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So Salt finally came in the mail, my first UHD Blu-ray! Still waiting on the rest of the discs I ordered to arrive...

I have a 65JS8500, could someone please tell me the best settings to use for 4K? I currently use the ones from CNET: http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussio...ture-settings/

I also have HDMI UHD Color set to ON. Is this the best setting?

I also have not touched any of the settings in K8500 itself and have BD Wise set to off.
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Once again, the 636 is NOT Hdmi 2.0a compatible. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 are NOT the same thing. HDMI 2.0a determines how much and what kind of data can be sent. HDCP 2.2 is copy protection and is just a handshake to make sure you're not recording content you shouldn't be.

Good god why has the HDMI consortium done this to us? They've made it way more confusing than it needs to be. But hey, copyright enforcement over commerce, right?
I just did a google search to see if my receiver supports hdmi 2.0a. It does. The website is AV receiver reviews. i just typed the question does the onkyo tx-nr545 have hdmi 2.0a and that site came up. Check yours. i know 2.0a and 2.2 is different but I think they go hand in hand. Not sure about that but i think so.
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Ok. I am learning something new. So you have to have HDMI 2.0a to transmit full 4k HDR? Does this mean the receiver cannot transmit HDR? I tell you what if it can't the picture looks darn pretty without it. i am satisfied.
You can transmit 4K but not HDR. The x4x Onkyo receivers support 2.0a I believe.

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I just did a google search to see if my receiver supports hdmi 2.0a. It does. The website is AV receiver reviews. i just typed the question does the onkyo tx-nr545 have hdmi 2.0a and that site came up. Check yours. i know 2.0a and 2.2 is different but I think they go hand in hand. Not sure about that but i think so.
I was referring to the 636 not the 545. 636 is only 2.0. In the post you quoted I clearly said the 636 is not 2.0a.

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So Salt finally came in the mail, my first UHD Blu-ray! Still waiting on the rest of the discs I ordered to arrive...

I have a 65JS8500, could someone please tell me the best settings to use for 4K? I currently use the ones from CNET: http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussio...ture-settings/

I also have HDMI UHD Color set to ON. Is this the best setting?

I also have not touched any of the settings in K8500 itself and have BD Wise set to off.
I have the same tv, id keep it OFF. Especially after the 1003 update. Plug and play, dont over think it!
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I have the same tv, id keep it OFF. Especially after the 1003 update. Plug and play, dont over think it!
I have the same TV and I get Banding with it off so....

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I have the same tv, id keep it OFF. Especially after the 1003 update. Plug and play, dont over think it!
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I have the same TV and I get Banding with it off so....
On my js9500 it makes no difference, banding with both. The difference is that with uhd color on the picture is a little darker and the colors less vibrant so it helps "hide" the banding, but it's still there.
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Hi folks,

Sorry if this has been covered by I am noticing something strange. When I first got the player we watched the martian in 4k. I thought it looked good no complaints. The next day my kids cartoons on the 78js9500 were so bright they were blinding. I checked the TV settings and noticed the backlight had switched from my default 11 to 20 and the contrast was at 100. Weird. Switched stuff back, went to watch a blu ray, everything fine, no change in settings. Put a UHD disk in and sure enough, my TV changed to scorch mode. Any ideas? I've been on the phone with Samsung all week (a whole other story, not pleased). They wanted to blame everything from the calibration I had SIX MONTHS AGO to my receiver etc. Finally they admitted something was wrong but can't tell me what. I can repeat the issue, every 4k blu ray changes the TV picture settings.

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On my js9500 it makes no difference, banding with both. The difference is that with uhd color on the picture is a little darker and the colors less vibrant so it helps "hide" the banding, but it's still there.
Don't know what to tell you, the banding isn't there with UHD Color On for me, there's nothing "hidden" it's just not there.

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Don't know what to tell you, the banding isn't there with UHD Color On for me, there's nothing "hidden" it's just not there.
Are you on the 1443 firmware?

