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When I first redeemed Lucy a year ago, it was in HDR, but a couple of weeks later it wasn't and last I checked it didn't come back. So, I don't think they have HDR support on the 8500 despite having it briefly a year ago.
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Odd indeed. Thanks.
When I was doing a little research yesterday to see if I could answer your question I came across a similar reply from @CCsoftball7 posted about a year ago saying that one day it worked and the next it didn't (see attached thumbnail) but I thought it best to wait for others to chime in who have access to the app.

Odd indeed.
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When I was doing a little research yesterday to see if I could answer your question I came across a similar reply from @CCsoftball7 posted about a year ago saying that one day it worked and the next it didn't (see attached thumbnail) but I thought it best to wait for others to chime in who have access to the app.

Odd indeed.
Correct. It was there, then it was gone and has never returned to the best of my knowledge. The only place FandangoNow has HDR10 is on the Roku units (as far as I am aware).
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Correct. It was there, then it was gone and has never returned to the best of my knowledge. The only place FandangoNow has HDR10 is on the Roku units (as far as I am aware).
And the Samsung Smart TV's. Before I got my Roku, that's how I watched HDR content. The TV also requires the Vidity USB drive to be plugged in.
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And the Samsung Smart TV's. Before I got my Roku, that's how I watched HDR content. The TV also requires the Vidity USB drive to be plugged in.
Ah, yes...I forgot about that. Since it's TV specific, that's probably why it slipped my mind.

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Correct. It was there, then it was gone and has never returned to the best of my knowledge. The only place FandangoNow has HDR10 is on the Roku units (as far as I am aware).
HDR10 is currently available (on my Ultraviolet titles) from the FandangoNow app on my Samsung Q9.
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Ah, yes...I forgot about that. Since it's TV specific, that's probably why it slipped my mind.
All the more reason some of us need a Cheat Sheet..... or brain surgery to add additional memory capacity to keep track of all this stuff.


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Question for you guys, I have the c7 oled soundtouch 300 and k8500 blu ray player. I am trying find the best audio settings from the player to maximize my audio experience. Anyone know what's good? It's currently set to PCM.
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I have a question and couldn’t find an answer via search.

Let’s say I have this player and it’s connected to an AV receiver that can put out Dolby Vision that is connected to a TV that also supports Dolby vision. If the UHD Blu-ray disc has Dolby vision metadata on it, would I be able to watch it in Dolby Vision due to my AV receiver and TV supporting it or does the player have to support it as well?

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Question for you guys, I have the c7 oled soundtouch 300 and k8500 blu ray player. I am trying find the best audio settings from the player to maximize my audio experience. Anyone know what's good? It's currently set to PCM.
Your Bose bar only decodes lossy DTS and Dolby Digital, so have the player send multi-channel PCM to that Soundtouch 300.

The next suggestion is buying something other than Bose. Seriously. I'm not joking. There are other much better options out there. You have a great TV, so why not add great audio as well?
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I have a question and couldn’t find an answer via search.

Let’s say I have this player and it’s connected to an AV receiver that can put out Dolby Vision that is connected to a TV that also supports Dolby vision. If the UHD Blu-ray disc has Dolby vision metadata on it, would I be able to watch it in Dolby Vision due to my AV receiver and TV supporting it or does the player have to support it as well?
No. All devices must support DV.
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Your Bose bar only decodes lossy DTS and Dolby Digital, so have the player send multi-channel PCM to that Soundtouch 300.

The next suggestion is buying something other than Bose. Seriously. I'm not joking. There are other much better options out there. You have a great TV, so why not add great audio as well?
Thank you for the input. I haven't Demo'd anything else but I got the st300 with am300 for 1k new. So I took it. Huge upgrade from my klipsch sb3. But I'm curious on hearing the new Sony atmos soundbar in person.
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Thank you for the input. I haven't Demo'd anything else but I got the st300 with am300 for 1k new. So I took it. Huge upgrade from my klipsch sb3. But I'm curious on hearing the new Sony atmos soundbar in person.
Though it's your choice, I would steer clear of soundbars. You pay a lot, but end up with lesser capable electronics and speakers that are sub par for the money spent and a sub that's just... bleh. Maybe you spend a little more for the complete quality speaker/sub/receiver package, but the end result is well worth it.
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Though it's your choice, I would steer clear of soundbars. You pay a lot, but end up with lesser capable electronics and speakers that are sub par for the money spent and a sub that's just... bleh. Maybe you spend a little more for the complete quality speaker/sub/receiver package, but the end result is well worth it.
I completely understand. But I am limited by astethics and speaker layout. So it's my preferred option. Thank you for all your input.
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While playing around in the Cheat Sheet this morning I noticed one other thing that might be useful telling you guys about.

