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Are you using an HDCP 2.2 (i.e. HDR capable) AVR?

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Are you using an HDCP 2.2 (i.e. HDR capable) AVR?
Yes i am. 2017 Denon S730H receiver

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Ah then that explains a lot. I'm willing to bet that this is only an issue for those of us sending the audio out via HDMI 2 and the video directly to our set via HDMI 1. In other words, those of us using a non-4K capable AVR.

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Ah then that explains a lot. I'm willing to bet that this is only an issue for those of us sending the audio out via HDMI 2 and the video directly to our set via HDMI 1. In other words, those of us using a non-4K capable AVR.

Thanks for your prompts responses.
If only life was so simple eh! As I mentioned in my earlier post I have mine hooked up using method 2 with HDMI 1 Video going to my TV and and HDMI 2 Audio going to my vintage Marantz Receiver (which is not HDCP 2.2 or 4K compliant) so you can rule that one out. You're probably glad you didn't bet on it now, ha, ha!

I have included my Wiring Diagram below and in an effort to add some additional input to assist you I have also included my Sound settings which are slightly different than @Quicksilv3r 's but could pretty much be described as standard settings like his and many guys have copied my settings on this thread over the course of time.

But here is where it got interesting. Although I thought I was on Firmware 1014, when I went to take a picture of the Software Update screen I realized that I was still on 1013 so I thought "Should I update or shouldn't I ?". Always being willing to take one for the team I bit the bullet and went for it. I am pleased to report that after updating to FW 1014 and running my series of tests I am still able to output DTS Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus, and whatever other audio formats I have tried just like the other day. Whew!

Since this issue seems to be only affecting a very small population of this thread (you and @Og92 ) it might be useful to know what receiver he is using and how he has his wired up. Also, for what it's worth, if you guys haven't done so already, you might want to post on the thread applicable to your respective Receivers to see if you can find any other owners of the UBD-K8500 who are NOT exhibiting the same issues like yourselves.

It would be nice if one of you had a friend with an UBD-K8500 that wasn't experiencing any issues so you could plug yours into his system and see what gives. Then if he had issues with your UBD-K8500 we could pretty much sum up that it is a faulty player as opposed to anything else in the chain.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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I had my 8500 hooked up last night to test something, and I was prompted to update it... I didn't do it because of the issues some are having.
Gonna wait this out and see how more folks get on.

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If only life was so simple eh! As I mentioned in my earlier post I have mine hooked up using method 2 with HDMI 1 Video going to my TV and and HDMI 2 Audio going to my vintage Marantz Receiver (which is not HDCP 2.2 or 4K compliant) so you can rule that one out. You're probably glad you didn't bet on it now, ha, ha!

I have included my Wiring Diagram below and in an effort to add some additional input to assist you I have also included my Sound settings which are slightly different than @Quicksilv3r 's but could pretty much be described as standard settings like his and many guys have copied my settings on this thread over the course of time.

But here is where it got interesting. Although I thought I was on Firmware 1014, when I went to take a picture of the Software Update screen I realized that I was still on 1013 so I thought "Should I update or shouldn't I ?". Always being willing to take one for the team I bit the bullet and went for it. I am pleased to report that after updating to FW 1014 and running my series of tests I am still able to output DTS Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus, and whatever other audio formats I have tried just like the other day. Whew!

Since this issue seems to be only affecting a very small population of this thread (you and @Og92 ) it might be useful to know what receiver he is using and how he has his wired up. Also, for what it's worth, if you guys haven't done so already, you might want to post on the thread applicable to your respective Receivers to see if you can find any other owners of the UBD-K8500 who are NOT exhibiting the same issues like yourselves.