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I have the same tv, id keep it OFF. Especially after the 1003 update. Plug and play, dont over think it!
I have the same TV and I get Banding with it off so....
i get it on or off..
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On my js9500 it makes no difference, banding with both. The difference is that with uhd color on the picture is a little darker and the colors less vibrant so it helps "hide" the banding, but it's still there.

Tried turning mine on but i lost audio. Video signal was still fine. What setting did i miss turning on/off?

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If you turn on deep color on the K8500, does it then become overdone? Just wondering if the samsung is not send WCG with it off, but only when it's on.
I have deep color turned on on the K8500 and to me the color does not seem overdone.
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Yes.
Likely the reason I have yet to get the update don't know if any other js9500 owners. I see pretty much the same thing ray is. Hopefully that update fixes it.

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I have deep color turned on on the K8500 and to me the color does not seem overdone.
I get banding with deep color on even with UHD color on. Deep color off and UHD color on, no banding.

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I have UHD HDMI color on with my tv, and the only time I saw banding in The Martian was the first scenic view of the landscape, any others I didnt see anymore.
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Likely the reason I have yet to get the update don't know if any other js9500 owners. I see pretty much the same thing ray is. Hopefully that update fixes it.
Are you saying they haven't pushed it to the 9500s yet?

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What receiver brand has hdmi 2.0a? Maybe onkyo will do a firmware update
Marantz 8802a for one.
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Are you saying they haven't pushed it to the 9500s yet?
I think I saw maybe one owner that got it other than that no one else.

The only website that has the firmware is the uk site, which is incompatible with NA sets.

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Hi folks,

Sorry if this has been covered by I am noticing something strange. When I first got the player we watched the martian in 4k. I thought it looked good no complaints. The next day my kids cartoons on the 78js9500 were so bright they were blinding. I checked the TV settings and noticed the backlight had switched from my default 11 to 20 and the contrast was at 100. Weird. Switched stuff back, went to watch a blu ray, everything fine, no change in settings. Put a UHD disk in and sure enough, my TV changed to scorch mode. Any ideas? I've been on the phone with Samsung all week (a whole other story, not pleased). They wanted to blame everything from the calibration I had SIX MONTHS AGO to my receiver etc. Finally they admitted something was wrong but can't tell me what. I can repeat the issue, every 4k blu ray changes the TV picture settings.

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Normal behavior as you watched HDR the brightness is increased to 100 and backlight to 20 - but once you get back to normal content it should set back to where you were previously automatically.
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Are we able to mess with the back light on the tv with hdr content with this bluray player or is it at max by default?. Samsung js8500 owner
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Are we able to mess with the back light on the tv with hdr content with this bluray player or is it at max by default?. Samsung js8500 owner
Max by default. HDR means "we set things for you" - you cant change a thing.
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Max by default. HDR means "we set things for you" - you cant change a thing.
it maxes it at the beginning but is adjustable during playback. if you restart or change movies, you'll have to adjust it again, but so far in all my testing, it sticks if you lower it.
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I played my first UHD disk today, The Martian, and my experience playing it into my JS9000 TV is so different from this, it makes me wonder what is going on. I have the main HDMI output connected through my AVR to the TV. When displaying the UHD player's output, the TV's picture controls are inaccessible, but the K8500 has it's own picture controls. There is no Backlight control, Contrast defaults to 0 and can be set to a small positive or negative value. Brightness, Color, etc. default to 0, but can all be set.
are you 100% positive that your AVR is HDMI 2.0a capable? some of them that advertise this havent gotten their update for it yet. i think theres less than 5 that actually are capable, and 3 of them are denons i think.
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I think I have an answer about the black crush that I've been seeing.


This player chooses on what it outputs regarding 0-255 or 16-235 in YCbCr mode. Yes it outputs 0-255 in YCbCr. I have been able to repeat the problem. I do not know how this works with HDR, or if it is a problem with HDR, but it seems to be plaguing my 1.4 [email protected] 8bit SDR JVC projector.
I first noticed the problem when watching Netflix on the player and blacks were smashed. I also noticed that the menu had crushed blacks. I double checked the color format, it was set to YCbCr, my JVC was set to Standard.
I switched the player to RGB (Standard) and the black crush was resolved while the absolute blacks were still black. I then switched it back to YCbCr and the picture remained the same. I thought that was odd.