A handy feature in Excel is the ability to Add, Edit and Delete Comments in a particular cell which can be useful to store settings or other relevant information about a particular device or application. For additional information, please click on the attached thumbnail.

I have updated the instructions PDF document to included this information which can be downloaded below.
I have to quit tinkering with my Cheat Sheet. Although the Excel template still remains the same I noticed some typos in the instructions so I have corrected them and moved things around a bit so the Editing Functions flow a little better. A new version of the instructions is available below.

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Thanks @Musician I used the cheat sheet last night and I was going through my K8500 settings and realized I wasn't getting the full potential picture from my player. I changed the video settings from standard to natural and man oh man, my screen started to pop with so much colour!

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Thanks @Musician I used the cheat sheet last night and I was going through my K8500 settings and realized I wasn't getting the full potential picture from my player. I changed the video settings from standard to natural and man oh man, my screen started to pop with so much colour!
I hope you wrote those the wrong way around by mistake? You were on Natural but restored it to Standard?
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Thanks @Musician I used the cheat sheet last night and I was going through my K8500 settings and realized I wasn't getting the full potential picture from my player. I changed the video settings from standard to natural and man oh man, my screen started to pop with so much colour!
You are welcome @Quicksilv3r !

And just to back up @mrtickleuk 's post, my pal @galonzo who owns his own calibration equipment produced some charts that presents the effects of the various K8500 picture modes settings on the UBD-K8500 and which provides the best picture where Standard came out on top (see images below).

I am not sure how you changed from "standard to natural" because 'natural' isn't a selection on the K8500's menu.

Now if what you meant by that is you changed a setting on your TV, calibrators recommend Movie mode or what some manufacturers call Cinema mode (e.g. LG).

Here are a couple of great little guides put together by another friend of mine, @King Richard , that you might find useful...


And here is a CNET article that concurs with that saying that Movie / Cinema mode is the way to go...


I could post more articles discussing TV picture settings but they all say pretty much the same thing.

Getting back to the Cheat Sheet, I am pleased that guys are finding it useful. As a matter of fact you are one step ahead of me as I have barely started transferring my settings into the comments area for each of my devices.

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Ok sorry I changed it to Dynamic. I don't what professionals say, they don't have my eyes or know what I think looks good.

I find on my Samsung tv for HDR content I have it set on HDR+ with warm 2 settings , local dimming on high. Basically anything to brighten my picture, I've done it and adding Dynamic from the K8500 has allowed me to love the picture even more. It's all personal preference

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Ok sorry I changed it to Dynamic. I don't what professionals say, they don't have my eyes or know what I think looks good.
Actually, the reality is that the people who create the content know what looks correct to what was intended to please a wide audience. That is their job. They spend millions making it look a certain way, and we now have the technology to reproduce that in the home very accurately.

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Sure, ok, fine as long as you understand that by doing that, you are doing it at the expense of losing picture detail and quality, and it's less like the original than if you had left everything on standard. Why bother with UHD Blu-Rays if you are going to do such a thing; may as well stick with DVD and whack up the colour to max.

@Musician has spent a lot of time and effort explaining this to you and proving with accurate measurements which you just swept away with your ignorant (sorry to say this, but it was) "I know best" reply. And I explained to you that that mode is for store displays to compete with the very bright lights. It's a terrible shame you don't want to learn anything, because if you could get used to how films look when reproduced accurately, you would soon see the extra details which you are now telling your TV to throw away, and I think you would enjoy your movies more as a result.
Here on this forum, we are AVS enthusiasts, and our goal is to reproduce the audio as accurately as possible and reproduce the video as accurately as possible. This is why he spent so much time and effort giving links to @King Richard 's VERY HELPFUL posts and the CNET article. He gave you everything on a plate and it is blindingly obvious that you didn't read them, after all that. I think this is a shame. But we are now drifting off-topic for this thread.

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Actually, the reality is that the people who create the content know what looks correct to what was intended to please a wide audience. That is their job. They spend millions making it look a certain way, and we now have the technology to reproduce that in the home very accurately.







Sure, ok, fine as long as you understand that by doing that, you are doing it at the expense of losing picture detail and quality, and it's less like the original than if you had left everything on standard. Why bother with UHD Blu-Rays if you are going to do such a thing; may as well stick with DVD and whack up the colour to max.