It would be nice if one of you had a friend with an UBD-K8500 that wasn't experiencing any issues so you could plug yours into his system and see what gives. Then if he had issues with your UBD-K8500 we could pretty much sum up that it is a faulty player as opposed to anything else in the chain.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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I just looked over your settings and you have audio set to "auto." I thought we needed to set it to HDMI 2 if we want to split the lossless codecs from the video in order to send it directly to a non-HDCP 2.2 receiver. So I find it interesting that it still works that way. I'm at work, so I will try your settings out later.

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I just looked over your settings and you have audio set to "auto." I thought we needed to set it to HDMI 2 if we want to split the lossless codecs from the video in order to send it directly to a non-HDCP 2.2 receiver. So I find it interesting that it still works that way. I'm at work, so I will try your settings out later.
agreed. I've never been able to get the player to output audio via hdmi2 connection when the audio option is set to auto. i've always had to set it to hdmi2 to play audio through my soundbar (hdmi1 connected directly to TV)
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Had 1014.0 since Jan 9, no issues at all with Dolby TrueHD or Atmos on Denon AVR.
Same here - have had 1014 for months and works flawlessly on my Yammy.
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Same here - have had 1014 for months and works flawlessly on my Yammy.
Right so can we clarify, this 1014 issue is with those using hdmi out to an avr that does not support 4K pass through?

Does anyone have their Blu-ray player connected to a Samsung soundbar hw-k950 (hdmi 1 output to either of the hdmi inputs)?
If so have you updated to 1014 and had this issue of not being able to send truehd signal for processing by the soundbar?

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Thanks.

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I just looked over your settings and you have audio set to "auto." I thought we needed to set it to HDMI 2 if we want to split the lossless codecs from the video in order to send it directly to a non-HDCP 2.2 receiver. So I find it interesting that it still works that way. I'm at work, so I will try your settings out later.
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agreed. I've never been able to get the player to output audio via hdmi2 connection when the audio option is set to auto. i've always had to set it to hdmi2 to play audio through my soundbar (hdmi1 connected directly to TV)
In my case that's not the case. Based on past experiments I can set mine to Auto or HDMI 2 and obtain the same results. The manual states the following so I guess in my case everything is working the way Samsung intended.



For what it is worth, I have it hooked up using HDMI-CEC ARC on both my TV (which happens to be a Samsung) and also using ARC on my Receiver. I never really have had to mess with it ever since purchasing the UBD-K8500 but just to put every ones mind at ease as it relates to my setup I have run my battery of test with the setting set to either Auto or HDMI 2 again just now and I obtain the same results, vis-a-vis no issues playing the DTS Master Audio, Dolby Digital True HD, Dolby Digital Plus, etc.

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Right so can we clarify, this 1014 issue is with those using hdmi out to an avr that does not support 4K pass through?
Nope, see >> this post << of mine and >> this post << along with my replies above.

I am having zero issues and my AVR does not support 4K pass through.

I am sure the same could be said for many of us on this thread and was a major reason why many of us would not settle for a UBD Player that didn't provide dual HDMI outputs as we were afraid we would have to replace our perfectly good Receivers until Samsung released their specs.

I think if it was affecting everyone who does not have an AVR that supports 4K pass through we would be seeing a lot more posts than just 2 guys saying they are having issues and can't get it to send Dolby Digital True HD anymore.



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So i'm convinced that it's the player, and unfortunately i've tried resetting it, but to no avail. I don't know how to isolate the issue to see if it's my AVR. I have a PS4 pro, but can I manually set that to output 1080 so I can run it through the receiver and see if the Dolby THD works? I'm open to any other ideas on troubleshooting.

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I have just updated to firmware 1014. I can confirm I still get Atmos with both trueHD and DD+ codecs on blu ray discs. Still getting Atmos with DD+ for network and usb storage.

Don't think I have ever managed to get this player to be able to decode a TrueHD codec from usb/storage media - is that the same for everyone or does it have to be i a specific file type?

My set up is bluray hdmi 1 out to soundbar (samsung hw-k950) with ARC to samsung TV. Never had issues with this set up. Thankfully still the case.

