony apps won't provide "YouTube" HDR content either.
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