@Musician has spent a lot of time and effort explaining this to you and proving with accurate measurements which you just swept away with your ignorant (sorry to say this, but it was) "I know best" reply. And I explained to you that that mode is for store displays to compete with the very bright lights. It's a terrible shame you don't want to learn anything, because if you could get used to how films look when reproduced accurately, you would soon see the extra details which you are now telling your TV to throw away, and I think you would enjoy your movies more as a result.

Here on this forum, we are AVS enthusiasts, and our goal is to reproduce the audio as accurately as possible and reproduce the video as accurately as possible. This is why he spent so much time and effort giving links to @King Richard 's VERY HELPFUL posts and the CNET article. He gave you everything on a plate and it is blindingly obvious that you didn't read them, after all that. I think this is a shame. But we are now drifting off-topic for this thread.


I’m not going to argue with you, I can fully appreciate what you and Musician are saying, but it’s a personal preference. I like things brighter and I actually also like using the soap opera effect. Just because my view is different from that of professionals and as you call it “video enthusiasts” doesn’t mean the way I watch tv and movies is wrong. I’ve probably spent close to 6hrs tweaking my settings to how I LIKE to view movies.




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I’m not going to argue with you, I can fully appreciate what you and Musician are saying, but it’s a personal preference. I like things brighter and I actually also like using the soap opera effect. Just because my view is different from that of professionals and as you call it “video enthusiasts” doesn’t mean the way I watch tv and movies is wrong. I’ve probably spent close to 6hrs tweaking my settings to how I LIKE to view movies.
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I’m not going to argue with you, I can fully appreciate what you and Musician are saying, but it’s a personal preference. I like things brighter and I actually also like using the soap opera effect. Just because my view is different from that of professionals and as you call it “video enthusiasts” doesn’t mean the way I watch tv and movies is wrong. I’ve probably spent close to 6hrs tweaking my settings to how I LIKE to view movies.

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The only reason I took an hour out of my day preparing my reply to you is that, like so many of us early adopters, we have spent countless hours of our time on these threads providing answers to guys about the UBD-K8500 and HDR in general and I didn't want your post thanking me for the Cheat Sheet to leave anyone thinking I had anything to do with your settings or your personal preference for a blown out picture.

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For those that are interested here is an interview with Bill Baggelaar, Senior Vice President of Technology for Colorworks and Post-Production Services at Sony Pictures discussing High Dynamic Range...

https://pro.sony.com/bbsccms/assets/..._explained.pdf

The article contains a ton of pictures comparing HDR with SDR including the one below. Although your eyes may perceive that the HDR image [top] appears less bright than the SDR image [bottom] the HDR image provides the best range of contrast and a more immersive, realistic, and three dimensional picture and -- not only that -- was the way the director intended.



Don't miss the other picture from Spiderman 2 with the main characters standing with the bridge behind them. In the HDR image the highlight detail is retained while also keeping shadow detail. This will retain distant objects like the cables in the bridge. The overall tonal detail that is retained adds to the viewer’s sense of immersion into the images.

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Please stick to the 8500. Not the place for HDR Vs. SDR
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Any tips for first time set up of the 8500? It will not be hooked up to the net, just be used for disc viewing and will be hooked up to a Sony 65" A1E OLED. I guess i am forced to go with 2 HDMI outs, one to the TV and one to the Pioneer Elite SC61 AVR since it is not a 4k AVR.

I am buying the 8500 used and it is being shipped to me.

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Any tips for first time set up of the 8500? It will not be hooked up to the net, just be used for disc viewing and will be hooked up to a Sony 65" A1E OLED. I guess i am forced to go with 2 HDMI outs, one to the TV and one to the Pioneer Elite SC61 AVR since it is not a 4k AVR.

I am buying the 8500 used and it is being shipped to me.
A long thread to wade thru huh. LOL
The best stepup tips are still in the very first post here and the Recommended Settings.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post41396073
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A long thread to wade thru huh. LOL
The best stepup tips are still in the very first post here and the Recommended Settings.
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That will work, thanks. This is my first time for 4k. Still not giving up my 13 year old Pioneer Elite DV59-AVI. That player had been bullet proof all these years.

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Anyone have problems with Blade Runner UHD on this player. Picked up my second copy after it wouldn't play the first and it gives me an unsupported disc error and the tray opens back up. I have an JVC RS600 and while that has been a process to work with UHD this time it appears to be the player only. Plays other UHD fine...Current firmware..

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