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I have just updated to firmware 1014. I can confirm I still get Atmos with both trueHD and DD+ codecs on blu ray discs. Still getting Atmos with DD+ for network and usb storage.

Don't think I have ever managed to get this player to be able to decode a TrueHD codec from usb/storage media - is that the same for everyone or does it have to be i a specific file type?

My set up is bluray hdmi 1 out to soundbar (samsung hw-k950) with ARC to samsung TV. Never had issues with this set up. Thankfully still the case.
You won't have TrueHD or DTSHD with usb files. It's an anti piracy feature. Stupid, as I have legitimately made copies of my physical blurays and can't use USB or network to get full HD sound.

All companies do it too. So you can't get an oppo or a Sony in hopes that it will work.

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To close the book on this, my replacement copy of Watchmen from 3d-bluray works just fine.
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So i'm convinced that it's the player, and unfortunately i've tried resetting it, but to no avail. I don't know how to isolate the issue to see if it's my AVR. I have a PS4 pro, but can I manually set that to output 1080 so I can run it through the receiver and see if the Dolby THD works? I'm open to any other ideas on troubleshooting.
I don't own a PS4 Pro but a search on the web for PS4 Pro setting images makes it look like you can...



I'd also suggest you turn off HDR since your AVR doesn't support it.

But you might want to take a look at the following articles which makes it appear like if you updated your PS4 Pro with the patch released back in December 2016 you may (or may not) run into difficulties as it appears Sony removed the ability to use HDMI 1.4...

PS4 Pro patch cuts 4K gaming on old 4K HDMI 1.4 displays

PS4 Pro’s 4K Support Reportedly Limited on HDMI 1.4 Displays

On the other hand that might mean you can still play 1080p content and pass it through your HDMI 1.4 receiver. I have no idea so maybe the members over on the following thread might be the better place to post your question if you run into difficulties...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/142-pl...rs-thread.html

I guess you or someone you know doesn't have any other devices laying around that output Dolby Digital True HD like an old Blu-ray Player?
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Hello, I just purchase the 85C at Costco. Am having a problem playing content from my external hard drive. The rewind function works. However, the pic can take up to few minutes to start playing again from that point. Is that a normal operation? Forward function works great. Thank you in advanced and my apologies if the issue came up in the past and has been already answered as I could not find it doing search on this thread.
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My used K85 arrived today from fleeBay. I had been monitoring this thread with interest since I ordered it. Delayed delivery due to snow storms. Anyhow It was not on 1014. Don't even know what version it was as I didn't know how to check that (no manual). Anyhow I kept telling not to update since i did not want these issues. I was having an issue with HDR10 going away and I figured I confused things plugging in cables and trying various devices on various ports of the AVR and TV and the HDR capable switch that also arrived today (Craptastic 4k X1 is arriving tomorrow). I turned off the player and back on and it auto updated. Not sure if I hit the ok at the wrong time or whatever, but I recall it saying updating when I turned it back on. I was a little panicked.

I am getting DDTHD sent to my AVR (a olden Denon 1909) just fine through port 2. The only difference I see is that prior to the update I had it set to auto and had tried both settings (actually all 3 since I wanted to see what could pass through the TV to the AVR over optical). Auto was working fine before the update and now I have to force it to port 2. I reset both the AVR and player, tried again and auto still not working. Not a big deal. But I do have DDTHD playing now (Baby Driver - my only currently open disc and one I found on fleeBay for cheep) in 7.1. Popped in Iron Man since Pee...had issues with that one (I assume it was plain BD rather than the imported 4k set?). DDTHD 5.1 worked just fine also.

Since the update HDR10 is sticking and before I was not getting that on the menus. I'm new to all this so I haven't experienced all the updates. Another difference is that before when I would go to the home menu, make adjustments then go back to the disc it would have 1-2 audio dropouts right after. I was a little worried about that since I've had odd issues with DDTHD and Samsung players in the past (I'm the resident expert on the now olden UP5000 combo BD/HD player). Since the update I haven't noticed that anomaly.