I started an UHD disc, the loading menu was... loading... and then when I was prompted to resume (yes or no) my screen flicked black for a second and the black crush came rushing back in. It seems the disc demands 0-255 over YCbCr.

I went back to the player's settings and tried the cycle again, and the same thing repeated. Then I decided to run the settings on the player at RGB (Standard) while playing a disc. The black crush was gone and a "proper" 16-235 mode was present.

So at this point I have two choices for a proper gamma.
1. Run the player's settings at RGB (limited) with the projector in Standard input.
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2. Run the player's setting at YCbCr with the projector in "Enhanced" input.

One member here said that 0-255 was not a thing over YCbCr and my projector must be interpolating, but clearly 0-255 is being sent over YCbCr. So why is this happening, and why don't I see anyone else talking about this?
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are you 100% positive that your AVR is HDMI 2.0a capable?
Pretty sure. It's a Pioneer VSX-90, and early last fall I installed an update which the notes on Pioneer's website said was for HDMI 2.0a (and other purposes).

There is some wrong information in my post above that is due to my TV having a fit and refusing to show me the Picture control menu. After turning the TV off and back on, I can see the TVs controls now while playing my UHD disc, and the TV's contrast and brightness controls are indeed maxed out. But it is also true that the K8500 has picture controls as I described them.

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I think I have an answer about the black crush that I've been seeing.


This player chooses on what it outputs regarding 0-255 or 16-235 in YCbCr mode. Yes it outputs 0-255 in YCbCr. I have been able to repeat the problem. I do not know how this works with HDR, or if it is a problem with HDR, but it seems to be plaguing my 1.4 [email protected] 8bit SDR JVC projector.
I first noticed the problem when watching Netflix on the player and blacks were smashed. I also noticed that the menu had crushed blacks. I double checked the color format, it was set to YCbCr, my JVC was set to Standard.
I switched the player to RGB (Standard) and the black crush was resolved while the absolute blacks were still black. I then switched it back to YCbCr and the picture remained the same. I thought that was odd.

I started an UHD disc, the loading menu was... loading... and then when I was prompted to resume (yes or no) my screen flicked black for a second and the black crush came rushing back in. It seems the disc demands 0-255 over YCbCr.

I went back to the player's settings and tried the cycle again, and the same thing repeated. Then I decided to run the settings on the player at RGB (Standard) while playing a disc. The black crush was gone and a "proper" 16-235 mode was present.

So at this point I have two choices for a proper gamma.
1. Run the player's settings at RGB (limited) with the projector in Standard input.
or
2. Run the player's setting at YCbCr with the projector in "Enhanced" input.

One member here said that 0-255 was not a thing over YCbCr and my projector must be interpolating, but clearly 0-255 is being sent over YCbCr. So why is this happening, and why don't I see anyone else talking about this?
Am I missing something? If sounds like your projector only supports standard RGB, so why are you trying to run something other than that?
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Someone please correct me if my understanding of some post here are wrong. Right now I am only interested in Dolby Atmos/Dts X and not planning to get a UHD display any time soon. I currently have an Epson 5030 projector and Panasonic plasma tv, and will be waiting for an affordable UHD projector and Oled UHD tv before I consider replacing either. Right now I am planning on getting a Denon 6200 receiver so I can have Atmos/DTS X.
My understanding is that if I also buy the Samsung UBD-8500 and play a UHD disc through the Denon receiver, that I would be able to see a 1080p picture on my projector and that I would not need the HD Fury integral? I was not interested in getting a UHD player until I read that some studios were only going to offer immersive audio on their UHD disc.

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Are you saying they haven't pushed it to the 9500s yet?

So could it be that JS9500 UHD Color Off vs JS8500 UHD Color On debate stems from firmware version each is currently running?
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