Pretty amazing. Prior to the player arriving I only had streaming in 4k and watched some content in both HDR and DolbyVision over the weekend. I must say that through BD it looks much better. I have a LG 970 on order with Crutchfield and it is due to arrive Thursday, just in time for the weekend. Can't wait to see DolbyVision on disc. I only have one title that has it, but there is a video store down the street that carries all the movies, so that will be fun.

I also have two brand new k85s in storage that I recently picked up since this one was so delayed and I thought that it might not work since it was so deeply discounted. Operationally it's just fine, just a bit marked up on the top which you can't seen in my cabinet anyway. Also it did not come with the original remote, which I understand is probably a blessing. I use a Harmony anyway, so don't really care about that.

I decided I wanted to spend the big bucks on a player that is DolbyVision capable since I'm a completest.

I will let you all know if it craps out after a complete restart, but I sorta already did that and I can't recreate the issues Pee...had or is having. It might just be a combination of settings or cables? Or just an unlucky bug/bad interaction/incompatibility with the AVR?? My particular AVR does not support DD+ over optical so I'm kinda cursing it now having to do the split HDMI and/or the HDMI to the TV and input to the AVR with optical. A new AVR is possibly in the works. I had no idea that the great deal I got on a 4k TV has turned into a multiple $1,000 'nuther hobby ;-)
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So as requested I have tried multiple discs with all of the formats I am aware of; DDTHD both 5.1 and 7.1, DTS-HD MA in 5.1 and 7.1, DTS HD HR, DTS ES Discrete, Dolby EX and DD+. Finding a BD in my collection with DD+ proved difficult until I consulted the database. There are several semi-recent Disney (Pixar) flicks (I have Monsters University and Brave and just noticed that Monsters Inc. is another, got 2 versions of that one, why I don't know, that I found before University) that have French 7.1 DD+ soundtracks.

I found that while playing these in the k85 that it does not pass the DD+ signal through. I verified that they work in my Yammy player and I know there are no issues with DD+ on my AVR other than with optical which is not officially supported on that old of an AVR (on now in French 7.1 DD+). All the other formats seem to be working. I will also try some Atmos discs and see what happens. I don't have an Atmos and DTS:X capable AVR so I hope that the core lossless will get passed without issue.

I'm wondering if folks are getting Atmos, DDTHD and DD+ confused? There does seem to be an issue with DD+ and in the meantime until Sammy issues another update (and of course breaks other things) you will need to use PCM and have the player decode for you. I verified this and the k85 is doing it properly. I only have discs with 7.1 soundtracks so I can't verify that a 5.1 DD+ disc will correctly get sent to the AVR in only 5ch instead of 7ch. In the past this was lost on Sammy with some players outputting 7.1 PCM even if the disc was only 5.1. This of course messed up +PLII and Neo decoding since the AVR just plays the blank channels.

My guess is that when sending audio to a Atmos soundbar that it might be expecting DD+ since that is the "lossy" version of Atmos. Just a guess I've never messed with those but reasonable that full Atmos bis-stream capable ones would exist out there.

I don't think this will be a big deal unless you are playing the handful (at least according to the database) of BDs that have any DD+ capability. French Canadians would be the most affected by this is my guess. Showing 50 total worldwide and after the US filter only 13 here in the states.

For those that are having the DDTHD issue you might want to mention your model of AVR since some have the issue and others do not. This could also be the case of silent bad code that was updated and if you were an early adopter you got the bad code (or the update did not go as planned) and is causing this.

Just for reference I have mine set to; Bitstream (Unprocessed), PCM Down...off, DRC auto, Downmix mode Surround Compatible, DTS Neo:6 Mode Cinema, and of course audio output port 2. I noticed this is way different than most of you are running them. I have these set to ensure that 2-channel discs and soundtracks act the way I expect them to. Most probably don't matter in most circumstances but they might trigger different results.

Just popped in Making Jay Pt.2 and Atmos coming out 7.1 DDTHD as expected. Don't have many Atmos discs in my collection.

BTW - in the early days Samsung did not provide DDTHD in anything other than 2ch on the 5k combo player since multi-channel was not mandatory with the spec. Later they decided to support it for both bitstream and internal decode. The internal decode works mostly fine other than the issue I mention above with 5.1 vrs. 7.1. Odd thing though when bit streaming 7.1 animated and high action movies there are tons of audio drops and you are better off using the internal decode. This goes contrary to what would logically happen since the player needs to do more to decode and send out PCM than to just pipe the stream to the AVR (or other device). I suspect that Sammy has issues in their core Dolby code that is affecting both DDTH and DD+. These could be holdovers from years of bad code before? Other issues on Sammy players are DTS-HD MA bit streamed audio dropping unless you are set to 24fps. Anther odd thing.

I'm interested in others results. Not a bad player really. The DD+ issue is troublesome but not a show-stopper. Now if it was an issue with DDTHD as others are reporting I would not be too happy about that.

I've never thought about this, but they might be sending both the DDTHD and DD+ streams (actually they are sort of since the core DD is there). The might have introduced a code change that trips up some AVRs and they are down converting to 2ch. Would be interesting to know if the decode is being reported as DDTHD 2ch or something else. I have seen AVRs that have bugs and will report DDTHD even though the input is really PCM and or something else since that was the last played and is compensates for something it is seeing (or not seeing) and dumping down to 2-ch.

Getting al this reported, sorted out an a fix issues is going to be difficult. Sammy has a reputation of slow updates, abandoning older players once newer ones are released etc. I wondered why there are so many out on the market used and refurbished. Maybe just sheer volume since they were the first and it's been out a while. I also suspect that many folks are upgrading due to the lack of DolbyVision support.
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If you want us to run the same test as you it would help if you provided us with a link to the database you used to determine what discs each of us might own that are encoded with DD+. Here they are...

Blu-ray.com - 50 Movies encoded with Dolby Digital Plus

I own none of those.

As you have read most of us, in addition to Dolby TrueHD, are having no problems sending DD+ from our UBD-K8500 either as evidenced by the number of posts from owners saying they have installed 1014 and are having no issues... countered by the lack of posts from subscribers to this thread saying they are. I think the grand total is now up to 2, you and @PeeJHooK .

A simpler test (since most of us don't own any of the DD+ discs linked to above) before concluding that the UBD-K8500 can't pass DD+ is to use something like the built-in Netflix app who encodes their content in Dolby Digital Plus. Here is a picture of my AVR while playing some of their content from the UBD-K8500. As you can see "Dolby Digital +" lights up on my Marantz...
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@mr.kludge ,

If you want us to run the same test as you it would help if you provided us with a link to the database you used to determine what discs each of us might own that are encoded with DD+. Here they are...

Blu-ray.com - 50 Movies encoded with Dolby Digital Plus

I own none of those.

As you have read most of us, in addition to Dolby TrueHD, are having no problems sending DD+ from our UBD-K8500 either as evidenced by the number of posts from owners saying they have installed 1014 and are having no issues... countered by the lack of posts from subscribers to this thread saying they are. I think the grand total is now up to 2, you and @PeeJHooK .

A simpler test (since most of us don't own any of the DD+ discs linked to above) before concluding that the UBD-K8500 can't pass DD+ is to use something like the built-in Netflix app who encodes their content in Dolby Digital Plus. Here is a picture of my AVR while playing some of their content from the UBD-K8500. As you can see "Dolby Digital +" lights up on my Marantz...
Used same database as you. There used to be a HD-DVD database and one for BD also, but I could not find it.

I haven't set mine up for Netflix yet, but when I do I will see what my results are. I don't think this is a problem with the player not being able to pass DD+ it's an issue with it passing DD+ soundtracks from disc over bitstream. My guess is that my test will work, at least I hope it does since my only option for full support of Netflix in my configuration is through the k85. All my other options are either relegated to plain vanilla DD5.1 (although at a slightly better bitrate) or I have full DD+ and no 4k and HDR (like through my old Roku, which is currently connected to the TV rather than the AVR as I'm awaiting yet another HDMI switch for some of my HDMI 1.3 sources).

I have contemplated either not going to the X1 4k box and/or just connecting it directly to the AVR to get DD+ and hoping I can dumb down to 1080p since AQ is as much or more of an issue for me. But that is another topic all together. Thinking about it that would not work since it requires HDCP 2.2 and that ain't gonna fly as they say. Sigh. I really don't want to replace my trusty 1909, it's been a great AVR and pretty much all I need, until now.....most upscaled content from the DVR looks pretty fantastic and only NF, OnDemand Olympics and soon some limited other OnDemad content will be on 4k anyhow and on the other hand only NF is in DD+, so.....got some choices to make.

Speaking of streaming. Does the NF app on the k85 support 4k and HDR? My TV one does and also the app in the Craptastic X14k boxes do as well as my Roku Streaming stick which I haven't hooked up yet.
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Speaking of streaming. Does the NF app on the k85 support 4k and HDR? My TV one does and also the app in the Craptastic X14k boxes do as well as my Roku Streaming stick which I haven't hooked up yet.
Netflix on my 8500 passes 4K UHD HDR!! Got to have proper bandwidth in your internet to get it..
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Yup mine does also. Just got it set up. I have GigE so no issue there. No DolbyVision of course. And I have verified no DD+ on streaming or on disc. So this machine is messed up. I can't go back on firmware and not sure I would want to anyway. It's a shame. Hopefully the App on the LG is better. Will know Sometime between Thursday and the weekend when it comes and I have time to set it up. However there is a workaround by setting to PCM, not ideal but workable.

Got the 4k DVR all sorted as well. Haven't tried NF on it yet. So far just getting the Harmony and everything else reprogramed. I guess I am going to need to order up the 5 port HRD switch rather than the 3 port as I'm going to be a port short (DVR, Sammy, LG and Roku Streaming stick). I might opt to take the stick back since my old Roku will work fine and I can plug it into one of the ports on the 1.3 capable switch that is supposed to be there Thursday. No 4k but at least it has DD+ (but not now since it is connected to the TV which is hooked to the AVR via fiber).

Has anyone here called Samsung to complain and get status on the next firmware update? This is likely what is affecting many of you. When I get some time I will call and bug them.

I have way too many players. I need to take a pic and share just so all of you can get a laugh. And this is only a sampling of what I have in the stack; from top to bottom; 4k DVR, Sammy k85, Yammy A1010, Tosh A35 HD-DVD, Sammy 5k duo player, JVC D-VHS 5u (one of many I have).

Why so many you ask? They each have their purpose; k85=UHD for now until Thursday when the LG comes, Yammy for SACD and DVD-Audio, a35 for HD-DVD of course and the Sammy duo due to it's superior image quality with BD, HD and DVD upscaling, the DVR and VHS deck should be self explanatory. Crazy thing is some of the best looking content I have is on 1080i Dtheater D-VHS. I watched a little Alien and a coupe others right after I got my TV and was amazed how good it looked. Far superior looking to most BDs. Of course UHD with HDR and DolbyVision is much more vibrant and detailed but still...

Oh BTW forgot to mention that Auto for the sound output is working again so my have been a power up order issue. Defaults with the Harmony made it work. Or maybe it decides to work when you set it to auto and it has been on port 2.

Just did some fiddling. Any kind of Dolby other than 2ch is not outputting out of port 2 when set split with NF or any DD+ source. I switched to port 1 and selected my optical in on the TV input and I'm getting 5.1 dolby down-converted from the DD+. I can only assume that this is a failure in the code to recognize what the AVR is capable of and it is reverting to 2ch PCM. Yup consulted the AVR and it's getting PCM from the player. What in the world is going on here? What is odd is that when I select 5.1 DD tracks from discs it seems to work fine afaIcR. So this must just be with DD. I can't seem to find any plain vanilla 5.1 DD shows on Netflix. Most seem to be in DD+ and most of my other streaming sources are 2ch like Youtube etc. Ah I see Amazon and VuDu but those are usually DD+ also? Good news there. Just tried a few 5.1 and 2-ch Dolby movies I own on VuDu and they work fine so this is just a problem with DD+. I own Prometheus that is in 7.1 and it's coming out as 2ch PCM.
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Yup mine does also. Just got it set up. I have GigE so no issue there. No DolbyVision of course. And I have verified no DD+ on streaming or on disc. So this machine is messed up. I can't go back on firmware and not sure I would want to anyway. It's a shame. Hopefully the App on the LG is better. Will know Sometime between Thursday and the weekend when it comes and I have time to set it up. However there is a workaround by setting to PCM, not ideal but workable.

Got the 4k DVR all sorted as well. Haven't tried NF on it yet. So far just getting the Harmony and everything else reprogramed. I guess I am going to need to order up the 5 port HRD switch rather than the 3 port as I'm going to be a port short (DVR, Sammy, LG and Roku Streaming stick). I might opt to take the stick back since my old Roku will work fine and I can plug it into one of the ports on the 1.3 capable switch that is supposed to be there Thursday. No 4k but at least it has DD+ (but not now since it is connected to the TV which is hooked to the AVR via fiber).

Has anyone here called Samsung to complain and get status on the next firmware update? This is likely what is affecting many of you. When I get some time I will call and bug them.

I have way too many players. I need to take a pic and share just so all of you can get a laugh. And this is only a sampling of what I have in the stack; from top to bottom; 4k DVR, Sammy k85, Yammy A1010, Tosh A35 HD-DVD, Sammy 5k duo player, JVC D-VHS 5u (one of many I have).

Why so many you ask? They each have their purpose; k85=UHD for now until Thursday when the LG comes, Yammy for SACD and DVD-Audio, a35 for HD-DVD of course and the Sammy duo due to it's superior image quality with BD, HD and DVD upscaling, the DVR and VHS deck should be self explanatory. Crazy thing is some of the best looking content I have is on 1080i Dtheater D-VHS. I watched a little Alien and a coupe others right after I got my TV and was amazed how good it looked. Far superior looking to most BDs. Of course UHD with HDR and DolbyVision is much more vibrant and detailed but still...

Oh BTW forgot to mention that Auto for the sound output is working again so my have been a power up order issue. Defaults with the Harmony made it work. Or maybe it decides to work when you set it to auto and it has been on port 2.

Just did some fiddling. Any kind of Dolby other than 2ch is not outputting out of port 2 when set split with NF or any DD+ source. I switched to port 1 and selected my optical in on the TV input and I'm getting 5.1 dolby down-converted from the DD+. I can only assume that this is a failure in the code to recognize what the AVR is capable of and it is reverting to 2ch PCM. Yup consulted the AVR and it's getting PCM from the player. What in the world is going on here? What is odd is that when I select 5.1 DD tracks from discs it seems to work fine afaIcR. So this must just be with DD. I can't seem to find any plain vanilla 5.1 DD shows on Netflix. Most seem to be in DD+ and most of my other streaming sources are 2ch like Youtube etc. Ah I see Amazon and VuDu but those are usually DD+ also? Good news there. Just tried a few 5.1 and 2-ch Dolby movies I own on VuDu and they work fine so this is just a problem with DD+. I own Prometheus that is in 7.1 and it's coming out as 2ch PCM.
I can confirm I am having the exact same issue (I believe I was the one to originally report this issue a few pages back). However, anything I play outside of native stereo is converted to 2ch PCM whether it be DD+ Truehd or dts. This is only while playing through HDMI 2. HDMI 1 works flawlessly but of course that is no use to me as my receiver does not support HDR (Pioneer SC-87)
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Okay @mr.kludge , I happen to have a few of those titles from the list posted by Mr. @Musician , and everything is working as expected for me on 1014 (I had my player since Feb. 2016); I tried the Cars 3 UHD disk and was able to switch between Atmos and DD+ using Auto or HDMI 2 setting, I even tried the single HDMI configuration and it worked fine. Next, I tried the MU Blu-ray, and everything also worked as expected in the single HDMI configuration, as well as method 2 when selecting Auto. I wasn't able to test the HDMI 2 setting, as the player started acting a little flaky, so I re-connected my Oppo to make sure everything was still working as expected there.

It sounds like you might consider the Oppo 203, as it supports UHD disks, SACD and DVD-Audio, and up-converts DVDs better than anything I've ever seen
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This is all so odd. Would those of you having issues post what AVR/Switcher etc. you may be using. One thing I have not tried is going direct to the TV since my switcher came the same day. Given I am having lockup issues with it now that the 4k DVR is also connected I'm thinking it might be cables or something odd with the switcher. However the TV reports that it is getting DD+ from the DVR when streaming NF. I think I recall it reporting DD+ also when I was feeding that content to the TV with the single cable mode. I do notice that the TV locks into stereo when piping the audio out port 2. I don't think that could have an impact since I have the HDP input selected with HDMI and my fiber is on the TV/Cable input with no HDMI assigned. All other devices behave normally so this has to either be a bug in Sammy code, a bad cable or maybe my switch. I will give that a whirl tonight when I get home and see if going direct makes a difference.

Also thanks for the nod to Oppo. I was thinking of sourcing a "new to me" more capable AVR but HDMI 2.1 and eARC is on the horizon so not sure now is a great time. I'm pretty much convinced I need to return the LG that will arrive tomorrow and use the credit toward the Oppo. With it's input coupled with my switch it will give me everything I need and my cake to eat to.

That would mean I have at least 8 HDP and UHD players to liquidate; 6 Sammy Duos, a Yammy A1010, Sammy k85. I need to keep a couple Duos and parts just because and one I would not sell to anyone as it is bullet proof, but has some oddities. I might recoup enough to pay for the Oppo. The Yammy is a very nice player, but olden at this point. Loads up discs way faster than the old 5ks but still dirt slow compared to event the cheapest players on the market now.
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I'm also going to do a factory reset and attempt to download the old code from the Sammy site and brute force a update. In the past these updates have been inclusive of other changes and replaces the entire code. I have read reports of folks not being able to go back however. I assume I will have to do either a USB or disc downgrade. Need to grab the file before it changes on the website though I bet it says it is the old but is actually the new file. Has anyone archived the firmware update filed over the years for this beast?

If I can't get this sorted it's going to go back to where it came from or sold on eBay.
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I feel for you guys. Although @Og92 was the first to report this on AVS Forum you all seem to have slight variations of the same bug as shown in the table I have prepared below...



Since the beginning of time guys have asked for a means to rollback Samsung firmware and no can do! As far as going through your TV, no TV currently will pass lossless (DD True HD or DTS Master Audio) and relatively few will pass DD+ over ARC so the best you are probably going to get is DD 5.1 and lossy DTS.

In closing if you do a little reading on this thread including some of the links included in @Og92 's research you will see that it also affects other Receivers and Soundbars and has been reported as a bug as far back as 2017 and Firmware 1013 (but it didn't effect anyone on this thread apparently until Firmware 1014).
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I prepare a spreadsheet, save it as an image file, write a novel that rivals War and Peace while also mentioning "no can do" on rolling back the firmware and it took you 3 minutes to type 5 words!!!


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